Tobirama could probably be the second strongest Hokage

[SilverSlick]

Bogard saying Tobirama is the second strongest Hokage? *Sniff* I'm so.....proud. I didn't believe I'd ever see the day where Tobirama was considered 2nd strongest by such members as yourself. I think I'm going to go cry tears of joy now.

 

[Bogard]

Bogard saying Tobirama is the second strongest Hokage? *Sniff* I'm so.....proud. I didn't believe I'd ever see the day where Tobirama was considered 2nd strongest by such members as yourself. I think I'm going to go cry tears of joy now.

Never said he was. It's still hypothetic. Minato still prevails until proven otherwise :scorps:

 

[Memoria]

"If you are not uchiha or senju you are fodder" - Kishi

I am coming to realise that the hokage's strength is in line with when they were elected

Except Naruto is neither.

 

[Omnipotent]

Except Naruto is neither.

As an Uzumaki, he is of the Senju bloodline:

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[Bogard]

As an Uzumaki, he is of the Senju bloodline:

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Uzumaki are distant blood relative to Senju, so there is a clear difference. Still that statement was garbage from the moment when Obito(Uchiha who almost soloed Uchiha clan) got his ass kicked by a normal being(Minato) in 1minute chrono

 

[Owarij]

"If you are not uchiha or senju you are fodder" - Kishi

I am coming to realise that the hokage's strength is in line with when they were elected

Yup, I can only hope this isn't so.. but it does seem so... "younger generation surpasses the old my ass"

 

[Bogard]

Yup, I can only hope this isn't so.. but it does seem so... "younger generation surpasses the old my ass"

I don't think the retconed guy with poor feats could be third though U_U

 

[yep]

"If you are not uchiha or senju you are fodder" - Kishi

so
Kabuto with 30 edos = fodder
also Minato = fodder

 

[Omnipotent]

so
Kabuto with 30 edos = fodder
also Minato = fodder

Kabuto implanted Uzumaki DNA into himself, which is from the Senju lineage.
Minato based his FTG off of seals from the Uzumaki Clan (or Tobirama's S/T).

 

[Bogard]

Kabuto implanted Uzumaki DNA into himself, which is from the Senju lineage.
Minato based his FTG off of seals from the Uzumaki Clan (or Tobirama's S/T).

Oh really? Where did you get that info?

 

[Omnipotent]

Oh really? Where did you get that info?

I was supporting you, calm down.
It's assumable as Kushina and her mother taught him many seals, and he seems to not only know of Tobirama's S/T ninjutsu, but how proficient it was (meaning he must have studied it, as he was not alive during Tobirama's time, and if he was, he was an infant/toddler at most).

 

[yep]

Kabuto implanted Uzumaki DNA into himself, which is from the Senju lineage.
Minato based his FTG off of seals from the Uzumaki Clan (or Tobirama's S/T).

Orochimaru is using Senju jutsus (Rashoumon, Edo Tensei) and have mokuton...
Does it make him a Senju? nope

 

[Bogard]

I was supporting you, calm down.
It's assumable as Kushina and her mother taught him many seals, and he seems to not only know of Tobirama's S/T ninjutsu, but how proficient it was (meaning he must have studied it, as he was not alive during Tobirama's time, and if he was, he was an infant/toddler at most).

I just wanted to know U_U Maybe you're right, but it's also possible that he simply read thru scrolls to know Tobirama's jutsu? Aren't they said to be created by Senju clan? And Hokages are allowed to read thru scrolls right?

 

[Kages]

"If you are not uchiha or senju you are fodder" - Kishi

I am coming to realise that the hokage's strength is in line with when they were elected

Lololol so Third Raikage is fodder? Hiruzen's fodder? Lol, :rofl: Minato's fodder? Onoki's fodder? Bee's fodder? Naruto's fodder? :rofl: Orochimaru with Hiruzen and Minato as Edo's is fodder? :rofl:

 

[Memoria]

Uzumaki are distant blood relative to Senju, so there is a clear difference. Still that statement was garbage from the moment when Obito(Uchiha who almost soloed Uchiha clan) got his ass kicked by a normal being(Minato) in 1minute chrono

I know right! Obito when he invaded Konoha is a bad match up for almost everyone, I doubt any of the kages bar Hashirama and probably Tobirama (S/T) would be able to beat him. Minato however taught him who's the boss in a matter of seconds! Dat boss... xd

 

[Kages]

I know right! Obito when he invaded Konoha is a bad match up for almost everyone, I doubt any of the kages bar Hashirama and probably Tobirama (S/T) would be able to beat him. Minato however taught him who's the boss in a matter of seconds! Dat boss... xd

Lulz please tell me how Tobirama> Obito your kindness I'm waiting

 

[Omnipotent]

Orochimaru is using Senju jutsus (Rashoumon, Edo Tensei) and have mokuton...
Does it make him a Senju? nope

Not by lineage, but by altered genetic make-up.

I just wanted to know U_U Maybe you're right, but it's also possible that he simply read thru scrolls to know Tobirama's jutsu? Aren't they said to be created by Senju clan? And Hokages are allowed to read thru scrolls right?

Nah, Tobirama's S/T was exclusive to himself, as we can infer from Minato's statement. It is possible that Minato did that.

 

[Multiply]

1. Hashi
2. Tobirama
3. Minato
4. Hiruzen (no reasonable answer to FTG)
5. Tsunade

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Hmm. . . . . . . . . what do I think. . . . . . . . . I think that still remains to be proven, but I really would like it to be that way. :y

 

[BloodSeed]

Tobirama said their powers were greatly nerfed in part1 when they were first summoned. And do you see how huge of a difference we get between the Hashirama from back then and the original Hashirama? Probably something like 100times stronger. So don't you think that Tobirama's original power could probably be increased with around the same proportion?

Don't forget Tobirama is Hashirama's brother. So they probably had to train a lot to become stronger and stronger exactly like Izuna and Madara who were considered equal

I think it could be the time to see why Senju was so feared since i don't believe that only Hashirama was strong in that clan

So i think Tobirama could be the second strongest hokage after Hashirama. What do you think?

kishimoto overdid the fight between madara and hashirama. he made it so epic that he forgot the limitation of their power.

look at the flashback of tobirama. they were chase by 20kumo elite bounty hunters, he got sarutobi, danzo an uchiha and other fodder shinobi. but they think they dont stand a chance lol. he was the hokage and brother of hashirama. even by half of hashiramas power should be enough to beat those ninjas. what the hell is kishimoto doing