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deva path could do that,destroy konoha with one move. Nagato is much more powerful than deva.
Hey that's a super cool jutsu, that forced Nagato to pump all of his chakra into one path and it lost its abilities for some time? It doesn't take a genius to figure out what that means. And guess what if you had actually spent any attention reading the scan I posted, CST is by far inferior, in terms of size CST is but a flea on the mammoth of Hashirama's beast level.
I'd love to see hashitama take 20CST's,each more powerful than a village buster,20CT's,20 gedo mazos,each capable of easily restraining several bijuus at once with demonic chakra chains,as well as other creatures all at the same time,while having 20 pretas suck his moukton chakra clean
I enjoy where you let me know I'm right by completely ignoring the parts where Nagato decreased his life span and had to shut down all of his paths to even use 1 CT, if 20 Nagato use it all of them will be extremely weak. One slash from Madara's susano'o blades completely dwarfs CT, and he was throwing around dozens of them in the face of Hashirama, Hashirama laughs in the face of 20 CT, or 20 gedo mazo which you think will somehow do something despite the fact the fodder alliance wasn't getting stomped by it , and it actually had all of the jinchuriki then.
Meanwhile after Hashirama casually slam dunks 20 CTs back into the ground he wipes out all of the weakened Nagato with ease, since their strongest attack that forces them to charge all of their chakra into one path, shut down the others, and decrease his lifespan is literally equal to a single sword slash that Hashirama fought back dozens of. I don't think you realise the ease of swinging a sword but it's cool, Nagato fans going to this length would never admit Madara could solo him by swinging a sword
once let alone Hashi who stomped Madara with 100% Kurama.
I agree that Hashirama is two tiers above Nagato but that advantage is offset when Hashirama has to fight 20 of those same opponents. If Hashirama is that good, why did he say that Itachi is a better shinobi than him? The same Itachi that needed Naruto and Bee's help to beat Nagato.
Maybe if he said he could solo 50 Itachi's with little difficulty 100% canon it wouldn't make his little brother who's standing there listening very happy. Not everything someone says in the manga is about battle standpoint you know.
You want scans than sure but you have to multiply each I give you by 20.
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This CT made all the mountains in the background look like tiny ants.
You heavily exaggerate its size even though you posted the scan right with it. Anyway I'll counter that scan, the panel that KN8 broke out of it you could see the curvature of CT, what part of it being the 8 tails, and 50% of Kurama's chakra is that hard to understand? 100% Kurama could probably swat Nagato and he would die instantly, but anyway. Here's the scan:
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Note how small the CT is when compared to an inferior Kurama, how would that possibly make the mountains look like ants if KN8 was even slightly comparable in size? Hashirama's jutsu:
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Completely dwarfs that and makes it laughable. Now I already posted the scans so surely you can't think Kurama is the size of mountains when people were standing on it, Madara was the size of its eye etc. And despite the fact
casual sword slashes were tearing dozens of mountains in half with ease you continue to persist even 30 Chibaku Tensei will scratch Hashirama's defense? Note in the above panel how defenseless Deva was when holding up CT too, how these Nagato will hope to survive in Hashirama's territory where it's possible to easily remap the entire battlefield bewilders me.
Like to remind you now how easy it is to swing a sword, it's a fodder technique, it's not like Chibaku Tensei where you have to put all your chakra into a single path and all that jazz yet Hashirama still countered all of the sword slashes with ease, his hands weren't much smaller than Kurama's and shinsuusenju's were on another level. 20 CT are nothing, it doesn't matter how ridiculous it might sound no matter how much you were brought up believing specific stuff in the manga when all the evidence say otherwise, even Kishi agrees with me.
He's the god of shinobi for a good reason, the last chapters have legitimately proven it but it's cool I understand how ridiculous it might sound for Hashirama to easily solo 20 Nagato who's pretty strong himself but he's on another tier. I love how the manga canon actually 100% proves this seemingly ridiculous notion , if only people here could pay attention to scans and comprehend what is said in the manga, I actually find it more surprising everyone else doesn't agree with me.
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This chou shinra tensei annihilated the entire village with ease!
One of Pain's strongest jutsu that forced him to shut down Deva's powers for awhile? How great, wanna know what replicates the exact same thing CST just did, except is actually MORE devastating?
A casual swing of Madara's sword!
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Asura path missiles could be used to blow up any mokuton that Hashirama might use to bind any animals.
Are you serious at this point, even multiplied by 100 those things were blowing up buildings let alone only 20 of them. Do you know how far past that we are in the manga now? In every single panel mountains are being destroyed you can't even see Hashirama or Kurama or anything, 200 Asura Path wouldn't be able to do anything to Hashirama. From the above scans you already proved it yourself, the only thing that can actually stand a chance at not getting shrugged off effortlessly are Nagato's top 2 strongest jutsu lol, that should give you a good idea at how much of another level Hashirama is on. And the part where even with those 2 strongest jutsu they handicapped Nagato because they were so powerful, and in Hashirama's tier, what are considered Nagato's "strongest jutsu" is just casually waving a sword around. Don;t you get that by now? Your VM said something similar so how you don't actually agree with me is surprising hell what I'm claiming is far from absurd, if I was so wrong I would have seen some kind of scan that said otherwise. Nagato is just
too outclassed. I enjoy arguing for Hashirama here actually, since I know there's nothing 2 dozen Nagato would ever be able to do to scratch this beast. Go ahead man post more, post all you want it's simply wrong, manga fact proves it wrong, it's not a hard concept to grasp bro.
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Animal summons like these and the invisible chameleon would be helpful in overwhelming Hashirama while he is busy dealing with Asura rockets and projectile attacks.
No, no they won't, he won't be busy with anything, he won't have to deal with any of that. Not to mention Hashirama can make Mokuton clones of his own, so when it comes to dealing with separate Nagato's or getting overwhelmed, even if tiny building busting lasers or a couple animal summons DID do something when Hashirama's chilling in the mountain busting level then they still can't really do shit.
Banshotenin from 20 different Nagatos coming from 20 different directions will stretch Hashirama's body and then rip it in half.
Yeah because that's supported with manga scans. And if it worked, I
totally see the Nagatos getting a chance to do that when Hashirama's level of CC is unreal.
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Any mokuton that comes near Nagato will just give Nagato more chakra while Hashirama wastes it. This will also allow Nagato to make any trees that come near him lifeless.
What does Nagato expect to do about all the debris that Hashirma can make or Flower World when Nagato doesn't even have any knowledge of it? Hashirama covers the battlefield in mokuton and makes 20 Mokuton clones, Nagato wastes CT or CST a bunchj of times when Hashirama can easily counter them, even if they had knowledge Asura missiles or animal summons or those tiny techniques wouldn't do shit, he'd have to waste all of his strongest techniques on them and when he does Hashirama just says lol you wasted CST and CT, ok /makes more. Rinse and repeat all of the Nagato's go unconscious then die. Nagatos wouldn't even get a chance to land a hit on one Hashirama let alone the real one if they discovered it was a clone. This is also the reason despite Madara chilling, using weak attacks like a katon when he has the PS blade, sitting in basic rib cage susano'o, still holding off the Gokages with ease in that far inferior form that EMS Madara takes on 40 of easily, and when they finally landed a hit on that noob Madara it was a mokuton clone and Madara lol'd at them. Unfortunately for Nagato, the Gokages would have been solod by a single swipe of PS's sword, even they wouldn't be completely raped by Nagato unless you want to try to support Nagato soloing them all in 2 seconds like Madara did without even using PS.
Don't forget that Nagato wasn't even at full power when he did all that. Imagine 20 full power Nagatos. Remember it was Pain that was taking on all of Konoha at one time. 20 Nagatos would fodderize 20 Konohas at the exact same time. Only a fan boy would think that Hashirama can defeat 20 shinobi villages at the exact same time.
If Konoha has anything to say about, then why exactly can't Hashirama solo them? Lol, we saw what they could do against Nagato. You also happen to believe in this misconception, Pain has his chakra split up in 1/6s in all of his paths, he had to channel all of his into Deva to use CT or CST and it even decreased his lifespan and made him completely defenselss both times.
Even then those jutsu are fodder compared to what Hashirama's tier can do by just swiping a blade. Why exactly was he not at full power unless you're talking about cripple Nagato in the cave, Prime Nagato wouldn't have made a difference I'd argue sending 6 paths is far more effective than going alone because the area they can cover. It's konoha, look at those fodder they can't even beat a 1/6 cripple Nagato path and he solod them, and you think Hashirama couldn't take 20 of those Konoha? Exactly.
If you are completely serious, than you are delusional.
I disagree. If I'm so delusional you are doing quite the horrible job of proving it. If it was such a rape it should be so easy to prove me wrong, right? Except where it's not and all scans seem to point to Joki-Correct. I on the other hand feel everyone else is just massively misinformed and hasn't read the manga correctly, they stick with the opinion that the thought of 1 guy standing a chance against 20 Nagato is simply absurd no matter how much current manga blatantly proves it. I mean it seems ridiculous right? There's no way that can be right at all, 1 guy couldn't solo 20 Nagato. That is where it stems from, with that in mind no matter how obvious the scans are no one who's in "their right mind" would be able to accept such an absurd thought. Of course you're in that mindset too. I can't blame them, doesn't make them right in the slightest because people can't currently accept logic. How much clearer can Kishi make it exactly?
How about it's time you also accept the scans and agree it does sound absurd but the manga does indeed prove it. It's time for you to join the side of logic, Ice. Otherwise I can expect to see a counter for these scans...but I don't expect to, they literally don't exist because Hashirama is in a tier of his own,if there's something it will be easily counterable bull that simply isn't true.
Not exactly, Senju hands can not do that to 20 CT at once.
Why not? All manga scans support me at this point and that is an easy possibility. CT didn't do near the damage of a sword slash which Hashirama grabbed with his hands effortlessly, and those hands were far inferior to Shinsuusenju in terms of size and most likely power or at least common sense would say so.
20 Nagatos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 kages.
Yes they do indeed, but what part of Madara's
casual sword slash soloing the Gokages don't you understand? Not even 20 Nagato could solo the 5 kages instantly with 1 attack, even if it's their strongest attack they would have to do something ridiculous like resort to using 5 CTs or at least more than 1 of CT or CST. Their
strongest jutsu, and Madara/Hashirama canonically wipe them out with 1 weak ass attack compared to their battle. Allow me to post hashirama2.png again try to let it soak in this time.
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20 Nagato beating 5 kages is a little different than 1 basic swipe of a sword taking them out easily, wouldn't you agree? The scale is completely different, while 20 Nagato would beat 5 kage, so do Madara and Hashirama..with one weak effortless attack. Try and scale up, how would 20 sets of Gokages fare against 20 Nagatos? That would be something like 100 vs 20, surely it can't end well for Nagato meanwhile in Madara's case, one basic swipe fodderizes the Gokages, all he has to do is barrage with his 2 blades some, they can't really do shit to him at all behind PS. It's extraordinary to this point you still don't agree with me and act like it's absurd but again, that same mindset. People will grow out of it soon I'm sure or else be in denial for their lives, when Kishi says on panel "Oh Nagato, yeah Hashirama's power level is over 1,000 times his he could take on 40 Nagato's easily, can't you guys read this manga?" people will still deny it for obvious reasons, he basically has said that already.
No he craps on five kages effortlessly and these five kages are very weak compared to the older generation. Where does the manga say that Hashirama can beat 20+ kage level shinobi? It doesn't matter either way since Nagato himself is above any of the five kages by quite a large margin.
Since forever? Kage levels can't do crap to Hashirama if we're talking people like Gokages. Madara was toying with them in a far inferior rib cage form and he still
stood a chance they weren't even completely stomping him, it made me lol. So what part of Madara being able to solo the gokages with ONE SWORD SWIPE is confusing you bro, I'll be happy to clear it up for you because you should look into how effortless slashing with your sword is, that should give you a good idea of how many people Madara/Hashirama could solo through their mountain busters. Even if 1 sword swipe=5 kage levels it's getting ridiculous.
Chouji is actually pretty strong. Also those soul dragons would have owned all those fodder easily including Chouji, a high jounin level shinobi.
They didn't use them bro, last I checked that GM was fueled by 6 jinchuriki each capable of sending off their own mountain buster, since when was Nagato's GM without the power of any of those jins anywhere near that strong.
20 Rinnegan users inferior to an EMS user? Say more.
Ok cool, can you post a panel of said 20 rinnegan users doing something REMOTELY comparable to a sword slash fodderizing entire mountains. I didn't think you could, but let's go back to that one thing Zetsu said, err I mean, Hashiramadara clone, that thing about the shuriken and stick, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about here. It's all about the skill of the wielder, if Madara could use PS in base mode he'd shit on a rinnegan user too, I guess it means Hashirama and Naruto and co beating even a single Nagato is void, they're obviously inferior because they don' have a dojutsu? I think you can see where I'm going with this, quite the wobbly point lol.
I'm just curious, which post have you not replied to?
Nah I was talking about a post that
I made that was not replied to. In fact I'm pretty sure it's still un replied to to this point. You could do that if you want but like I said I have no expectations on a response because I find it pretty obvious I'm 100% right here, but don't let me do the talking let all of the scans do the talking, and Kishi can talk some too why not.
I hope you aren't supporting Hashirama in this match up. -Sigh-
I hopefully proved to you why it's not so ridiculous at this point. But that's only if you're willing to accept the scans. Hell instead of addressing any of them you could just be like "lol are you retarded, Hashirama wasn't in that scan it was a pic of Sakura". I have witnessed that many times and when it come down to it that's basically what everyone does when they don't want to admit they're wrong.
Now you are just over exaggerating. If he was that powerful, he would not have got owned by an out of shape Hiruzen. Nagato can replicate that feat of Hiruzen's by ripping his soul out.
I'm not sure if you're being serious now or screwing around. If you ARE being serious, then there's no wonder you are confused and arguing for Nagato in this match up, it's claims like this that prove how misinformed you and/or other Nagato supporters actually are:
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Unless you forgot, in part 1 they were nowhere near their full strength. Also going to take this time to reveal a hidden card:
Kabuto's far inferior ET bound Nagato
effortlessly, he was completely blacked out and controlled by Kabuto, he was a mindless zombie. So now we have Orochimaru's
senju enhanced ET that Hashirama
broke out of with ease! Can you believe that even Nagato was completely helpless before an inferior ET, as was every other shinobi, no shinobi has ever broken it of their own accord other than maybe Hanzo for 2 seconds at the end of his life because Hanzo is a beast. Hashirama literally said "I'm Hashirama I do what I want" and broke free of Orochimaru's
superior control no difficulty. Not only that but his chakra alone is crumbling the foundation of the room around them, no other shinobi in history has ever come close to that.
Ok, since you seem to think my academy student analogy was exaggerating I want you to respond to the last paragraph and all and please tell me what part of a SWORD SLASH wiping out 5 or more kage levels easily with 1 strike you don't understand. There's the Hashiramadara tier, and there's the everyone else tier. I wouldn't exaggerate here these points mean a lot to me, Hashirama is firmly established as this powerful in manga, I'd really like it if people could admit when they were actually wrong about this. Because as far as the debating is going it sure seems like they are. I think no one wants to admit it as usual because of that "absurdity factor" mindset I talked about earlier.
Either way I'm not even being hostile about it, all of the scans have proven me right so far I haven't seen any actual decent points that show otherwise, other than that mindset of Hashirama beating 20 Nagato just "sounding" ridiculous to them, there's no base for that argument because it's just not true. Hashi is on another level now, a
completely different tier, maybe soon people will start to realize that. Also I didn't want to reply late but NB shut down and stuff like that so eh. I already VMed you so you should know I posted or am posting.
