[Theory] The Rinnegan Was Not Yet Fully Awakened When Madara Initially Awoke It

[Unbiased King]

I'd like to say this was a good observation, but your conclusion from the translation "although the eye of samsara is not open" could go either way; meaning there could be a hyperbole or exaggeration on the "although the eye" part to not *actually* or *physically* mean it's open, to to say it has not been developed or awaken.

That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Penguin]

Very nice theory!

 

[naruto legend]

Nice thread + rep when the reping bar works

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

sweet thread derp new charts im making right now

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice theory, that would explain why Obito is able of using a jutsu like Gedo: Rinne Tensei so easily, because he has the eye that Nagato progressed over so many years.

Exactly! Obito is using the Fully Powered Rinnegan Nagato awakened for him. Because Obito cannot fully awakened it himself, or else he would not have needed Nagato and would have taken the Rinnegan before from him.

 

[Chīkara]

I don't know. Is there even such a thing as 'not yet fully awakened' in the rinnegan's case? I mean it seems that once the rinnegan is awakened, it's a matter of knowing how to use the paths.

I was thinking this too because if we look at uchiha madara. He revived in his edo form and knew how to use the rinnegan

 

[-immortal-]

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never seen nagato do this

but i see what you are saying

never seen Madara do this

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although what Madara did is Much stronger and more epic

 

[VongolaX]

Didn't you read the whole post? the Rinnegan wasn't fully awakened yet when Madara was speaking with Obito.

I read the post all of it, let me post you something

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I was thinking this too because if we look at uchiha madara. He revived in his edo form and knew how to use the rinnegan

But did we see Edo Madara use the full extent of his Rinnegan's powers? he needed Obito's Rinnegan for Rinne Tensei revival, the Rinnegan Obito uses is the one Nagato "incubated" and matured to its' full potential.

 

[Disquiet]

I was thinking this too because if we look at uchiha madara. He revived in his edo form and knew how to use the rinnegan

Yes, even showcase an ability that Nagato himself did not show. Which bring doubt to whether Nagato fully awakened it.

 

[VongolaX]

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Tell me what you understand by this

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yes, even showcase an ability that Nagato himself did not show. Which bring doubt to whether Nagato fully awakened it.

You are forgetting that Nagato was crippled in his life, he uses the Rinnegan through his proxies: the six paths, and even when he was revived in Edo form, Kabuto noted that Nagato was incapacitated for such a long time during his life that even his Edo form's mobility and capacity in battle was still hindered.

 

[Chīkara]

But did we see Edo Madara use the full extent of his Rinnegan's powers? he needed Obito's Rinnegan for Rinne Tensei revival, the Rinnegan Obito uses is the one Nagato "incubated" and matured to its' full potential.

No. Good point. But i think the reason is that he was connected to the juubi
We still dont know how he'd beat the kages

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

never seen Madara do this

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although what Madara did is Much stronger and more epic

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he doesnt need it

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Tell me what you understand by this

The Sage's Rinnegan? of course the Rinnegan originated from the Sage.

 

[cptenn94]

you forgot something....what madara was saying, was even if OBITO didnt unlock HIS OWN RINNEGAN(as he has bothe UCHIHA AND SENJU cells) MAdara was refereing to the gedo being able to be controlled without rinnegan. Madara went like 50 years with senju dna and uchiha dna. Yet it took him that long to unlock rinnegan.


So a more accurate translation/understanding, would be "dont worry obito, even if you dont unlock your own rinnegan, you can still control the gedo"

Madara had already fully awakened his own rinnegan.

 

[Chīkara]

Yes, even showcase an ability that Nagato himself did not show. Which bring doubt to whether Nagato fully awakened it.

Exactly! maybe he was not able to fully awaken it because its not his rinnegan!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

you forgot something....what madara was saying, was even if OBITO didnt unlock HIS OWN RINNEGAN(as he has bothe UCHIHA AND SENJU cells) MAdara was refereing to the gedo being able to be controlled without rinnegan. Madara went like 50 years with senju dna and uchiha dna. Yet it took him that long to unlock rinnegan.


So a more accurate translation/understanding, would be "dont worry obito, even if you dont unlock your own rinnegan, you can still control the gedo"

I don't think that is the case, he wasn't referring to the potentiality of Obito awakening his own Rinnegan, but rather, the Rinnegan at present (Madara's Rinnegan) was the one Madara was referring to.

If you look at it, if all that is required is Uchiha+Senju cells, then why didn't Madara order Obito to take back his Rinnegan from Nagato and have Obito use it himself? if he was already Uchiha+Senju in one body?

 

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he doesnt need it

so doesn't he need it

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[Disquiet]

You are forgetting that Nagato was crippled in his life, he uses the Rinnegan through his proxies: the six paths, and even when he was revived in Edo form, Kabuto noted that Nagato was incapacitated for such a long time during his life that even his Edo form's mobility and capacity in battle was still hindered.

@Bold Did he really say that? He lacked mobility, yes. But that shouldn't effect the power and scale of his techniques.

I don't think that is the case, he wasn't referring to the potentiality of Obito awakening his own Rinnegan, but rather, the Rinnegan at present (Madara's Rinnegan) was the one Madara was referring to.

If you look at it, if all that is required is Uchiha+Senju cells, then why didn't Madara order Obito to take back his Rinnegan from Nagato and have Obito use it himself? if he was already Uchiha+Senju in one body?

I don't think that's the case....

And nice theory btw.