[Discussion] i think Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama

[Gambitz1]

Its just that when u compare Madara who has so much with the sharingan (reading movements etc), susano (perfect or not) and Kurama (however long he can use him) compared to Hashi who just had his wood tech, hashi had to be pretty impressive to come out the victor (with difficulty of course). I mean.....the golem catching the TBB and sending it back.......never knew anyone could handle it.

 

[shinobi no kami]

With Madara Having Rinnegan, EMS, And All Of Hashi's Wood Tech.. i Still Think Madara Can Win Over Hashi On Their Upcoming Rematch ( If Kishi Will Let them Have 1v1 )

And.. Keep In mind That Madara has Perfect Susanoo Now. :shrug:

Your Thoughts? Anyone can say their Opinion. And Also, im Not a Madara Fanboy

Few things to consider...
According to Tobirama, he and Hashi are still not at their full power in their current Edo form, as opposed to Edo Madara; which Kabuto clearly states was brought back at/ or above his prime!

That said, I still bet on Hashi... I think when Edo Madara is kicking ass and in spite of using his newly acquired techs still says "the only person who can defeat me is Hashirama" I tend to believe him.

 

[Gambitz1]

One thing though, i kind of find Madara a bit careless. Why in the world would you use a bijuu against the guy that caught them all and distributed them. Am i alone on that?

 

[shinobi no kami]

Sheer desperation. The simple fact that he will always be just Vegeta to Hashi's Goku.

 

[arv993]

Hashirama was stated to be in possession of multiple biju at once. He distributed them, what if he didn't? What if he used them to aid him against EMS Madara? Oh wait, he didn't have to.

Saying they were tied is baseless. It's manga fact that even at his best, EMS Madara was taken down and left on life-support for the rest of his days, and Hashirama walked away from the fight. Furthermore, if they were equal, why did EMS Madara need to get Kurama, the most powerful biju besides obviously the Juubi, to help fight against Hashirama? Why did Hashirama still win?!

Saying that Kurama became a disadvantage to EMS Madara is also just an assumption. Obito's not the same as EMS Madara.

did they ever say he could use it in battle or as effectively as madara no there is no feats for that so no you can't use it as an argument.

And learn to read the battle was not short and what did minato specifically say that madara could not maintain the kyubi for long and if minato is right why would kyubbi not attack the man that brutally controlled him. That is speulation on my part but facts are facts madara and hashirama ended all their previous battles in ties.

If he was so above madara why didnt he kill him at a time of war, and no madara was on life support during his end of days he wasnt that way for his whole life otherwise he could not move or give his rinnegan to nagato the gedo mazo was even summoned at the end of his life not right after VOTE battle as seen here

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and as you can see here also he didn't seem to be on life support here as well

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why did madara need kyuubi is because he might have thought it would have put him over the top but it didnt and could have went not as exactly as he planned and all the other previous fights they had do matter as no one was a clear victor and that isnt baseless but very important

and hashirama didnt exactly walk away well he too must have been weakened significantly to die in a war but i don't know the exact details so its speculation but stop making u your own story and saying pointless stuff like madara was on life support as the result of the fight which is clearly not true

 

[Gambitz1]

Sheer desperation. The simple fact that he will always be just Vegeta to Hashi's Goku.

Nicely put. He has the capability to beat Hashi, but his arrogance/pride brings him up short. He lacks the "will of fire"....Hahaha

 

[shinobi no kami]

I would bet my left nut ( and that's my favorite one!) that the only reason for the previous stalemates is because Hashi (like Goku) lacks that killer instinct.

 

[Gambitz1]

@ arv993. Thing is that was Obito looking at Nagato, not Madara. Madara had died at the point Obito found Nagato by unplugging himself. He definately did not need the gedou mazou till later. But can u exactly explain the gedou mazou? I mean i thought the Juubi's body was trapped "inside" the moon. so whats all this about an empty shell? never understood that.

 

[arv993]

@ arv993. Thing is that was Obito looking at Nagato, not Madara. Madara had died at the point Obito found Nagato by unplugging himself. He definately did not need the gedou mazou till later. But can u exactly explain the gedou mazou? I mean i thought the Juubi's body was trapped "inside" the moon. so whats all this about an empty shell? never understood that.

no i meant that madara had already had given nagato rinnegan prior to that event which is why i am saying he was not on life support for his whole life.

The gedo mazou is the empty vessel of the juubi or to be more precise its physical body and it was in the moon until madara the orginal rinnegan user after the sage summoned it back to the earth and here is the scan for that. Basically the moon is a super chibaku tensei(like the one nagato used) and it held the jubi's empty body that was the gedo mazou and the tailed beasts were splitting of jubi's chakra in nine parts which are the tailed beasts

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[LolaxXx]

How the heck does Edo Hashirama defear Edo Madara.
He has shown to be able to use Hashirama's best jutsu ( Wood Clone, Wood Dragon, etc.)
Perfect Susanoo which is the biggest thing besides Juubi
EMS powers
Absorb chakra
Repel anything
Attract anything
Rip out souls
Revive the dead
Insert his will into a corpse and control it

Unless Edo Hashi has some special seals, Edo madara is unstoppable.

 

[cmontesi]

How the heck does Edo Hashirama defear Edo Madara.
He has shown to be able to use Hashirama's best jutsu ( Wood Clone, Wood Dragon, etc.)
Perfect Susanoo which is the biggest thing besides Juubi
EMS powers
Absorb chakra
Repel anything
Attract anything
Rip out souls
Revive the dead
Insert his will into a corpse and control it

Unless Edo Hashi has some special seals, Edo madara is unstoppable.

And you based this on... assumptions?

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Well we still don't know if rinnegan is required for PS so he could have had it when he fought Hashirama.

In the original Hashirama vs. Madara fight it was Madara with Kyuubi vs. Hashirama.

If the have a 1v1 now it would be Rinnegan/mokuton Madara vs. Hashirama.

I'd say Hashi still would at least have a chance at winning since he could beat madara + nine tails.

Realistically if they end up fighting Naruto will probably be backing Hashirama. If the Kages end up on the battlefield I don't know WTF will happen..

 

[Harry Balzac]

Hashirama's Mokuton is better than Madara's.

cool. now prove it

 

[Serotonin]

Rinnegan users > Hashirama.

including nagato

 

[MarkPaul]

I hate to admit it but Hashi will lose. Edo Madara cheated

 

[sdam]

I think we need to see how powerful Hashirama really is before we begin to discuss who is stronger... !, but eventually it's still hard to believe that Hashirama can stand up to Madara. Because now he has the Rinnegan and is able to use Wood Style.....

 

[Dark Slayer]

Edo Madara ftw!

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama>madara is stated, foreshadowed and portrayed in canon. madara supporters dont have a leg to stand on.

 

[TimBone]

Maybe no one can match Hashi's wood style no matter how hard they try? I dunno we'll have to wait and see.

Madara is OP though, super OP.

 

[Danielxp6]

madara takes it in ablity and techniques but hashirama can seal him anytime if hes edo