Mokuton vs Preta path.

[TheEvilOne]

The mokuton is not chakra. It's Hashirama's life energy.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

gaara dosnet create the sand,he just manipulates it. Hashi creates the wood from his chakra,hence it is absorbed

But Hashi can also manipulate wood.

When he got mad the wood cracked around him.

 

[Zato]

Here we go again with this logic. Your basically saying Preta Path can absorb tailed beast entirely because they were created from chakara... Tail Beast are life forms so their properties change. Mokuton is a life form so its properties change. Preta Path cannot absorb a life form but it can absorb the chakara within it. He cannot absorb LIFE. He can only absorb things created by simple chakara itself. This is why Mokuton is so special. Mokuton is highly similar to how the SO6P created the tailed beast in the sense that he can create life through chakara.

 

[genii96]

But Hashi can also manipulate wood.

When he got mad the wood cracked around him.

thats just his powerful chakra coming out,didnt he almost destroy that temple when he stopped tobirama from attacking?.

Plus all this talk about moukton possesing life hold ls no water to preta, life is yang chakra, a bijuu's chakra consists of both yin and yang,nagato absorbs bee's v2 easily,which contains yang,so this whole lifeforce thing is wrong,if hashirama creates wood from his chakra it will be absorbed,simple as that

 

[Zato]

thats just his powerful chakra coming out,didnt he almost destroy that temple when he stopped tobirama from attacking?.

Plus all this talk about moukton possesing life hold ls no water to preta, life is yang chakra, a bijuu's chakra consists of both yin and yang,nagato absorbs bee's v2 easily,which contains yang,so this whole lifeforce thing is wrong,if hashirama creates wood from his chakra it will be absorbed,simple as that

Except Minato makes your whole statement wrong because he sealed all of the 9tails Yin chakara within the reaper and the 9 tails was still able to maintain his life and shape. Why was the 9tails able to do this? Its because the fact that he is a living being his properties changed. Also, a tail beast cloak is nothing but chakara, is it NOT a life form. Hashirama as stated in the manga and databook creates LIFE which is why his technique is the most unique. I will say this again, when Preta Path can absorb tailed beast entirely then he can absorb Mokuton. Tailed beast as stated in the manga were molded by using Yin Release and given life by using Yang Release. Do you see where I am going here... By simple logic Preta Path cannot absorb Mokuton entirely but only the chakara within the wood that gives it life.

 

[Exaar]

Hashirama's chakra is converted into a source of life. So the Mokuton isn't a chakra based ninjutsu. Or at least not Hashirama's version.

Of course it's chakra based.

Hashirama turns his chakra into life force, the exact same way Jiraiya turned his chakra into Oil, Yet it was easily absorbed. So there is nothing stopping Preta sucking a Chakra based life force out of mokuton.

Even If preta cannot absorb the actual wood, It can absorb the chakra out of the wood thus stopping it from moving and being controlled and turning into a normal bit of wood.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Of course it's chakra based.

Hashirama turns his chakra into life force, the exact same way Jiraiya turned his chakra into Oil, Yet it was easily absorbed. So there is nothing stopping Preta sucking a Chakra based life force out of mokuton.

Even If preta cannot absorb the actual wood, It can absorb the chakra out of the wood thus stopping it from moving and being controlled and turning into a normal bit of wood.

i thought it was his toad.

 

[BigBlade Master]

I think Preta can absorb Mokuton.

 

[Curse Mark]

Preta allows you to choose what ou want,you are the one absorbing in the first place,you can choose what you want to absorb,he orb around you,just allows you to absorb from everywhere,not that you automatically absorb everything around you. You are the one that would decide what you want to absorb. Also,the barrier dosent really cver all around you if you dont want it to,see when preta absorbed j-man's rasengan and gaemon,the orb was at his hands.

That's such shit hahaha it covers all around you but he pushed out his hands. It was still an orb around him. Anything touching it is absorbed. Oh my God you're so ridiculous.

I got it from the Databook,
and the wiki.

"Wood Release techniques can be produced from anywhere, including the user's body, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life. "

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Both instances Mokuton is referred to as life. Chakra is turned into the origin of life for the trees just like water is the origin of life for trees. Konoha's building's are made of Mokuton, unless Nagato can absorb life, he can't absorb Preta. The life force comes from the Senju life force stored in Hashirama's cells.

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I guess I'm pulling stuff out of my ass, if the manga and Databook is my ass..

HAHAHAHA YES. THIS SETTLES IT.

 

[Exaar]

i thought it was his toad.

Nah the Oil came from him

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He also used Oil on Konan

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[TheSages456]

since when can yin & yang constructs be absorbed? yin & yang chakra can be absorbed but not the real actual life constructs they they make.

hashiramas chakra is merely a source of life. its not in the actual technique itself.

 

[iSpeak]

Lol at people who think turning the chakra into a source of life means they are now not made from chakra anymore.
I guess that means the tailed beasts who the sage gave life to aswell are not made of chakra anymore eithe.... oh wait.... Tobi and Chiyo disagree

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Preta Path absorb chakra in any form no matter what the properties... accept it. If you don't like it, blame Kishi for making the Sage of six paths' eyes overpowered.

If people knew how ninjutsu works, they would know that Shinbobi simply mould and manipulate their chakra into an element (or in Hashirama and the Sage's case into life). But that is all he is doing... changing the properties of their chakra. They just have the ability to mimic the properties of real life things (growing, breathing, emotions etc) but they are still made from charka!! Chakra is simply building blocks which can be moulded and manipulated into near enough anything.

 

[genii96]

That's such shit hahaha it covers all around you but he pushed out his hands. It was still an orb around him. Anything touching it is absorbed. Oh my God you're so ridiculous,

look whose talking,

"The Preta Path (餓鬼道, Gakidō ) grants the user the ability to absorb an infinite amount of chakra in any form using the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal . Pain channelled the Preta Path through the corpse of a Kusagakure shinobi .
This ability was primarily defensive in natureas it is capable of absorbing most ninjutsu-based techniques, thereby nullifying its effect. This technique can also take the form of a barrier around the user's entire body, allowing them to absorb attacks from all directions.In addition to this, the Preta Path is able to absorb chakra from an individual through physical contact."

BLOCKING TECHNIQUE ABSORPTION SEAL
"A highly advanced sealing technique granted by the Preta Path , that is capable of absorbing any chakra , regardless of any shape or nature transformation, and dispersing it within one's body by spinning the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. As a result, this technique can absorb any ninjutsu based technique, regardless of power, without harming the user. Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."

databook page 296 just incase you want to brush off.

The orb CAN take the form around the body,or just the hands,depending on the choice of the user.

Tell me if the orb is around him here

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the orb is clearly on his hands alone.

Here,he makes the orb bigger,and infront of him.

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sorry,you are the one being ridiculous,and as i have put the ideal words on bold,preta makes a meal out of moukton

 

[Curse Mark]

This is the moment when you said he was using his hands against the rasengan and he clearly isn't. It seems the data book contradicts itself after reading another thread on this.

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But that's the moment he was totes using his hands br0 lolz

 

[genii96]

This is the moment when you said he was using his hands against the rasengan and he clearly isn't. It seems the data book contradicts itself after reading another thread on this.

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But that's the moment he was totes using his hands br0 lolz

go and argue all you want,i showed you when he was absorbing gaemon,the orb was around his hands,gave you quotes saying that the orb CAN be around the entire users body,and that picture you showed,simply shows the orb infront of him,not all around him,if you cant accept these facts,then thats your problem.

 

[Curse Mark]

Lol you can clearly see it all around him. Look at the first panel. That mark on the ground shows where the bottom is cut off. I'm not saying whether or not mokuton can be absorbed or whether or not the absorption is always 360 degrees, but the example you provided for it not being 360 degrees was wrong.

 

[genii96]

Lol you can clearly see it all around him. Look at the first panel. That mark on the ground shows where the bottom is cut off. I'm not saying whether or not mokuton can be absorbed or whether or not the absorption is always 360 degrees, but the example you provided for it not being 360 degrees was wrong.

so when he absorbed gaemon,it was 360 degrees?

 

[Curse Mark]

so when he absorbed gaemon,it was 360 degrees?

Could you translate gaemon to english since we are in fact speaking it? I'm not really sure which technique you're referring to.

 

[genii96]

Could you translate gaemon to english since we are in fact speaking it? I'm not really sure which technique you're referring to.

the ine where the trio spits out flaming oil,in my first scan

 

[Curse Mark]

the ine where the trio spits out flaming oil,in my first scan

I was never talking about that. Irrelevant. I was talking about the giant rasengan the entire time. Respond to what I said about that or not at all.