[VS] (DrProof) vs (Kages) Team Mizukage vs Team Tsuchikage! (Debate)

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Team Mizukage vs Team Tsuchikage


This will be a debate against DrProof, and Kages, 2nd Mizukage/Orochimaru will be represented by yours truly (DrProof) while as Muu/Jiraiya will be represented by the Great Kages!

Location:
Gaara vs Kimimaro

Intel:
Manga Knowledge


Restrictions:
No Edo Tensei and Senju DNA/No Frog Song


Rules


  • Manga Proof Only
  • Must Not Double-Post
  • Do not post a winner, If You Aren't A Judge



Kages you may have the first move.


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(This debate will last 3 days)


 
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Arms for Oro i'm assuming? Either way sounds like a great debate!
 

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i personal think team mu has a large advantage

mu has far more impressive feats then mizukage imo and oro with endos = jman with frog song and i dont think taking them away is even giving jman the edge. looking forwarded to be proven wrong though, gl and hf to both
 

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i personal think team mu has a large advantage

mu has far more impressive feats and oro with endos = jman with frog song and i dont think taking them away is even giving jman the edge. looking forwarded to be proven wrong though, gl and hf to both

Yep, I was just thinking how Proof was going to counter Muu.
 

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i personal think team mu has a large advantage

mu has far more impressive feats and oro with endos = jman with frog song and i dont think taking them away is even giving jman the edge. looking forwarded to be proven wrong though, gl and hf to both

They might have a large advantage, however I'll do my best to pull through it.
 

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No Frog Song huh? This should be harder than I thought. Give me a few minutes
 

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No Frog Song huh? This should be harder than I thought. Give me a few minutes

You dare think I'd take away Edo Tensei without taking away the OP Sound Genjutsu! You still have Particle Style :|
 

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No Frog Song huh? This should be harder than I thought. Give me a few minutes

what ? lol if it was allowed you can make a sound debate on how mu can keep them away from jman long enogh to make the song and once the song is acted out its game over
 

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Yep, I was just thinking how Proof was going to counter Muu.
Just you watch. ;)
what ? lol if it was allowed you can make a sound debate on how mu can keep them away from jman long enogh to make the song and once the song is acted out its game over
frog song would solo. Muu spams Jiton (which would be hard to counter due to this match up) and boom frog song activated? Team 2 stomps xd
 

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Interesting fight, but since I'm not in it or a judge I won't comment on it.
 

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Just you watch. ;)

frog song would solo. Muu spams Jiton (which would be hard to counter due to this match up) and boom frog song activated? Team 2 stomps xd

my last debate related post xD

proof can make a sound point of that muu cant use jinton but once by noting how endos have unlimited chacra and 50% muu cant due it. That could mean that jinton takes over 50% of his chacra wile there are other explanations such as him not having the elements needed wile split this is possible as he may have just not mastered it making the coast so high. anyway lol looking forward to your debate.
 

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Just you watch. ;)

frog song would solo. Muu spams Jiton (which would be hard to counter due to this match up) and boom frog song activated? Team 2 stomps xd

Drproof both have counters for Jiton, even their summonings. Muu for sure cant solol and since this is current Orochimaru you can consider Zetsu feats, no?
 

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my last debate related post xD

proof can make a sound point of that muu cant use jinton but once by noting how endos have unlimited chacra and 50% muu cant due it. That could mean that jinton takes over 50% of his chacra wile there are other explanations such as him not having the elements needed wile split this is possible as he may have just not mastered it making the coast so high. anyway lol looking forward to your debate.

Why do you call them endos? :p It's Edo's I though? xd

Anyhow you make a good point. But also Jiraiya nor muu have any sealing techs I believe so they cannot beat Edo Tensei.

Drproof both have counters for Jiton, even their summonings. Muu for sure cant solol and since this is current Orochimaru you can consider Zetsu feats, no?

Nah Zetsu feats are a no. However I don't see their counters for Jinton just yet, they both have a 50/50 chance of beating the other team to my knowledge.
 

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Why do you call them endos? :p It's Edo's I though? xd

Anyhow you make a good point. But also Jiraiya nor muu have any sealing techs I believe so they cannot beat Edo Tensei.

the sword seals that jman had, and idk why i have certain spelling mistakes that i will make for the rest of my life lol. They cant beat it but like i said and have proved in our conversations that the manga can be twisted a bit in your favor this is one of those situations
 

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the sword seals that jman had, and idk why i have certain spelling mistakes that i will make for the rest of my life lol. They cant beat it but like i said and have proved in our conversations that the manga can be twisted a bit in your favor this is one of those situations

Nah, I just want to leave it as it is. It's more interesting. Winning isn't my goal. Exploiting techniques, now that is my goal.
 

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The thing is, we've never really seen Orochimaru fight. We've seen him use Edo Tensei against Hiruzen, yes, but aside from that he really wasn't doing much. After that, he had his arms sealed the whole time.

Now, with Hashirama's DNA (the definition of hack), which has already allowed him to amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei (although Edo Tensei isn't allowed in this fight, I'm using it as an example of the difference Hashirama's DNA makes), he's leagues above whatever we've seen him do before.

Orochimaru's true power as of now is a variable, however, I do say it's safe to say that it's above the likes of SM Jiraiya.

No further comments until the end (nobody was talking about Orochimaru, although I could go on about the Nidaime Mizukage until the end).
 

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The thing is, we've never really seen Orochimaru fight. We've seen him use Edo Tensei against Hiruzen, yes, but aside from that he really wasn't doing much. After that, he had his arms sealed the whole time.

Now, with Hashirama's DNA (the definition of hack), which has already allowed him to amplify the restraining properties of Edo Tensei (although Edo Tensei isn't allowed in this fight, I'm using it as an example of the difference Hashirama's DNA makes), he's leagues above whatever we've seen him do before.

Orochimaru's true power as of now is a variable, however, I do say it's safe to say that it's above the likes of SM Jiraiya.

No further comments until the end (nobody was talking about Orochimaru, although I could go on about the Nidaime Mizukage until the end).
Senju DNA is restricted. I put all restriction in the OP
 

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How Jiraiya and Muu can beat Orochimaru and Second Mizukage​

Jiraiya dealing with Orochimaru's Snakes

Orochimaru has summoned snakes on several occasions, wether they are large, or small snakes. A way Jiraiya can counter all of Orochimaru's large snakes is with his Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld. Jiraiya ,but Jiraiya's chakra was drugged so Jiraiya was no where near full power. Another way for Jiraiya to capture and kill the large snakes ultimately

Jiraiya against the thousands of tiny snakes will be quite a challenge, however Jiraiya's can kill most of them with ease If some of them get too close, Jiraiya's can take care of them, making all of them disperse.

Dealing with Manda

Manda will be harder to deal with than the regular large snake Summonings of Orochimaru. One way to deal with Manda is for Jiraiya to in the eye, Don't say Jiraiya can't jump high enough to kick Manda's eye, because Muu can also give him the ability to fly, if he can do that. Anyway after Jiraiya kicks it in they eye, blinding it, Muu will ,which takes him not very long.

Countering Second Mizukage's Genjutsu and Clam

A way to counter the Genjutsu is for Jiraiya to use to sense anything that is around him, enabling him to tell where the Clam is and destroy it, Jiraiya's frogs may also break him out of the Genjutsu. A way for Jiraiya to destroy the Clam is by - the Clam or Second Mizukage have no counter. Muu can fly so he doesn't get hit by it, and don't forget that so that he will also know where the Clam is. The Clam will be destroyed by Sage Art: Goemen as the oil mixed with the fire and wind will cause it to explode.

Jiraiya's Summons against Eight Branches

Jiraiya's summons can defeat Eight Branches for many reasons, Gamabunta has a to cut off their heads, Gamaken has that can keep the heads together as Gamabunta slices them off, and Jiraiya can use to keep them together and crush them as well. will also be capable of hurting Eight Branches. I know Orochimaru will just come back together and shed his skin, but he can't do that forever and it won't be so easy for him.

Jiraiya Prep Time

You might ask how Jiraiya can go into Sage Mode that quick, well, just like last time, Jiraiya will summon one of his frogs to keep the enemy company as he proceeds to enter Sage Mode. That, and Muu can help him this time. can have one of his bodies protect Jiraiya as he goes into Sage Mode, which will only take not very long.

How to Defeat the Second Mizukage

Mu can tell if the Second Mizukage is a clone or not because of his sensing abilities, so they would know if the Mizukage is a clone or not to kill him before he uses Joki Boy. He can hydrify at almost anything, but not at Sage Art: Goemen. This technique would make him burn up and even worse if he was water. His Water Gun technique can be tanked by Jiraiya, because Jiraiya and could still fight. Another way to defeat him is by continuously spamming so that Second Mizukage reaches a boiling point if he turns into water and it's clear that he would die if he was stable.


Btw, just so you know, I'm saying my team would only by feats. Personally, I think that your team would win only if Frog Song was restricted. If Frog Song wasn't restricted, it would be a tie, but by feats, I think my team would have the upper hand.
 
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How Jiraiya and Muu can beat Orochimaru and Second Mizukage​

Jiraiya dealing with Orochimaru's Snakes

Orochimaru has summoned snakes on several occasions, wether they are large, or small snakes. A way Jiraiya can counter all of Orochimaru's large snakes is with his Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld. Jiraiya ,but Jiraiya's chakra was drugged so Jiraiya was no where near full power. Another way for Jiraiya to capture and kill the large snakes ultimately

Jiraiya against the thousands of tiny snakes will be quite a challenge, however Jiraiya's can kill most of them with ease If some of them get too close, Jiraiya's can take care of them, making all of them disperse.

Dealing with Manda

Manda will be harder to deal with than the regular large snake Summonings of Orochimaru. One way to deal with Manda is for Jiraiya to in the eye, Don't say Jiraiya can't jump high enough to kick Manda's eye, because Muu can also give him the ability to fly, if he can do that. Anyway after Jiraiya kicks it in they eye, blinding it, Muu will ,which takes him not very long.

Countering Second Mizukage's Genjutsu and Clam

A way to counter the Genjutsu is for Jiraiya to use to sense anything that is around him, enabling him to tell where the Clam is and destroy it, Jiraiya's frogs may also break him out of the Genjutsu. A way for Jiraiya to destroy the Clam is by - the Clam or Second Mizukage have no counter. Muu can fly so he doesn't get hit by it, and don't forget that so that he will also know where the Clam is. The Clam will be destroyed by Sage Art: Goemen as the oil mixed with the fire and wind will cause it to explode.

Jiraiya's Summons against Eight Branches

Jiraiya's summons can defeat Eight Branches for many reasons, Gamabunta has a to cut off their heads, Gamaken has that can keep the heads together as Gamabunta slices them off, and Jiraiya can use to keep them together and crush them as well. will also be capable of hurting Eight Branches. I know Orochimaru will just come back together and shed his skin, but he can't do that forever and it won't be so easy for him.

Jiraiya Prep Time

You might ask how Jiraiya can go into Sage Mode that quick, well, just like last time, Jiraiya will summon one of his frogs to keep the enemy company as he proceeds to enter Sage Mode. That, and Muu can help him this time. can have one of his bodies protect Jiraiya as he goes into Sage Mode, which will only take not very long.

How to Defeat the Second Mizukage

Mu can tell if the Second Mizukage is a clone or not because of his sensing abilities, so they would know if the Mizukage is a clone or not to kill him before he uses Joki Boy. He can hydrify at almost anything, but not at Sage Art: Goemen. This technique would make him burn up and even worse if he was water. His Water Gun technique can be tanked by Jiraiya, because Jiraiya and could still fight. Another way to defeat him is by continuously spamming so that Second Mizukage reaches a boiling point if he turns into water and it's clear that he would die if he was stable.


Btw, just so you know, I'm saying my team would only by feats. Personally, I think that your team would win only if Frog Song was restricted. If Frig Song wasn't restricted, it would be a tie, but by feats, I think my team would have the upper hand.

You've improved since our last debate. That I like. ;) Good Counter (reading it now), also don't bring your team down like that! They have good chances to win.
 
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