[Discussion] EMS Madara had perfect susanoo?

[iKaras]

The EMS susanoo Madara uses in the previous chapter is the one Kishi calls the perfect susanoo.

In chapter 589 He stabilize that perfect form then calls it the complete Susanoo.

In chapter 592 He then say to the five Kages-

Madara: "Well then...The complete Susanoo...It is said that anyone who has seen it dies. It would be a disgrace to pull it out again...after withdrawing it once."



-Now that its confirmed he's was using the Perfect Susanoo vs Hashirama...a couple questions came to mind.

A. Does Stabilizing Susanoo require a Rinnegan?

1-A. And if not, why does Madara make such a dead serious statement to the five kages when he uses this Susanoo against Hashi?

B.Was some of Madara elders running around with complete Susanoo as well?


P.S. Its been stated time and time again Hashirama walks away the winner. (ALIVE)

 

[Vex]

You only need EMS for full Susanno.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

I think that the one he used in the flashback is complete, while the one used against the 5 Kage was perfect.

 

[RedShinobi]

Madara does have a complete susanoo, but my fav one is itachi's because his susanoo holds the totsuka blade and the yata mirror, itachi's susanoo has a chance of standing up to madaras

 

[Itachi Rane]

i think he had perfect susanoo while he was alive with EMS...maybe he didn't use it just to preserve chakra....

 

[Klad]

Oi!! How can Susano'o need an Rinnegan ? Susano'o is a jutsu that is supposed the owner is only an Uchiha.

 

[iKaras]

You only need EMS for full Susanno.

That's one of the issues. Either Madara's felt like lying to the kages *Which would make zero sense* or Kishi just forgot about what Madara said to the Kages regarding the complete Susanoo

 

[Draphsin]

Madara's perfect susanoo is the one where his chakra is stabilized, when its not its just the regular completed version (chapter 620). Madara didnt use PS during the small flashback we got but that doesnt mean he cant use it.

 

[iKaras]

Oi!! How can Susano'o need an Rinnegan ? Susano'o is a jutsu that is supposed the owner is only an Uchiha.

I was asking was a Rinnegan needed to make the Susanoo stabilize into that huge Samurai.

 

[iKaras]

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This is one of the issues im having if he did have access to the Perfect Susanoo in the past vs Hashirama.

 

[Horus]

The one he used in the kages fight was stabilized perfect susanoo, while the hasirama fight, as shown so far was complete

 

[Turson]

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-> Oonoki asks why Madara didnt use PS (stbilized) when they fought in the past, Madara basically answers that it would be ungraceful to fight seriously against a kid. PS is an EMS technique, it ws never said that you need Rinnegan in order to use it.

Moreover, at the time when Madara awakened Rinnegan he was already so weak that it would be impossible for him to use technique of such calliber.

 

[JDuzumaki92]

If Madara wasn't just sitting around, letting the Juubi do everything, we would know more about it.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

A. Does Stabilizing Susanoo require a Rinnegan?

I believe that the user doesn't need the Rinnegan to use "Perfect Susanoo Stabilized." Perhaps the user just needs Senju DNA. For the "Complete Susanoo" you need the Mangekyo Sharingan.

If that was the case, then Nagato/Deva Pein would of had a Susanoo.

 

[Honord Sage]

They were using the Juubi thinking it was enough but it isn't Naruto severed their connection so now it's to plan B Obito and Madara using their own powers, but is that's enough for them to even equal Naruto.

 

[iKaras]

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-> Oonoki asks why Madara didnt use PS (stbilized) when they fought in the past, Madara basically answers that it would be ungraceful to fight seriously against a kid. PS is an EMS technique, it ws never said that you need Rinnegan in order to use it.

Moreover, at the time when Madara awakened Rinnegan he was already so weak that it would be impossible for him to use technique of such calliber.

Okay so from that you're saying this is the first time he's used a Perfect Susanoo? I can go with that but that leads to my second question regarding Madara's elders/ancestors because of this

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If what you said is true then other uchiha before Madara's time had Perfect stabilized Susanoo(s) as well.

 

[Stark]

Yup

 

[iKaras]

I believe that the user doesn't need the Rinnegan to use "Perfect Susanoo Stabilized." Perhaps the user just needs Senju DNA. For the "Complete Susanoo" you need the Mangekyo Sharingan.

If that was the case, then Nagato/Deva Pein would of had a Susanoo.

I'm not saying Rinnegan gives you "a" Susanoo. I Kinda believe it would enhance a Susanoo person (A) already owns.

Example:

MS Sasuke - The last time he uses his Susanoo vs Kakashi was one form then...

EMS Sasuke - As soon as the bandages come off the Susanoo took a drastic change. Look real similar to Madara's EMS *un-stabilized?* Susanoo.

Rinnegan Sasuke - (Final Evolution of Sharingan) ...No change for Susanoo?

I pretty much thought of it like that.

 

[VongolaX]

the chapter we just seen shows madara stabalizing PS, look at the Susanoo's hands and you'll see its charging. Next chapter you will see complete perfect susanoo. PS is an EMS technique.

 

[Omnipotent]

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Note the quotation marks. Going by technicalities, Hashirama did die, did he not?