What i really don't understand is why Hashirama is all that when Tobirama is his brother by blood, by parents.. It's still Tobirama SENJU... What.. No Senju cells for Tobirama to break free out of Oro's fake senju dna? Lol ?
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 620 Discussion and 621 Predictions
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Re: What Hashirama will say to Sasuke
This. Sasuke will be changed by Naruto. Naruto will defeat Obito (That's why the 4th sealed Kurama in him after all) Hashi will defeat Madara
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I would not call this chapter boring there was no combat however there was important story development. And about itachi....*ahem* take a look at my pic who he is bowing to.
It appears as though you have either not read my post or you just did not understand my post because I never said hiruzen was stronger than hashirama. Hashirama is clearly the strongest however I said hiruzen may be stronger than tobirama hashis brother. Also I said that I could be wrong about that since tobirama did train hiruzen however yes students can surpass the teachers and I think hiruzen in his prime surpassed tobirama. I do not follow the rest of the fan boys here because clearly many are blinded about tobirama and even minato. All I am doing is giving my opinion that hiruzen should not be underestimated and hiruzen may be the second strongest hokage in his edo tensei state due to his vast knowledge old age and with his ET unlimited chakra.
1st hokage strongest only the so6p is stronger than him.
2nd hokage strong but his short temper and hot head is a big weakness in my book
3rd hokage was the only hokage to be the hokage for the longest period of time I think he and tobirama can compete for 2nd place.
4th hokage was the student of hiruzen and jiraiya however orochimaru would have been hokage had he not been corrupted.
so the point is tobirama and minato have way too much fan boys and I had to defend hiruzen. Yes hashirama is the strongest I never said otherwise.
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U mad?
Hiruzen was considered to be a pervert at his prime, and not so much of a fighter. Different case with Minato, he was considered to be a real genius, one that occurs once in a century, flying thunder god jutsu vs oldman = blonde wins.
Here's an example.
Minato > Tobi
Tobi > Orochimaru
Sasuke > Orochimaru
Your logic is broken man, total outer space.
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Re: What Hashirama will say to Sasuke
nah sasuke gotta stay alive to face naruto, so that fight isn't gonna happen against hashirama
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Durante what a illogical post I was replying to a post that was way more logical and the person at least was sincere. I wish I could say the same for your post as it is based purely on fan boy ism and maybe one day you will see the light. I am not here to waste anybodys time going back and forth with you. Please dont bother replying or dragging this out any further. The only thing I did like about your post was how much of a laugh your character comaprisons gave me.
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Instead of coming up with something to debate with him/her, you with an ad hominem assault.
Lame.
sage modenaruto
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Theres no point providing an argument to the person who is right in his own mind, as he is not prepared to even evaluate his opponents points. In either case, your not half bad of a debater yourself, peabrain.
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That is why I am not going to continue back and forth behavior and get personal insults landed at me for no reason other than fan boy ism.
All I said was my defense against all the tobirama and minato fanboys that are underestimating hiruzen. Btw I am not mad at this guy I think he is funny in a way but now since it has resorted to name calling I rest my case.
I simply think the 1st hokage hashirama is clearly the strongest but I think its debatable who the second strongest is now that they all have unlimited chakra and healing. However since tobirama is the only one who has a hot head I see that as a major weakness compared to the others.
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I wish people would at least read my post before attacking out of fanboy love.
Gosh, give me a break, can you atleast point out where does any post of yours make atleast any sense?
On topic: Hiruzen is too old to be on par with any of the kages, his speed doesn't even come to be comparable to Minato's who claimed by Jiraiya is was one of the most gifted shinobi who ever lived (and was also believed to be one of the strongest shinobi that ever existed, (His abilities were so far advanced that even the Fourth Raikage thought that no one would be able to surpass him.),
And well of the third hokage, in the konoha invasion arc he barely held off the first and two hokages, summoning Enma afterwards, if not for the dead demon seal which he also learned from Minato, I can imagine he would have been in trouble.
So no, there is no fanboyism here that you so boldly claim, perhaps only on your part. I'm giving up on arguing with you either way, cause you can just say well, he was a god of shinobi in his prime, well ye, maybe ur right, except the part that we have yet to see that in the manga or wherever, and there is no point in putting one higher above the higher, since one hasn't ever reached his prime, while the other is too old, making all of this urs frustrated tittle-tattle meaningless.
This your defense, all you did was trashtalked of your obsessed fanboyism and my supposed illogical post, never mind the fact that you didin't even write one single clean argument..
It's the dillusional mentality of yours that is insulting you, not me. Though, I wish, you of all people, wouldn't repeat the same blabbering on every post, you don't even know my opinion on this matter, your wacked, totally. Prejudiced assumptions.
On topic: Hiruzen is too old to be on par with any of the kages, his speed doesn't even come to be comparable to Minato's who claimed by Jiraiya is was one of the most gifted shinobi who ever lived (and was also believed to be one of the strongest shinobi that ever existed, (His abilities were so far advanced that even the Fourth Raikage thought that no one would be able to surpass him.),
And well of the third hokage, in the konoha invasion arc he barely held off the first and two hokages, summoning Enma afterwards, if not for the dead demon seal which he also learned from Minato, I can imagine he would have been in trouble.
So no, there is no fanboyism here that you so boldly claim, perhaps only on your part. I'm giving up on arguing with you either way, cause you can just say well, he was a god of shinobi in his prime, well ye, maybe ur right, except the part that we have yet to see that in the manga or wherever, and there is no point in putting one higher above the higher, since one hasn't ever reached his prime, while the other is too old, making all of this urs frustrated tittle-tattle meaningless.
This chapter was not so bad all things considered. But the manga ain't what it was early on infact its a sad manga becus of of the worst things; zombies, corny weak plots and zombies. Why would you bring back people that already died and how stupid is it that nearly every body who was broughtt back found their way to and faught someone whom they had unresolved issues with. Honestly it was doomed from failure because the premise of the show was a talentless butt hardworking kid eventually gaining acceptance while tryingg to achieve his goal of becoming hokage. But he can't be talentless when his father is the fourth hokage, which if u have half a brain u saw coming. Now sasuke is talking to the former hokages; wow. I would bet that the hokages end up fighting madara since he was so strong that the five kages couldn't make him sweat even though one of them is a seinen. Did the class of ninja really drop down that much? By making madara super strong u make every one else seem super weak. Maybe if itachi were alive he could have stood a chance because the manga is just that stupid. Also not important but I really wish he would have killed shikamaru instead of neji who was not important in shippuuden at all so we should have seen that coming. I really don't like shikimaru
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Well this response was alot better than your first I give you that. Anyhow time for the facts 1st of all the dead summoning seal is not a seal that minato invented. Actually, its a seal that the uzumaki clan developed and it just so happens that minato was the first to use it since kushinas family members are uzamaki. Minato never taught hiruzen that move actually hiruzen copied that move or learned it else where in his vast lifetime that he lived and reigned as hokage. And yes Jiraiya praised him as being a gifted and talented shinobi but to say what you have said means minato is more gifted and talented than Hashirama.
I like minato but just remember he was a replacement hokage since orochimaru had evil ways. Hiruzen more than likely knew that technique and hiruzen trained directly under the 1st and 2nd hokages. Minato was a great hokage no doubt but in no way will I entertain the notion that he is better than the 3 hokages that came before him.
I am sorry everyone for wasting your time on a thread that is really about the chapter discussion not a character war.
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2Lazy2Post
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Can you guys take your argument to some other thread so those who actually want to discuss the manga chapter and not participate in a flame war don't have to deal with it.
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Well like I said I am sorry 2lazy and frankly I saw this coming. Whatever though the next chapter is going to be more much needed story then after this month things will pick up again and the hokages will head to war after the next two chapters.
What I want to see is what exactly happened to the 5 kage and I really want hashirama to heal them with his amazing medical nijitsu. I think he will will create multiple clones or has already done that and nobody was aware of this lol. I also want to see captain yamato and anko and kabuto remember them. The 1st hokage power is so crazy I have a feeling yamato is in for a huge power up.
What I want to see is what exactly happened to the 5 kage and I really want hashirama to heal them with his amazing medical nijitsu. I think he will will create multiple clones or has already done that and nobody was aware of this lol. I also want to see captain yamato and anko and kabuto remember them. The 1st hokage power is so crazy I have a feeling yamato is in for a huge power up.
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Was hashiramas healing ability an actual medical ninjutsu or just an innate ability due to his senju lineage?
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