Kakuzu vs Tsunade

[Penguin]

Great post, and I just had to rep for the bold...He just made a top 20 list, with Itachi above Obito, Nagato, Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto, and Orochimaru :I

Tobirama better be on that list. Am I right?

 

[ItachiStyle]

^not really its an invulnerable defense besides lightning really yes the chakra scalpel could work but before you were saying that regular attacks could damage his internal organs.. which is just not true for chojis spikey human boulder showed no signs of even harming his organs or nerve systems . If id did leave the organs vulnerable he would of had concussion etc. But The organs were fine

It has never established it is invulnerable. The databook mentions it is "hard like diamond", but the databook says alot of crap, including that Ameratasu is "as hot as the sun" (remember when you tried to argue Earth Spear could stop Ameratasu too?), so we shouldn't take it too literally. The feats for Earth Spear don't even suggest that much, if they did Kakuzu would have no need to dodge at all (yet he constantly dodged attacks). To some degree you've got to have feats to back stuff up. Now sure, Kakuzu's Earth Spear is tough, nobody is disputing that... at the same time though, it hasn't proven it's at the level where it can stand up to even the raw strength of Tsunade. Tsunade can crack Susanoo... the same Susanoo which while in its weakest form (invisible and unformed) can still tank Kirin (a tech that would have easily wrecked Earth Spear). There is a world of difference between the physical strength of Tsunade (who casually hurls giant knives weighing hundreds of tonnes into the air and aims them with enough precision to slam Manda's mouth shut) and Choji rolling in a ball. If you can't see that, you should.

And again, that says nothing for Chakra Scalpel, her lightning affinity, or her re-arranging his nerves with a touch. Kakuzu dies horribly. See thread I linked to for a further explanation. It's also absurd to claim that Kakuzu being "analytical" means he can counteract all his nerves being messed up, something Kabuto could do because he was a genius medical ninja (surprising Tsunade in the process), not owing to mere analytical skill.

 

[Penguin]

It has never established it is invulnerable. The databook mentions it is "hard like diamond", but the databook says alot of crap, including that Ameratasu is "as hot as the sun" (remember when you tried to argue Earth Spear could stop Ameratasu too?), so we shouldn't take it too literally. The feats for Earth Spear don't even suggest that much, if they did Kakuzu would have no need to dodge at all (yet he constantly dodged attacks). To some degree you've got to have feats to back stuff up. Now sure, Kakuzu's Earth Spear is tough, nobody is disputing that... at the same time though, it hasn't proven it's at the level where it can stand up to even the raw strength of Tsunade. Tsunade can crack Susanoo... the same Susanoo which while in its weakest form (invisible and unformed) can still tank Kirin (a tech that would have easily wrecked Earth Spear). There is a world of difference between the physical strength of Tsunade (who casually hurls giant knives weighing hundreds of tonnes into the air and aims them with enough precision to slam Manda's mouth shut) and Choji rolling in a ball. If you can't see that, you should.

And again, that says nothing for Chakra Scalpel, her lightning affinity, or her re-arranging his nerves with a touch. Kakuzu dies horribly. See thread I linked to.

That sword was not Hundreds of tons. Lol'd at that comment.

 

[Zexion~]

i dont remember saying that if i did i meant to say it would slow down the burning of amertarasu.

Besides neative knight made some good points try countering those

 

[ItachiStyle]

People are amazingly uninformed about what "a tonne" constitutes. I googled this. It's a rock that literally weighed a hundred tonnes:

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Not what you were expecting, was it? The knife easily weighed hundreds of tonnes.

 

[Tartarus]

Tsunade's feat of tanking Madara's Katon was impressive, i'll give you that. But this isn't a fight of one-shotting one another, simply wearing your opponent down. Link me to the scan immediately after Tsunade tanked his Katon jutsu, there were obvious repercussions when she did so. These consequences were so severe she relied on being saved by Dan, and not her own regeneration.

Tanking Katon, Fuuton and Raiton one after the other in quick succession will surely end Tsunade.

For the speed point, like you said its a basic genin level feat to boost your speed to a minor extent. It won't save her from being hit by wide scale attacks nor will it give her enough of an advantage to land hits on Kakuzu. Its a genin level speed boost, not the equivalent of Sandaime Raikage's Lightning Release Armour.

I'm such a nerd, this is actually getting fun xd
-For your first point, Tsunade had already been fighting for a few hours against Madara, so her chakra was starting to run out, I still haven't even broke out katsuya support for an argument. Katsuya serves as another line of recovery if she gets in a pinch. Essentially Tsunade has both her own massive chakra and Katsuya healing her as support.
-The next point I'd like to address that while Kakuzu's attacks are destructive, they aren't killing jutsu even on non-tanking characters, nor unavoidable.

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Although overwhelming, Kakashi managed to survive Kakuzu's pressure damage without the aid of any healing, and several chunin were able to avoid searing migraine. Now
Tsunade may be no speed demon but she's faster than those chunin and an expert at evasion since she's a seasoned medic. She won't be getting pelting by every little hit, but she does have the recovery to take it fairly well, she'll probably be able to use that as surprise factor.
-On the last part, in theory it's possible for her to greatly increase her speed, as Sakura only has a 3 in strength but gains superhuman strength once she applies chakra control. In theory it could work the same way for speed, but this is still just theory. My other response to the speed will be used with Hidan as an example when it come to speed:
Hidan(only a 3.5) was able to skillfully outmaneuver Asuma(4.5) despite having a lower speed and fight evenly with Kakashi(4.5)

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[Jiraiya Namikaze]

kakazu probably wins

 

[Hyugaaa]

How would Tsunade even harm Kakuzu? He is faster and physical attacks don't even work on him, and that's not even mentioning the mask she would have to be going against as she is fighting him.

Kakuzu wins mid-low difficulty.

 

[Bantos]

Oh God. This again. Tsunade-sama wins mid-diff. Doton doomu won't save him. Tsunade-sama can survive getting her spine destroyed and still attack. Some elemental blasts won't do any good. Raiton may be a problem but it's still not enough. The wind blasts are useless because of Tsunade-sama's strength.

 

[ItachiStyle]

How would Tsunade even harm Kakuzu? He is faster and physical attacks don't even work on him, and that's not even mentioning the mask she would have to be going against as she is fighting him.

Kakuzu wins mid-low difficulty.

Try reading the thread, and you'll get your answers

 

[Zexion~]

^no cause if they read the thread they see your bull shit answers on how she wins .... your wrong but no one wants to argue with you

 

[ItachiStyle]

I've been very objective with Tsunade. I've slammed her fanbase on more than one occassion for making up stuff or backing her in ridiculous fights (claiming she is immune to genjutsu, can't be killed in combat, can tank Pain's Shinra Tensei from close range, etc), so my record speaks for itself. In this instance she's being underrated by a small collection of posters who dislike her. Kakuzu will struggle to hurt Tsunade, who is both very hard to damage, able to one shot people at close range, has awesome evasion skills and agility (literally jumps hundreds of feet through the air while carrying objects weighing hundreds of tonnes, and has a giant summons that Kakuzu would struggle to beat even without Tsunade (seriously, how would Kakuzu even kill Katsuyu? Let alone respond to all the giant acid attacks). Kakuzu's best ability is rendered useless too (his Earth Spear) because of all the ways Tsunade can get around it. Horrible fight for Kakuzu, a man who is constantly tagged (or struggling to tag) fodders, which tells you all you need to know about how he will fare in keeping Tsunade away from him.

 

[Zexion~]

... You should really watch making accusations like "people who dont like tsunade"

I like her alot actually shes my top 3 female character . also earth spear is not his best ability best defensive, yes but not overall

and kakuzu having trouble hurting tsunade HAHAHAHAHAH its the other way around . Tsunade is all close range besides katsuyu who can also be avoided and taken down with one of his jutsus "false darkness mostly" . So tsunade would basically never be able to get to kakuzu to use that incredible streangth of hers. And you always evade that point and never counter it even in the last thread :/ wonder why ... and kamui kakashi a fodder?

 

[TheEvilOne]

... You should really watch making accusations like "people who dont like tsunade"

I like her alot actually shes my top 3 female character . also earth spear is not his best ability best defensive, yes but not overall

and kakuzu having trouble hurting tsunade HAHAHAHAHAH its the other way around . Tsunade is all close range besides katsuyu who can also be avoided and taken down with one of his jutsus "false darkness mostly" . So tsunade would basically never be able to get to kakuzu to use that incredible streangth of hers. And you always evade that point and never counter it even in the last thread :/ wonder why ... and kamui kakashi a fodder?

And I don't even like her. Her character is annoying.
She was able to hit Kabuto, Orochimaru and Madara. Basically she was able to punch/ kick ALL OF HER ENEMIES. Kakuzu is weak compared to them ( except Kabuto ). Tsunade would deal with him easily. In fact, every Kage/ Sannin/ higher level jounin can defeat him.

 

[Negative Knight]

And I don't even like her. Her character is annoying.
She was able to hit Kabuto, Orochimaru and Madara. Basically she was able to punch/ kick ALL OF HER ENEMIES. Kakuzu is weak compared to them ( except Kabuto ). Tsunade would deal with him easily. In fact, every Kage/ Sannin/ higher level jounin can defeat him.

I'll never get why people dislike/hate on certain characters. At most i'm neutral on every character since i don't see the point of disliking a fictional creation.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I'll never get why people dislike/hate on certain characters. At most i'm neutral on every character since i don't see the point of disliking a fictional creation.

Why do you think I don't like his character?

 

[Robot Boy]

Why do you think I don't like his character?

"Kakuzu is weak compared to them ( except Kabuto )" is what you said. Although I don't see how you could say he is. He is a strong enemy and its been shown.

 

[Edo Odin]

Why do you think I don't like his character?

The fact that you said every Kage/Sannin/High Jounin could beat him made it quite obvious...

 

[Negative Knight]

Why do you think I don't like his character?

Not his character, but you seem to underrate his abilities.

"Every Kage/Sannin/High Jounin can defeat him". I won't take you literally on that since High Jounin's aren't enough to defeat him, but the fact remains about you underrating him in a way.

He can take Mei, the 3rd Kazekage, Gai, Kakashi, 2nd Mizukage Sasori, Deidara, Konan, the 4th Kazekage, Gaara, Yagura and most Jinchuurikis, and a few others i can't remember.

If you actually analyze his abilities you'll notice that. He hasn't shown his full power in a 1 vs 1 because he's never been granted one. Battles including him are designed to stack the odds against him.

e.g. Naruto, Kakashi, Ino, Chouji and Yamato vs Kakuzu
Chouji, Darui, Tenten (with a treasured tool), Ino and a few others fought him in the war.

In a 1 vs 1, his hearts are almost impossible to take down. How can they be taken out whilst he's supporting them at the very same time ? His Doton Domu makes him immune to physical attacks e.g. All Taijutsu and Kenjutsu users

This adds:
The 7 Ninja Swordsmen
Hanzo (Possibly)
Mifune
Darui
Tsunade

and any close combat fighter to the list of people he can beat.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kakuzu wins