How Naruto and Sasuke Can Reach Madara & Hashirama's Level

[itachi1000]

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Sasuke Uchiha

At this point, Sasuke getting his own Perfect Susanoo is a given cause in recent chapters, we see that Madara able to activate his own Perfect Susanoo with just his EMS.

But not only that, Madara was able to combine this

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along with the Kyuubi

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For those who don't believe that Sasuke is not going to get Perfect Susanoo, take a look at this explanation I came up with for one of my previous threads:

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Just take a look at Madara's unstabilised EMS Susanoo, and Sasuke's current EMS Susanoo.

Madara's EMS Final Susanoo (Unstabilized version)

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Sasuke's EMS Final Susanoo (Unstabilized version)

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If you look at the two closely, you can see that they have the exact same characteristics (the flickering chakra, the arms, the eyes, and the jewels on their foreheads) this indicates that they are somewhat similar in a way. Now what did Madara do to his Perfect Susanoo unstabilized? He stabilized its chakra and it transformed into this.

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Sasuke could possibly do the same to his Susanoo by stabilizing its chakra, whatever it transforms into I'm not sure but his Perfect Susanoo would definitely still have the Amaterasu Sword.

Madara even claimed that the Perfect Susanoo was his most powerful ability:

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So this would mean that once Sasuke gets his own Perfect Susanoo, he would definitely be on Madara's level or maybe even surpass him because while Madara uses normal chakra swords, Sasuke would be using swords made from the black flames of Amaterasu.

Naruto Uzumaki

Early on it has been established that there is a really huge power gap between Naruto and Hashirama.

But I think that this feat just set the bar even higher.

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Now here's how I believe Naruto could possibly reach Hashirama's level.

For starters he would have to get the yin half of the Kyuubi's chakra in order to be at full power.

There are at least two possibilities on how Naruto will get this chakra.

• Either his father Minato will give it to him.
• Or the yin chakra itself is already on it's way to Naruto after the shikifujin's stomach was released.

But then after that, he should then combined the full complete power of his Bijuu Mode with Sage Mode.

Now take a look at what's stated here.

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As you can see here, Naruto was able to convert the Kyuubi's chakra into his own, even C thought that it was the kyuubis chakra but now its Naruto's.

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So now that Naruto has converted the Kyuubi's chakra into his own, he should be more than capable of combining his newly converted chakra with Sage Mode.

It was also hinted that he could do this in previous chapters.

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So by gaining the yin half of the Kyuubi's chakra, thus restoring Kurama to his full power, then combining that with Sage Mode, I honestly believe that he would be on Hashirama's level. Whether Naruto actually surpasses him, I'm not really all that sure about that.

What do you guys think?

 

[Fecal Matter]

Ms gives different abilities.

Sasuke-Enton

Itachi-Tsukuyomi

Madara-Susanoo

Sasuke will not be able to stabilize Susanoo like Madara.

 

[villain55]

I still don't think that's enough

 

[Transcendence]

Give Naruto the Rinnegan.

Give Sasuke Stabilized Perfect Susano and the Elder Son's Dojutsu.

Done. Now they are the two most powerful characters in the series.

 

[pervysage69]

There is only one way Sasuke and Naruto pass Madara and Hashi.

Sasuke gets the elder sons dojutsu (as someone else on here said).

Naruto becomes the jin for the 10 tails.

Both of these are still somewhat possibilities and would propel both Sasuke and Naruto past everyone except the SO6P.

 

[pervysage69]

There is only one way Sasuke and Naruto pass Madara and Hashi.

Sasuke gets the elder sons dojutsu (as someone else on here said).

Naruto becomes the jin for the 10 tails.

Both of these are still somewhat possibilities and would propel both Sasuke and Naruto past everyone except the SO6P.

 

[deva pein]

I have no idea how those two can be surpassed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wrong. Sasuke won't surpass Madara by getting his own Perfect Susanoo, Madara's Susanoo are innately stronger than Sasuke's and he has much more chakra than him, his jutsu are on a larger scale than Sasuke's are as well.

I don't see how getting the Yin half of the Kyuubi back will help him surpass Hashirama when Hashirama's techs naturally beat Bijuu powers. Not to mention he handled Madara and PS Armored 100% Kyuubi. Bijuu Mode and Sage Mode fusion seems unlikely to me. Naruto getting another power up altogether seems a little unlikely to me. IMO Naruto and Sasuke aren't going to surpass Hashirama and Madara. Just like Hashirama and Madara haven't surpassed Rikudou's sons, who were 50% of the Sage himself.

Ms gives different abilities.

Sasuke-Enton

Itachi-Tsukuyomi

Madara-Susanoo

Sasuke will not be able to stabilize Susanoo like Madara.

Actually I'm pretty sure the sheer size and destructive power of Madara's Susanoo compared to Itachi and Sasuke's are his special traits for his EMS, not the stabilizing part, which I'm sure Sasuke will do to match Naruto.

 

[itachi1000]

Wrong. Sasuke won't surpass Madara by getting his own Perfect Susanoo, Madara's Susanoo are innately stronger than Sasuke's and he has much more chakra than him, his jutsu are on a larger scale than Sasuke's are as well.

I don't see how getting the Yin half of the Kyuubi back will help him surpass Hashirama when Hashirama's techs naturally beat Bijuu powers. Not to mention he handled Madara and PS Armored 100% Kyuubi. Bijuu Mode and Sage Mode fusion seems unlikely to me. Naruto getting another power up altogether seems a little unlikely to me. IMO Naruto and Sasuke aren't going to surpass Hashirama and Madara. Just like Hashirama and Madara haven't surpassed Rikudou's sons, who were 50% of the Sage himself.



Actually I'm pretty sure the sheer size and destructive power of Madara's Susanoo compared to Itachi and Sasuke's are his special traits for his EMS, not the stabilizing part, which I'm sure Sasuke will do to match Naruto.

But Naruto is like the main character of series, and you're saying that you don't want him to surpass Hashirama?

 

[KidGamer65]

But Naruto is like the main character of series, and you're saying that you don't want him to surpass Hashirama?

I never said that I didn't want him to surpass Hashirama, I just don't see it happening. Also being the main character doesn't automatically mean he will the strongest at the end, especially since that isn't the purpose of his character. His character's purpose to to surpass his predecessors by bringing peace to the ninja world, something everyone who came before him, even the Sage, failed to accomplish.

 

[hamer34]

HAXS

 

[Honord Sage]

Naruto will surpass the First Hokage as the New Improved SO6P

 

[itachi1000]

I never said that I didn't want him to surpass Hashirama, I just don't see it happening. Also being the main character doesn't automatically mean he will the strongest at the end, especially since that isn't the purpose of his character. His character's purpose to to surpass his predecessors by bringing peace to the ninja world, something everyone who came before him, even the Sage, failed to accomplish.

Look at what Naruto says here:

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Naruto says that he wants to become a hokage that surpasses all previous generations, and you're saying that him surpassing Hashirama is not the purpose of his character?

 

[KidGamer65]

Look at what Naruto says here:

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Naruto says that he wants to become a hokage that surpasses all previous generations, and you're saying that him surpassing Hashirama is not the purpose of his character?

Just because Naruto says he wants to do it, doesn't mean that it will happen. Not to mention Naruto doesn't need to be stronger than him to be better than him as a Hokage. Its obvious the purpose of his character is to bring peace to the ninja world. Why do you think Kishimoto went through the trouble of making him the Child of Prophecy? Why do you think Kishimoto highlighted Jiraiya's quest for peace? Same thing with Minato and the Sage. They all wanted peace to be brought to the Ninja World but they all failed, Naruto won't. Its entirely possible that he will surpass Hashirama in power by the end but I personally do not see it happening.

 

[S A G E]

Both of them will get the rinengan hoping that sasuke will transplant madaras eye and the sage is actually an uzumaki

 

[SAGE JINCHURIKI]

Being the main character doesn't mean he must be the strongest, some legends just can't be pushed aside, he cld surpass hashi in other traits but I seriously doubt in strenght but I stand to be corrected.

 

[arv993]

Just because Naruto says he wants to do it, doesn't mean that it will happen. Not to mention Naruto doesn't need to be stronger than him to be better than him as a Hokage. Its obvious the purpose of his character is to bring peace to the ninja world. Why do you think Kishimoto went through the trouble of making him the Child of Prophecy? Why do you think Kishimoto highlighted Jiraiya's quest for peace? Same thing with Minato and the Sage. They all wanted peace to be brought to the Ninja World but they all failed, Naruto won't. Its entirely possible that he will surpass Hashirama in power by the end but I personally do not see it happening.

But kishi made it pretty clear on that page naruto is going to surpass the previous generation which is a commonly mentioned theme and naruto and sasuke surpassing madara and hashi would accomplish it.

right now at the age of 16-17 naruto is already within reach of hashi's raw destructive power its not a stretch at all for naruto to surpass him especially if he gains powers of the other bijus etc and its even been hinted that

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unless naruto has a sad ending him surpassing hashirama wouldn't be too surprising but the sage might be a different story

 

[saw2097]

This is a Shonen Manga, generally they end with the main character surpassing everyone. Its kind of inevitable.

 

[Gaara]

Could be but I don't see it.