Fourth kazekage isnt weak at all.

genii96

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Okay first of all people seem to think that gaara's dad was some weak shinobi because of incodents with gaara and oro. Well i do not believe that.
1) the wind daimyo cut off suna's funds,thereby dooming the village to extinction,however,he was able to summon enough gold dust to not only pay for the entire suna,but to keep them among the top 5 villages.essentially carrying the village's existence on his head.

2) he was able to use enough gold dust to envelop the shukaku,a tailed beast while in the dessert and he could do this easily,meaning he could handle a tailed beast himself,unlike other elites who could take on v2 jins,but had no answer when they went full bijuu.

3) orochimaru i believr stated he needed kimi's help to kill him, but oro at that time had is hands edos,so why would he need kimi's help if the kazekage wasnt strong?.

4) he is able to instantly create gold dust into the above surface woth no prep whatsoever and his gold dust wave is stronger than gaara's sand tsunami. He possesed jiton,which allowed him to manipulate repulsive forces of magnetism to make his gold dust move just as fast as gaara's gourd sand despite being 7 times heavier. He could also manipulate attractive forces to pull gold dust to him from the environment and the time is almost instant

5) his skill with gold dust was known enough that onoki said he was a great leader and the 3rd raikage,who inotiall dodnt recognise him,instantly recognized him after he stopped the sand tsunami because of his gold dust,his reactive skills to the attack prompted the mizukage to tell him that he came up with a counter quite quickly. Of all the kages including muu,a sensr,he was the only one who spoted the 3rd eye that gaara was using.

6) in his fight against gaara,he easily kept up until gaatra forced him to lower his defences by attacl all the kage there,making him protect them and since he didnt have an auto defence,he was caught from below,but this trick has worked on gaara as well as seen with deidara,and when he saved mei and got attacked by the susanoos,even after getting caught,he still managed to get off a few attacks before allowing gaara to seal him.

7) he was able to copy techniques from shukaku jins,which shows great skill and intelligence,he was able to master the third eye tech, most definately could fly as well as use gold dust sensing. Since gaara was a kid when he died,he copied it from another jin,and he taught gaara ninjutsus which means he taught gaara most of his sand techniques.

8) kishi most likely trolled him grwtaly by making oro kill him,because he knew that he would cause serious trouble to konoha.

I hope these points prove that gaaral dad is no where nea weak ans deserves a high kage level status.
 

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He was strong. keeping Shukaku in check (which is the weakest beast.. but still)

dying by Orochimaru's hand who needed Kimmimaro + Kabuto

Funding an entire village with gold..

I'm sure he was a strong kage ^^
 

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He got killed by Orochimaru. However, understandable because Orochimaru was a Sannin which equals old (Battle Experience) and reputation (famous for the battle of Hanzou). Now, its unknown why he was choosen for Kazekage. If not mistaken, from speculation or confirmation from the mange says, he was choosen because he had the ability to suppress Ichibi and he was Gaara's father which also enable him to control the Ichibi more effectively. Other than the latter, he is not that impressive.
 

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He is not as old as 3rd hokage to be defeated like that.
 

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Saying he's weak because he lost to Orochimau is like saying he's weak because he lost to Jaiyari!
 

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He was strong. keeping Shukaku in check (which is the weakest beast.. but still)

dying by Orochimaru's hand who needed Kimmimaro Kabuto

Funding an entire village with gold..

I'm sure he was a strong kage ^^

shukaku isnt the weakest,only kurama believed that,hachibi however stated differently.

Nice one but with mistakes

mind pointing them out please?:)

He got killed by Orochimaru. However, understandable because Orochimaru was a Sannin which equals old (Battle Experience) and reputation (famous for the battle of Hanzou). Now, its unknown why he was choosen for Kazekage. If not mistaken, from speculation or confirmation from the mange says, he was choosen because he had the ability to suppress Ichibi and he was Gaara's father which also enable him to control the Ichibi more effectively. Other than the latter, he is not that impressive.

or maybe he was chosen beacuse he was the successor?or maybe he was strong?. Oro also stated he needed help. A shinobi loosing to full Oro kabuto kimi is far from dissapointng,seeing as oro was toying with hiruzen,while he claimed he needed help to handle gaara's dad.

He is not as old as 3rd hokage to be defeated like that.

he was defeated with help from kimi,oro said he needed help IIRC,so he was very strong.
 

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well of course. this was obvious
1. hes a kage. give him some credit
2. got basically ambushed by all his opponents and never really faced anyone on even grounds. its implied oro even used ET on him
3. one of the only shinobis to ever fight a bijuu toe to toe without any special seals or supression techniques.

Shukaku in check (which is the weakest beast.. but still)
hachibi said the amount of tails doesnt prove how strong the bijuu is
 

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Kishi really trolled him
 

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Nice thread. People tend to underestimate Gaara's dad, but I think is because of their own personal bias and hatred for him that they allow their judgement to be clouded. Now I understand why some people don't have a favorable opinion of him but C'MON! The guy stopped a tailed beast dead in it's tracks! He's a force to be reckoned with! Even haters can't deny this!
 

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Kishi trolled him hard.

Gold dust has huge potential just like the 3rd kazekages iron sand, and i don't think it even has an elemental weakness.
 

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Kishi trolled him hard.

Gold dust has huge potential just like the 3rd kazekages iron sand, and i don't think it even has an elemental weakness.

it dosent,it's the 3rd best conductor,raiton attacks would just flow through it harmlessly,it is much stronger and sturdy than rock,and as such much stronger than suiton,too strong to be blown away by fuuton,cant be melted by katon.
This guy is something else
 
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