Obito vs Hashirama

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Obito knows about wood dragon and mokuton.
Giant crater.
No edo jins, no juubi.

Give a reason before you say hashi low diff for no reason.
 

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Hashirama wins. Obito can't counter the flower tree world without the Bijuu.
 

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Obito may not have the bihuus,but you didnt restrict gedo itself.+his rinnegan/sharingan will see the flower pollen through their chakra and he will evade it. Intangibility renders nearly all moukton useless. He also has moukton too.

Tobi wins
 

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Obito may not have the bihuus,but you didnt restrict gedo itself.+his rinnegan/sharingan will see the flower pollen through their chakra and he will evade it. Intangibility renders nearly all moukton useless. He also has moukton too.

Tobi wins
 

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Obito may not have the bihuus,but you didnt restrict gedo itself.+his rinnegan/sharingan will see the flower pollen through their chakra and he will evade it. Intangibility renders nearly all moukton useless. He also has moukton too.

Tobi wins

He's going to evade pollen in a wide forest that covers the whole area they are fighting in? Yeah right. He can't run away with Kamui forever as it only lasts 5 min consecutively, once he lets up and breathes the pollen in he goes to sleep and gets killed. Why mention his Mokuton here when it is basically a non factor? Mokuton Bunshins stop Obito from warping him as he can't find the right one, and since he can't find the right one, he's just gonna end up sucking in a clone.
 

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He's going to evade pollen in a wide forest that covers the whole area they are fighting in? Yeah right. He can't run away with Kamui forever as it only lasts 5 min consecutively, once he lets up and breathes the pollen in he goes to sleep and gets killed. Why mention his Mokuton here when it is basically a non factor? Mokuton Bunshins stop Obito from warping him as he can't find the right one, and since he can't find the right one, he's just gonna end up sucking in a clone.

he dosent need to evade it,he can just have gedo blast the pollen flowers aside. How is his moukton a non factor exactly?,because hashi's own is better?,if ems can tell between shadow clones,it can tell between wood clones. Also tobi has his uchiha shield barrier tech that burns anything that touches it,he can just set it around himself,it would burn any pollen that comes near him.
 

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he dosent need to evade it,he can just have gedo blast the pollen flowers aside. How is his moukton a non factor exactly?,because hashi's own is better?,if ems can tell between shadow clones,it can tell between wood clones. Also tobi has his uchiha shield barrier tech that burns anything that touches it,he can just set it around himself,it would burn any pollen that comes near him.

Mokuton suppresses chakra, Gedo can be taken care of with Moktuton Hotei no jutsu and Mokuton bindings, where hands (as big as 100% Kyuubi) restrain it, thus suppressing its chakra . Hashirama's is better and the only Mokuton feats we've seen from him are nothing in this fight and won't do anything to Hashirama. EMS sees through clones, not Rinnegan unless you can prove it. Obito doesn't have EMS and don't bring in that Rinnegan is simply an evolution of Sharingan because Rinnegan doesn't have Sharingan abilities unless you awakened it like Madara did. Obito did not. So he's going to set his barrier and then what? He can't stay in there forever.
 

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Hashirama is one of the few people tha can continually spam attacks for the 5 minutes.

Hashirama could win.
 

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Depends on if Hashirama can spam for 5 minutes consecutively and if he can figure out how long Obito's time limit is which is very unlikely as he's seeing the technique for the first time. Obito takes it.

people overrate obito. i will make a thread about how he can be beaten

Don't bother. The only way to get through his Kaumi is to exhaust the limit, have Kaumi or a space time on par with Minato's. Hashirama doesn't have any, possible to exhaust the limit but very unlikely.
 
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What stops Hashirama from flying on his dragon and bombarding the ground below until Obito's Kamui runs out?

He's the #1 chakra beast, after all.
 

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Mokuton suppresses chakra, Gedo can be taken care of with Moktuton Hotei no jutsu and Mokuton bindings, where hands (as big as 100% Kyuubi) restrain it, thus suppressing its chakra . Hashirama's is better and the only Mokuton feats we've seen from him are nothing in this fight and won't do anything to Hashirama. EMS sees through clones, not Rinnegan unless you can prove it. Obito doesn't have EMS and don't bring in that Rinnegan is simply an evolution of Sharingan because Rinnegan doesn't have Sharingan abilities unless you awakened it like Madara did. Obito did not. So he's going to set his barrier and then what? He can't stay in there forever.

gedo also posseses demon chakra chains,which also supress chakra,infact it can supress several bijuu chakras at once. Tobi himself can create them too,and easily surpress those wood structures,unlss you think those wood things have more chakra than several tailed beasts(7 to be exact). Tobi can easily make the shield around gedo too,those hands,will get blown to pieces by a chakra blast boosted with the power of 7 bijuus or be surpressed itself by the chakra chains it posseses. Hashi mught be better,dosent mean he can't be hurt by tobi's moukton. Minato's normal rasengan is bigger than jiraiya's normal rasengan,but if j-man's rasengan hits minato,he is dead. The same with hashirama,being better at it dosent mean he cant be hurt by it. Does hashirama even know that tobi's intangibility lasts for 5 minutes?.

Rinnegan is indeed the evolved version of the ems,whether he awakened it or not,if your eyes have amaterasu and you gave it to someone else,that person would have it too. Danzo uses shushi's eye just like he did,did he awaken the ms?. Tobi's rinnegan can see through it just like madara's can.

Tob can just teleport behind hashirama,to kill him.

Tobi also has izanagi too.
 

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gedo also posseses demon chakra chains,which also supress chakra,infact it can supress several bijuu chakras at once. Tobi himself can create them too,and easily surpress those wood structures,unlss you think those wood things have more chakra than several tailed beasts(7 to be exact). Tobi can easily make the shield around gedo too,those hands,will get blown to pieces by a chakra blast boosted with the power of 7 bijuus or be surpressed itself by the chakra chains it posseses. Hashi mught be better,dosent mean he can't be hurt by tobi's moukton. Minato's normal rasengan is bigger than jiraiya's normal rasengan,but if j-man's rasengan hits minato,he is dead. The same with hashirama,being better at it dosent mean he cant be hurt by it. Does hashirama even know that tobi's intangibility lasts for 5 minutes?.
Gedo doesn't use those chains for battle first of all and they are only used for suppressing Bijuu not anything else so suppressing his Mokuton (which doesn't even make any sense to being with) is impossible. He makes the shield around Gedo and then what? Hashirama can just wait for it to go down to attack the Gedo again. Unless the Mazo is going to hide in there the whole fight. I've already seen this chakra blast and it can be blocked by Hobi no jutsu or Hashirama simply creates more Mokuton and sends it at the Mazo. It really doesn't matter if he knows or not since Flower Tree World will take him out one way or another, and without the Edo Jins, he has no way of destroying it.


Rinnegan is indeed the evolved version of the ems,whether he awakened it or not,if your eyes have amaterasu and you gave it to someone else,that person would have it too. Danzo uses shushi's eye just like he did,did he awaken the ms?. Tobi's rinnegan can see through it just like madara's can.
Rinnegan isn't the evolved version of the EMS in the same sense MS is the evolved version of Sharingan and this is completely obvious. Obito and Nagato don't have Madara's Sharingan techniques, Madara used his EMS to see through clones thus they can't see through clones either. His Rinnegan doesnt even see through clones in the first place so your basing this on false facts. He already stated that in the old days his Dojutsu was able to see through Hashirama's Clones, and he's shown Sharingan abilities can be used through the Rinnegan.

Obito clearly didn't know this was a clone until after he destroyed it.


Tob can just teleport behind hashirama,to kill him.

Tobi also has izanagi too.

When you prove that he can see through clones then he can do that. Obito doesn't get Madara's EMS techs from his Rinnegan so he can't see through clones, which is an EMS tech. The logic of EMS evolves to Rinnegan is obviously false here as Rinnegan doesn't have Sharingan techs.
 

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Don't bother. The only way to get through his Kaumi is to exhaust the limit, have Kaumi or a space time on par with Minato's. Hashirama doesn't have any, possible to exhaust the limit but very unlikely.

That's not technically the only way.

1.) Have Kakashi on your team
2.) Have V2 A level speed (Then there's Naruto)
3.) Spam tactics (although only chakra monsters can do this)
4.) Kage Bunshin or multiple teammates
 

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Technically, by feats/knowledge, Hashirama would probably fall pray to a Kamui feint (due to the fact that he generally stands immobile atop a statue/summon/tech), but by hype he should win.
 
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