Jiraiya CAN sense chakra in Sennin Mode! No one can sense Nagato.

[iSpeak the Truth]

Its pretty simple actually since they had just killed the paths and did not know there were six and that one could revive the others they let their guard down because they thought they had won.

That is nothing but an assumption. The Paths have to undetectable too. When Shima felt their presence in Konoha, it was her intuition and gut feeling, not her chakra sensing ability, otherwise Jiraiya would still be alive with both his arms intact.

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

That is nothing but an assumption. The Paths have to undetectable too. When Shima felt their presence in Konoha, it was her intuition and gut feeling, not her chakra sensing ability, otherwise Jiraiya would still be alive with both his arms intact.

So let me get this straight your saying that shima sensed one of the paths and pinned the summoning that it was in was a gut feeling. Besides they reacted with surprise when they were attack by the pain that ripped off Jiraiya's arm so your saying that two toads that were sensory types would let their guard down on something they couldn't sense.

 

[The Ultimate Super Sage]

That proved my point they did not know there were six paths.

also meaning that they could not sense them when summoned and they could not have been chakara-less to move

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

also meaning that they could not sense them when summoned and they could not have been chakara-less to move

Not really it seems more likely that Jiraiya and the toads just let their guard down or why else would the path say don't underestimate me.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

So let me get this straight your saying that shima sensed one of the paths and pinned the summoning that it was in was a gut feeling. Besides they reacted with surprise when they were attack by the pain that ripped off Jiraiya's arm so your saying that two toads that were sensory types would let their guard down on something they couldn't sense.

The summoned chameleon was a living animal. Shima didn't sense it's presence, her tongue tasted it's smell in the air and found it. That's why her tongue has a face and nostrils that flared up while looking for it.

Nagato and his Paths cannot be sensed Period.

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

The summoned chameleon was a living animal. Shima didn't sense it's presence, her tongue tasted it's smell in the air and found it. That's why her tongue has a face and nostrils that flared up while looking for it.

Nagato and his Paths cannot be sensed Period.

Lets assume they can't be sensed. Why would Jiraiya or his toads assume that they killed them when they can't be sensed?

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Lets assume they can't be sensed. Why would Jiraiya or his toads assume that they killed them when they can't be sensed?

Because they drove a damn sword through their chests and they stopped moving!

 

[The Ultimate Super Sage]

Not really it seems more likely that Jiraiya and the toads just let their guard down or why else would the path say don't underestimate me.

you have a point jiraiya let his guard down otherwise he wouldn't have lost his arm. however the point is that the pains are undetectable yes jiraiya lost because of his inability to sense the other paths that were previously summoned which was why they let their guard down. jiraiya had no idea of the other pains let his guard down and died on purpose. lady shima just had female intuition that it was pain because of his power.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

you have a point jiraiya let his guard down otherwise he wouldn't have lost his arm. however the point is that the pains are undetectable yes jiraiya lost because of his inability to sense the other paths that were previously summoned which was why they let their guard down. jiraiya had no idea of the other pains let his guard down and died on purpose. lady shima just had female intuition that it was pain because of his power.

Exactly.

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

you have a point jiraiya let his guard down otherwise he wouldn't have lost his arm. however the point is that the pains are undetectable yes jiraiya lost because of his inability to sense the other paths that were previously summoned which was why they let their guard down. jiraiya had no idea of the other pains let his guard down and died on purpose. lady shima just had female intuition that it was pain because of his power.

So please explain to me why anyone animal or not would let their guard on something they can't sense when they are sensory types?

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

Because they drove a damn sword through their chests and they stopped moving!

True but wouldn't you think that they might be fooling you

 

[Bogard]

You need concentration for sensing abilities anyway

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Shee is a sensor, yet he wasn't aware of Suigetsu's position only at the last second and almost got killed

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So the fact Jiraya wasn't able to sense them isn't enough to prove if he is a sensor or not simply because he wasn't even concentrating himself on it

 

[The Ultimate Super Sage]

So please explain to me why anyone animal or not would let their guard on something they can't sense when they are sensory types?

yes they should have been more aware but they had assured victory its just that the asura path is undetectable its made out of metal and has the piercings that conceal its presence. its like trying to sense a metal pipe in the hidden rain

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

yes they should have been more aware but they had assured victory its just that the asura path is undetectable its made out of metal and has the piercings that conceal its presence. its like trying to sense a metal pipe in the hidden rain

This debate could go on for a long time. I wish Kishi would explain if Sage mode increases your abilities or gives you sensing abilities. Really they can't be sense well this link begs to differ

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[The Ultimate Super Sage]

This debate could go on for a long time. I wish Kishi would explain if Sage mode increased your abilities. Really they can't be sense well this link begs to differ

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you win i had forgotten about the barrier so yea they let their guard down and lost he should have been more concerned and he should have made an immediate exit

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I do not think so. Firstly after jiraiya did naruto show sensing and frog katas a trade mark of those i believe who have mastered sm. Jiraiya showed neither.

Concerning the thread. Jiraiya relied on Tengai Hōjin in base to pick Deva path and his chameleon.
Even after getting into sm, he didn't seem like he could sense them and rather relied on shima to use Zessenbaku to locate Deva

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Shima and Fukasaku can sense, they are a part of Jiraiya's Sage Mode, hence Jiraiya can sense chakra in Sage Mode. Get it?

This debate could go on for a long time. I wish Kishi would explain if Sage mode increases your abilities or gives you sensing abilities. Really they can't be sense well this link begs to differ

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Oh my god! :sy:

That is a movement barrier! Not a chakra sensing barrier! If anything touches or goes through that barrier Jiraiya will know immediately! And Jiraiya is in normal form, he cannot sense chakra without Sage Mode.

 

[avenged sevenfold]

it is one of the sage modes abilities. naruto could do the same thing

 

[lsgteam]

Nice find

 

[Klad]

Very true. You are good at theories.

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

That is a movement barrier! Not a chakra sensing barrier! If anything touches or goes through that barrier Jiraiya will know immediately! And Jiraiya is in normal form, he cannot sense chakra without Sage Mode.

This is really getting old how could naruto realize that the real one was not among them if he could not sense them. On a side its proven here in the link that they could be sensed because if they couldn't be sensed then how did Kakashi find one with a ocular power that senses charka

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