[Discussion] Mentally disabled US man faces execution Tuesday

[ROSH2]

I'm at a loss.

Dyslexia is a type of disability where someone frequently swaps the order of numbers, letters, or words when reading. It has nothing to do with one's ability to comprehend his/her actions (not that we need to be keeping people alive who cannot understand their actions, either).

Though I think he was trying to say that the only form of mental disability in which one could be held accountable for his/her actions was dyslexia - which is simply not true.

Every form of mental disability exists on a sort of gradient that has no quantifiable metric. In many cases, it's difficult to make a black-and-white determination about the person's objectives. "Mentally disabled" people often have minds that function just fine - they simply do not function the way that ours does. Their senses of values are way out of line with our own.

For example - a mentally 'disabled' person may kill someone simply out of curiosity. They weigh the potential to gain knowledge and insight about something as being far greater than the consequence and than the sense of moral behavior. They fully recognize that it is considered wrong and is not permitted in society.

Others may find the reactions given during death curious and even entertaining. They may understand that it causes loss and that it hurts others - but that may not really factor in when they decide to act.

In the end - it's a court's decision to determine whether or not a person was in control of their actions and would have or should have had an understanding of what he/she was doing.

Just because someone is mentally disabled doesn't mean they are incapable of comprehending their actions.

**** & bull story

 

[Aim64C]

As for your original question, if our country would put more money into schooling than the military things like this wouldn't happen.

The problem with schools today isn't a problem of funding, per se.

Throwing money at schools does not make them better. I've seen countless abuses of school funding (for example - a law was passed that the school could not have a soda machine in the cafeteria... so they built a cinderblock wall around part of it to comply with the law). Our school district built a new school a few years back and raised taxes to cover it. Fine. They rushed the construction and the foundation has been cracking all throughout the building.

Consider that half of what I was taught in elementary school was simply cultural and pseudo-scientific dogma - it's not my observation that money is the problem. Competence is. Far too many average people are put in charge of educating our children - people who are barely useful as trained monkeys, by my estimation, and have no business with a college degree.

And don't get me started on college degrees. Those things are depreciating faster than the dollar. When you start handing out more degrees per-capita, you do not increase the intelligence of the nation. All you do is increase the stupidity representing the degree. Genetic rejects need to be put in their place and not allowed to think they are relevant.

 

[Aim64C]

dude i read sinhala pychological books we don't care about english language

Dude, I've taken several college level psychology classes.

And I know how to use the language spoken by those I wish to communicate with.

 

[Crow.]

The problem with schools today isn't a problem of funding, per se.

Throwing money at schools does not make them better. I've seen countless abuses of school funding (for example - a law was passed that the school could not have a soda machine in the cafeteria... so they built a cinderblock wall around part of it to comply with the law). Our school district built a new school a few years back and raised taxes to cover it. Fine. They rushed the construction and the foundation has been cracking all throughout the building.

Consider that half of what I was taught in elementary school was simply cultural and pseudo-scientific dogma - it's not my observation that money is the problem. Competence is. Far too many average people are put in charge of educating our children - people who are barely useful as trained monkeys, by my estimation, and have no business with a college degree.

And don't get me started on college degrees. Those things are depreciating faster than the dollar. When you start handing out more degrees per-capita, you do not increase the intelligence of the nation. All you do is increase the stupidity representing the degree. Genetic rejects need to be put in their place and not allowed to think they are relevant.

I recant my previous statement, as you are correct. Maybe we, as a society, should focus more on schooling than arbitrary things?

 

[Nathan]

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Your motherf****ng human right rules breaking American law
Your great America Saying sri lankans are human right rule breaking killers but in my country in 2012 retarded man killed a health inspector we insted of exucution we put him in mental hospital.
what You free thinking guys/girls say about this unorthodox
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Okay your threads really annoy me, because you always compare things to your home county stop doing that.
He is mentally disabled cause of his IQ, he killed another inmate. Some states it's still legal for execution, that's there choice. I myself find execution should only be used for someone who has done something really terrible.

Also you need to stop with that biased opinion you seem to have. Let others have an opinion, whether or not they agree with you.

 

[BREAKD]

The problem with schools today isn't a problem of funding, per se.

Throwing money at schools does not make them better. I've seen countless abuses of school funding (for example - a law was passed that the school could not have a soda machine in the cafeteria... so they built a cinderblock wall around part of it to comply with the law). Our school district built a new school a few years back and raised taxes to cover it. Fine. They rushed the construction and the foundation has been cracking all throughout the building.

Consider that half of what I was taught in elementary school was simply cultural and pseudo-scientific dogma - it's not my observation that money is the problem. Competence is. Far too many average people are put in charge of educating our children - people who are barely useful as trained monkeys, by my estimation, and have no business with a college degree.

And don't get me started on college degrees. Those things are depreciating faster than the dollar. When you start handing out more degrees per-capita, you do not increase the intelligence of the nation. All you do is increase the stupidity representing the degree. Genetic rejects need to be put in their place and not allowed to think they are relevant.

I really doubt it that people becoming such 'psychological' dangerousness on just the education.
I think the main branch of the tree of madness is the home front.
Though I do not fully disagree with you, education sure has a big impact on that same tree,
but having a bad background that funds you that education (father is a drunk, beats you, mother
is a skank, ****s with the whole street, etc -> just examples) is in my eyes the main feeder
for creating people that want to 'experiment' in the ways you described earlier.

I would even say that your opinion and my opinion are rather connected closely for I think
that a bad background can only be solved with a proper education and visa versa.
So its relatively much the same.

 

[Aim64C]

I recant my previous statement, as you are correct. Maybe we, as a society, should focus more on schooling than arbitrary things?

There are plenty of things that we should be focusing on.

Schooling isn't really going to resolve the issue of mental disability.

We should, however be funding more advanced research into neurology and be making attempts to do in-depth neurological analysis of far wider sample groups within the population. The more we learn about neurology - the more we find our brain is kind of similar to our genetic differences. We all share some very common things and structures - but tiny differences here and there make huge differences in the long run. Our brains and neurology handle things differently from individual to individual - minor differences, but sifnificant when it comes to developing behavior models, treatments, etc.

Ironically enough - a lot of the research for these types of things is funded through the military. The SEALs wanted to know why their wash-out rate was so high and how to improve the success rate while achieving the same standards. The result was an exhaustive set of studies by a couple different research teams that focused on stress response and how different groups of people went about responding to these stresses.

But in the end - our government has decided it's best to simply give people a check so they will shut up and vote for them in the next election.

No conflict of interest, there.

 

[Zombie]

dude i read sinhala pychological books we don't care about english language

Then go find a Sri Lankan Naruto forums. You're obnoxious.

 

[Rayder]

dude i read sinhala pychological books we don't care about english language

Which is evident in your grammar and spelling. :sy:

 

[Crow.]

Schooling, well proper schooling, can solve quite a few of our problems.
And yes, I know schooling isn't the only thing we should focus on.

Maybe I should change my previous statement to research and schooling?
I agree fully with your first statement, about researching further into neurology.
And I don't know that that research took place, although it does make sense.

Our country has kind of a backwards way of attaining leaders eh?

Thanks for the morning debate bud. ^.^
Here, have some rep.

 

[Wang]

I promise you, no one in the US is aware that Sri Lanka exists!! We're not plotting against you, & our legal system does not involve you. Keep this up & I'm gonna come at you, bro.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Anyone know what a Sri Lanka is?

 

[BREAKD]

Anyone know what a Sri Lanka is?

A country/island located south form India located in the Laccadive sea.

 

[Space Cowboy]

A country/island located south form India located in the Laccadive sea.

Haha i was just joking.

 

[shelke]

I agree with people in regards to investment in research and schooling. Mentally unstable individuals should be considered a part of the society regardless of their status. I agree that they won't benefit the society in the long run, but in this regard most people with an average IQ don't end up supporting a nation as well. Proper programs and incentives should be there to handle such situations. I do believe this person shouldn't be put to death, but letting his loose again is also inhuman as he is liable to do this again. A proper care, or a rehabilitation centre should prove to be a proper sanctuary for such individuals.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

21 years on death row for killing a fellow inmate

Hill was originally serving a life sentence in prison for murdering his girlfriend.

What's so hard to understand that he took 2 lives?

 

[Souji]

Sorry, but this is wrong, no matter how you look at it. I'd rather have a mentally disabled person in therapy and an institution than be executed, regardless of crime.

 

[BREAKD]

Sorry, but this is wrong, no matter how you look at it. I'd rather have a mentally disabled person in therapy and an institution than be executed, regardless of crime.

I have to inform you that you cannot judge properly solely on feelings, as this is seems what you are doing.

 

[Aim64C]

Sorry, but this is wrong, no matter how you look at it. I'd rather have a mentally disabled person in therapy and an institution than be executed, regardless of crime.

Why?

Are you going to visit him?

Does he mean something to you?

I'm genuinely curious as to why you would be so adamant about keeping this man alive, on display in an institution - when he has clearly demonstrated that he is a hazard to those around him. Whether he is in control of his actions, or not, why is it that you feel he should be kept alive at all costs?

 

[BREAKD]

i don't see why this is a problem? He was sentenced to death and didn't learn from the consequences.
He kept doing what he did before, so I dont see a problem why such a person, regardless of what his IQ is,
should be kept alive. If people do things that are against the law, especially taking someone else' live they should
be put away for the rest of their life or be taken of it.

And you know why?
I'll give you a rather nice example

Belgium, Dendermonde.
2009, january the 23th. At 10 AM a man enters a daycare centre with a 12 inch long knife.
3 people are stabbed to death:

-Leon Garcia-Mannaert, a nine-month old boy,
-Corneel Vermeir, a nine-month old boy,
-Marita Blindeman, a 54-year-old child minder

12 were mutilated in the attack (all children under the age of 1)

After the arrested the guy, it came to light that earlier that day he also killed an elderly woman
living next to him (age 73).

This man was stated to 'be mentally ill', and will probably have a nice life in some sort of madman center
while a man like this perfectly knew what he was doing and the damage he was doing with it.
Do you really think a man like this deserves to live?

If you do, you sir, are the one that should be in that centre

I suggest everybody reading this before answering any further.
This happened FOR REAL.