Hashirama > Nagato

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Why don't you think before you post? He died of chakra exhaustion the first time and Kabuto had him under control the second. You can say the exact same thing for Hashirama got killed in a ninja war and stop by Hiruzen therefore he's weaker than X.



No it isn't the same size as a tbb, not even close.


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Get over yourself, madara's susanoo and hashriama's wooden god are bigger than the ninetails. Even nagato souldn't hold the eight tailed naruto
 

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Get over yourself, madara's susanoo and hashriama's wooden god are bigger than the ninetails. Even nagato souldn't hold the eight tailed naruto

That pictures just the Kyuubi. Here's chibaku tensei which covers an entire mountain range. The fist the tbb was caught was clearly smaller than that.

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Based off your all's logic, Nagato should be #1 on every top ten list.

No he can be defeated by edo Madara, Obito and 50/50 with Naruto. Kabuto and Orochimaru with there edo's but most don't like to count that.
 

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That pictures just the Kyuubi. Here's chibaku tensei which covers an entire mountain range. The fist the tbb was caught was clearly smaller than that.

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No he can be defeated by edo Madara, Obito and 50/50 with Naruto. Kabuto and Orochimaru with there edo's but most don't like to count that.

Are you basically saying Obito > Hashirama? Naruto > Hashirama?

LOL... I'm sorry but, what on Earth does Naruto have over Hashirama that allows him to heat Nagato? Naruto is basically walking ninjutsu. By your own logic he gets stomped.
 

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That pictures just the Kyuubi. Here's chibaku tensei which covers an entire mountain range. The fist the tbb was caught was clearly smaller than that.

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No he can be defeated by edo Madara, Obito and 50/50 with Naruto. Kabuto and Orochimaru with there edo's but most don't like to count that.

Did you not look at the bottom page of my scan? the ttb that the nine tails used the same rocks or black sphere that is for ct.
I will repeat this again, nagato's ct couldn't hold eight tailed form naruto U_U
 

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Are you basically saying Obito > Hashirama? Naruto > Hashirama?

LOL... I'm sorry but, what on Earth does Naruto have over Hashirama that allows him to heat Nagato? Naruto is basically walking ninjutsu. By your own logic he gets stomped.

It's 50/50. Naruto has his ridiculous speed which can be hard to deal with he has his clone varients like the sm ones which can cause a problems like his frog tai jutsu, Nagato would have to be careful absorbing senjutsu. But most things Nagato can stop Naruto with, as I said 50.50 i'm undecided about that match up. Yes, I can make a valid thread supported by feats on why both Obito and Naruto have abilities which can defeat Hashirama.

As for Obito, his Kaumi can be very difficult to stop. He has 6 jinchuriki under his control and rinnengan, it's heavily implied that he has the 6 paths jutsu.
 

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It's 50/50. Naruto has his ridiculous speed which can be hard to deal with he has his clone varients like the sm ones which can cause a problems like his frog tai jutsu, Nagato would have to be careful absorbing senjutsu. But most things Nagato can stop Naruto with, as I said 50.50 i'm undecided about that match up. Yes, I can make a valid thread supported by feats on why both Obito and Naruto have abilities which can defeat Hashirama.

As for Obito, his Kaumi can be very difficult to stop. He has 6 jinchuriki under his control and rinnengan, it's heavily implied that he has the 6 paths jutsu.

So Naruto has a 50/50 shot but Hashi gets stomped on?

Seems legit.
 

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Did you not look at the bottom page of my scan? the ttb that the nine tails used the same rocks or black sphere that is for ct.
I will repeat this again, nagato's ct couldn't hold eight tailed form naruto U_U

Not sure what your getting at, the core(black ball) small but that's not chibaku tensei just the core. The full chibaku tensei is large enough to comfortably hold the kyuubi as well as Madara's susanoo or Hashirama's wood tech.

So Naruto has a 50/50 shot but Hashi gets stomped on?

Seems legit.

I didn't say anyone gets stomped.
 

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Not sure what your getting at, the core(black ball) small but that's not chibaku tensei just the core. The full chibaku tensei is large enough to comfortably hold the kyuubi as well as Madara's susanoo or Hashirama's wood tech.



I didn't say anyone gets stomped.

You implied he gets pretty easily beat.
 

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Nagato would beat hashirama why?

He can absorb all of his jutstu

Hashirama cannot break chibaku tensei
 

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That's your interpretation.

We saw a healthy Nagato that would be the same one who manhandled Naruto and Bee without edo regeneration, which was possible in his life time if he absorbed some of the bijuu chakra. Based of Feats Hashirama gets crushed by a chibaku tensei, I don't see him blocking a combination of soul dragon from mazo and bansho tennin to restrict his movements, I don't see him tanking shinra tensei either.

Crushed?
 

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Though I have a new found respect for hashirama. I think you are Underrating both Naruto and Nagato. A healthy Nagato, could beat Hashirama, form what we've seen thus far. And Hashirama has yet to show us anything that would allow him to beat Edo Madara, Obtio, Naruto, or Nagato.


But i will agree that hashirama is a very powerful shinobi. He is willed his way out of orochimaru's edo tensei control. That is extremely Ridiculus.lol
 

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True. I made a thread that Ems madara and hashi are stronger than nagato and i was almost crucified :flaw:
 

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It is clear as day that Hashirama beats Nagato, the cooldown period of Deva-Path followed by the Shinra Tensei allows Hashirama to take Nagato out without much effort.

Midday, you tell me that Hashirama doesn't have a counter for Gedo Mazo's soul dragon, what is the same as saying that one would not survive a Kunai spamm. Hanzou survived this technique by merely using Shunshin no Jutsu. There's no problem for Hashirama to hide himself in his tree world and send out Bunshins to test out the techniques ability, he could simply create a group of Mokuton Bunshin while hiding himself in the surroundings, as he possesses the ability to melt with them. Using Gedo Mazo's soul dragon, he would put himself in a position Hashirama could easily catch him off guard, as Gedo would suck up his whole Chakra and steal his mobility. Hashirama, who is melt with the surroundings, can move within them freely and create Moku-Bunshins from there, would only need one technique to finsish the battle, for example shooting out a spear from th ground under Nagato, who is already crippled and tries to fight the Mokuton Bunshin, who should be unaffected by the soul removal Dragon and can move with a respectable speed (Hashirama however kept up with Madara).

To elaborate Hashiramas ability to melt with the surroundings, it would prevent him from being crushed with Chibaku Tensei. The principle of Chibaku Tensei is to attract the surroundings and to compress them into a massive sphere. Hashirama however has the ability to melt with those surroundings, further become one with them, as Madara showed this ability, Mokuton Bunshins do it and Zetsu as a mere low quality copy of him can do it, too. He in fact will be unharmed.

It would be more interesting, if Nagato wouldn't have a cooldown period after using Shinra Tensei. Hashirama is overall skilled and experienced, he possesses the best medical skills along with Tsunade and his Mokuton is way to versatile to be countered by Nagato continuously.
 

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Physically crushed under several mountains worth of rubble.

Midday, you tell me that Hashirama doesn't have a counter for Gedo Mazo's soul dragon, what is the same as saying that one would not survive a Kunai spamm. Hanzou survived this technique by merely using Shunshin no Jutsu. There's no problem for Hashirama to hide himself in his tree world and send out Bunshins to test out the techniques ability, he could simply create a group of Mokuton Bunshin while hiding himself in the surroundings, as he possesses the ability to melt with them. Using Gedo Mazo's soul dragon, he would put himself in a position Hashirama could easily catch him off guard, as Gedo would suck up his whole Chakra and steal his mobility. Hashirama, who is melt with the surroundings, can move within them freely and create Moku-Bunshins from there, would only need one technique to finsish the battle, for example shooting out a spear from th ground under Nagato, who is already crippled and tries to fight the Mokuton Bunshin, who should be unaffected by the soul removal Dragon and can move with a respectable speed (Hashirama however kept up with Madara).

To elaborate Hashiramas ability to melt with the surroundings, it would prevent him from being crushed with Chibaku Tensei. The principle of Chibaku Tensei is to attract the surroundings and to compress them into a massive sphere. Hashirama however has the ability to melt with those surroundings, further become one with them, as Madara showed this ability, Mokuton Bunshins do it and Zetsu as a mere low quality copy of him can do it, too. He in fact will be unharmed.

It's nothing like saying nobody can survie kunai spam. I recall Madara saying something like these eyes can see through clone techniques, Nagato has those eyes. Why wouldn't Nagato simply destroy the forest so Hashirama has nowhere to hide?

Nagato has never been easily caught off gaurd on top of being one of the best sensors he's got linked vision and has shown good reaction feats, he easily caught Bee mid air when he was simultaneously soul ripping Naruto, you're underrating Nagato in this catagory. Nagato's mobility was lost from Hanzo's attack not the mazo.

Melting into his surroundings isn't an issue, Nagato is a sensor, he can see chakra with his rinnengan on top of his linked vision. He's not getting taken out by a spear which he can block against with assura path, shinra tensei or petra path.

Hashirama's able to melt into his mokuton, that doesn't prevent him being crushed as the mokuton also gets crushed under the rubble alongside Hashirama whose inside of it. Even if he does survive he's just stuck there under the gravitational pull of the black sphere.
 
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It's nothing like saying nobody can survie kunai spam. I recall Madara saying something like these eyes can see through clone techniques, Nagato has those eyes. Why wouldn't Nagato simply destroy the forest so Hashirama has nowhere to hide?
Nagato has never been easily caught off gaurd on top of being one of the best sensors he's got linked vision and has shown good reaction feats, he easily caught Bee mid air when he was simultaneously soul ripping Naruto, you're underrating Nagato in this catagory. Nagato's mobility was lost from Hanzo's attack not the mazo.
Melting into his surroundings isn't an issue, Nagato is a sensor, he can see chakra with his rinnengan on top of his linked vision. He's not getting taken out by a spear which he can block against with assura path, shinra tensei or petra path.

Madara said that only he could see through Hashiramas Mokuton Bunshins with his EMS and do it now as well. Nagato however was never able to see through Bunshins and so fell for Kakashis Raiton Bunshin.

Nagato still wouldn't have mobility as he will stick at Gedo Mazo with its Chakra receivers, he will out all of his powers in the soul removal dragon.

Asura Path will not prevent Nagato from being crushed; those tendrils easily crushed Oonokis defensive golem and Asura Path isn't known for extraordinary defensive feats. Preta-Path will not absorb the tendrils, too, as they neither consist out of Chakra nor imbued with, the databook clearly describes that the Mokuton creates real trees on the basis of Hashiramas cells, the trees chakra source only exists in the ground, where it is converted into a source of life and from where Hashirama is actually controlling all trees. And here you go with Shinra Tenseis cooldown; the first spear is countered by a Shinra Tensei, the secound Mokuton will crush him like it crushed Oonokis golem, as Nagato is unable to move due to the usage of Gedo Mazo. He wouldn't even be able to survive it with full mobility, as the Shinra Tenseis interval completely restricts Deva-Path.

Fighting, for example, 10 Mokuton Bunshin that have a humans durability and can use the originals abilities, in a field Hashirama has covered with trees he can control, his shared vision will become useless, he will be overwhelmed by the sheer number.

It's may also an interesting information, that Shodai is a sensor, too. The fact that Zetsu, who is a low quality copy of Hashirama and used only techniques Hashirama is also known to use, is a sensor, too, confirms Hashirama to be one, too.

How Nagato is going to fight Hashirama?

Hashirama can cover the entry landscape with trees and control them, he can create a group of Mokuton Bunshins with the durability of a human and the originals abilities, he can use the bringer of darkness to blind Nagato, even to blind the summons, if he didn't already crush them. Nagatos summons are trash, Sakura killed one with one punch, Jiraiya killed two with his hair and the bird with his Katon technique, the Mokuton will easily annihilate them.

The ability of Obito to spamm wood spears through Juubis arms can also be used by Hashirama. Of course, the size of those spears will not be human sized, but even if he will spamm suchlike from the size of Hakus Senbon, Nagato could not continuously repel them, even the Hyuugas couldn't do it, the amount which is spammed is just too large and would outlast his Shinra Tensei.

I see Nagato being overwhelmed.
 

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When Naruto defeated pain, at the end it was only Deva path during his 5 second interval, i'm pretty sure that if it was Nagato himself, he would have absorbed that last rasengan and asura pathed Naruto to later pull out his soul..... But well.... what is seen is what counts....

According to facts Petra Path is the perfect counter for Mokuton (supposedly)..... BUT
*It seems hard to believe that Mokuton can be absorbed, something solid and strong as physical wood made through chakra, Nagato fans have to admit that there is a difference between Nagato absorbing liquid chakra and pure chakra, rather than solid chakra.... "So people will have to wait till hashirama uses mokuton and some rinnegan user tries to absorb it.

*This fight will depend on if the rinnegan user is able to absorb mokuton, if the rinnegan user is able...... Nagato wins
if the rinnegan user is not able..... Hashirama wins

*The problem with countering mokuton with Shinra Tensei is the 5 second interval, while mokuton can be continously spammed....
 

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Not sure what your getting at, the core(black ball) small but that's not chibaku tensei just the core. The full chibaku tensei is large enough to comfortably hold the kyuubi as well as Madara's susanoo or Hashirama's wood tech.



I didn't say anyone gets stomped.


Lol what? read the chapter when just one ttb destroyed mountains, yes mountains with an "s."
PS destroyed the meteorites with one slash, let alone a pathetic attempt of a moon.
 
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