What if Tobirama has like 90% of his brothers power?
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Minato admitted that the second's s/t jutsu was better than his.
Hashirama defeated EMS Madara and Kyuubi. Other than the SO6P, i dont think any other rinnegan user we have seen till now can do that.
of course Tobirama is not in level with Hashirama. But he was the next strongest in the whole senju clan, can use edo tensei, s/t and can use water jutsus without any hand signs. And if you think about it, Tobirama using sage mode is also on the cards.
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can't beat a rennigan user? but naruto,jiraiya,konohamaru and itachi can. i must've misread
The first you said, well in return. Rinnegan gives you the abilitie to control all basic elements, and we all know Mokuton has weakness; Fire/Enton and lighting. Shinra tensei can destroy the wood, and preta path can suck the life inside it (Ying chakra if I remember right).
Obito has 7 tailed beast, Rinnegan, gedo mazo and Kamui. Combine that together and you have a monster. Wanna look even more dumb?
Then you have readed wrong, because Minato said this ''His space time ninjutsu is better than lord second and mine as well'' - and I can prove you why Minato has better. Minato can teleport, and teleport is faster than speed it self. If Tobirama had better then he should just escape the 20 elite ninjas that killed him?
And yet you forget that Mito helped Hashirama in the fight. Hashirama can surpress chakra, that is why he had the benefit of fighting Kyuubi and Madara. However like I said Nagato and Obito can defeat Hashirama.
Indeed Tobirama can use Edo tensei... but you never know how he revived people. Maybe they just were weak? Or maybe he only revived people's soul with the Edo tensei? Orochimaru made it perfect so you cannot say he can use Edo tensei like Orochimaru and Kabuto can. And yes he have to do handsigns to create his water, however all of that is useless when you fight a Rinnegan user.
Tobirama using sage mode because his brother can? Ok, then I can say Obito can create the moon because Rikudou sennin was able to do so. Stupid right?
Naruto did defeat Six paths of pain with a lot of help from the Kyuubi, however Six paths of pain is a part of Nagato's jutsu so he did not defeat Nagato. Jiraya defeated one of six, and died. Konohamaru didnt even defeat one because that one got revived by naraka path.
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Dragonking43
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I think I know what your thinking but for jiraiya and konohamaru one or a couple paths of pain don't count as rinnegan users. they can only use one tech over and over again. Nagato, Madara, obito and the sage are the only true full users of the rinnegan. So unless they beat all six paths of pain like Naruto or sealed Nagato like Itachi, they haven't beaten a full rinnegan user
I would say thats probably accurate that he is almost as strong as his brother, but just developed in different ways then Hashirama. TobiRama is said to an absolute master of water Element, used S/T ninjutsu, and created the Edo tensei.
He is not fodder or he would have not been Hokage, Also he most likely Trained day in and out with his brother and learned to fight probably as well as his brother. Its most likely the same with Madara and Izuna Uchiha, Madara was always a little stronger then Izuna.
Same with Hashirama and Tobirama; Hashirama is obviously more powerful, but i don't think Tobirama isn't far behind him. Could he beat a rinnegan users? depends on how well he evaluates the situation and uses his abilties, just like a sharingan or rinnegan users use there skills.
Thats what I think anyways.
He is not fodder or he would have not been Hokage, Also he most likely Trained day in and out with his brother and learned to fight probably as well as his brother. Its most likely the same with Madara and Izuna Uchiha, Madara was always a little stronger then Izuna.
Same with Hashirama and Tobirama; Hashirama is obviously more powerful, but i don't think Tobirama isn't far behind him. Could he beat a rinnegan users? depends on how well he evaluates the situation and uses his abilties, just like a sharingan or rinnegan users use there skills.
Thats what I think anyways.
Don't act stupid, no way is anyone going to have fire/lightning release techniques as big as Hashirama's wood techniques, no way shinra tensei can do crap to Hashirama's wood tech, it was able to stop a TBB with ease, there is no soul inside Hashirama's wood so you cant pull anything out, also Hashirama has Sage Mode which would turn the path into stone.
We haven't seen Obito use the rinnegan, even at his most desperate moments, Gedo Mazo would be no problem. The only thing that Obito has that would be useful against Hashirama is Kamui, and if Hashirama uses bringer of darkness he can blind him and attack him anyhow.
And you know exactly.. what? Nagato is an Uzumaki, and have incredible with chakra. Ergo there is no need to use the basic elements because Nagato can use shinra tensei to blow it away/preta to suck the ying chakra inside the Mokuton.
You do know that Hashirama created the village by using his wood techniques? Well guess what shinra tensei did [
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].We haven't because he does not need to use it yet. He has already used Outher path to create Six paths of pain/Summoned the Gedo mazo which is Rinnegan. He has said to be able to revive Madara, and use Human path on Yamato.
Obito is a sensor ninja, bringer of darkness is like using a sword on him; nothing will happen. Kamui, gedo mazo, 7 tailed beast is overkill.
Shinra tensei isn't going to do anything to this
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except push it a little back, and if he uses it large scale he can't use it again for some time.
You can't just drain the chakra of a technique which is solid which is why preta is weak against taijutsu. Plus preta would just get crushed if he tried to drain chakra from woodm also he would turn some sort of stone since not everyone can handle sage chakra.
Konoha wasn't made from
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Gedo Mazo would get crushed in an instant, the tailed beast are no problem.
The only technique Obito has that may cause Hashirama trouble is Kamui.
the word is *read* not "readed" btw. Tobirama's s\t jutsu is also teleportation. If Tobirama had teleported out of there, then Hiruzan and the others would have been caught. Thats why he didnt run.
Did we see any trace of Mito in the flashbacks?? NO!! Maybe she is there. What did she do?? Hashi probably sealed the Kyuubi inside her. That was probably her only usefulness.
What do you mean by how he revived people. He revived people like the way others revived dead shinobi. And why would he go so far as to revive the dead who are WEAK?? Tobirama didnot develop the jutsu any further because there were problems with it. And as it turns out, Hashi also prevented him.
As for Tobirama's sage moDe... I know its off but what you are doing is giving a character analysis without even seeing that character in action. Therefore you are speculating a lot of stuff. Am I not allowed to speculate also??
You might argue that Minato said.... WAIT!! DID MINATO SEE THE 2nd IN ACTION AT ALL??
Yeahhh... last time I checked a bunch of Naruto clones can withstand Nagato's Shinra Tensei. He had to pretty kill himself to use a full powered one that barely did anything to anyone in the village, did nothing but blow up some houses and shit and he couldn't even use it afterwards for a long period of time. Hashi summoned something that dwarfs the Kyuubi.
I know this whole last chapter thing urks you cause you likely love all doujutsu users n stuff but come to your senses man.
