madara will probably lose

[Draphsin]

well .... away from the edo madara vs hashi thing, the thread maker said that they are all edo's in this. so edo hashi and edo hiruzen can take on edo madara, and edo minato with edo tobirama (S/T specialists) can take care of obito (one of them did it before, now with the help of another monster its a win)

You underestimate madara, he's an army all in himself, and nobody can tell who the real one to seal is because only sharingan can tell the difference between mokuton clones and the real shinobi

 

[TheSages456]

Manga also stated that hashi is the "god" of shinobi, manga stated that whoever sees susanoo dies? manga stated that obito was madara until the secret was out?

All of these are so called "facts" that are merely just opinions of other characters, madara respected hashi and so hes downplaying the kage's. Madara was also talking trash before tsunade pulled out her byakugou and started kicking his ass in which he acknowledged her jutsu and her strength...point being, dont take madara's opinions seriously

im guessing that you dont know how to decipher what the author tries to imply or the pattern in which he presents his implications. passing off every single statement is nonsense.

madara admitting that hashirama would beat him is canon evidence. stop trying to ignore it or pass it off to justify your opinion which in reality is worthless.

 

[Omnipotent]

im guessing that you dont know how to decipher what the author tries to imply or the pattern in which he presents his implications. passing off every single statement is nonsense.

madara admitting that hashirama would beat him is canon evidence. stop trying to ignore it or pass it off to justify your opinion which in reality is worthless.

Now, how would Edo Madara lose to Hashirama, when Edo Madara has Hashirama's cells, in addition to his own abilities, an undying body and unlimited chakra? Not to mention the rinnegan.

In the manga, EMS Madara was taken down with a sword through the chest. How can that happen if Edo Madara never has to take down his Perfect Susanoo, as he has unlimited chakra? And if he does take it down, how will the sword through the chest affect him, now that he has an undying body? Furthermore, what if Edo Madara decides to use Preta Path to waste Hashirama's chakra, putting him at a further disadvantage?

Dude, I completely understand that Hashirama is the #1 shinobi that ever lived, if you exclude the SO6P and his offspring. But putting above Edo Madara is ridiculous.

 

[TheSages456]

Now, how would Edo Madara lose to Hashirama, when Edo Madara has Hashirama's cells, in addition to his own abilities, an undying body and unlimited chakra? Not to mention the rinnegan.

In the manga, EMS Madara was taken down with a sword through the chest. How can that happen if Edo Madara never has to take down his Perfect Susanoo, as he has unlimited chakra? And if he does take it down, how will the sword through the chest affect him, now that he has an undying body? Furthermore, what if Edo Madara decides to use Preta Path to waste Hashirama's chakra, putting him at a further disadvantage?

Dude, I completely understand that Hashirama is the #1 shinobi that ever lived, if you exclude the SO6P and his offspring. But putting above Edo Madara is ridiculous.

the full power of edo madara is still perfect susano just like it was at VOTE and hashirama already beat it. if PS cant stop hashirama then none of madaras other techs can which are canonically weaker.

madara doesnt have to drop PS. hashirama beats it just like he did in canon.

if hashirama puts a sword through his chest, then he could just seal madara. hashirama hasnt shown a sealing jutsu yet so im not getting into that.

 

[Draphsin]

im guessing that you dont know how to decipher what the author tries to imply or the pattern in which he presents his implications. passing off every single statement is nonsense.

madara admitting that hashirama would beat him is canon evidence. stop trying to ignore it or pass it off to justify your opinion which in reality is worthless.

Then going by your logic, obito was madara until chapter 599, and tsunade should be dead because whoever see's PS dies...tell me how hashi can see through mokuton clones and prevent this

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[TheSages456]

Then going by your logic, obito was madara until chapter 599, and tsunade should be dead because whoever see's PS dies...tell me how hashi can see through mokuton clones and prevent this

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im pretty sure that a clone wont survive or even be a factor in a battle that is so destructive that entire valleys are formed.

hashiramas full power>perfect susano>>>>>>>madaras new techs therefore hashiramas full power>>>>>>>>>madaras new techs.

the examples that you're providing are irrelevant. you are basically saying that words have no meaning and that NARUTO is basically a picture manga.

 

[Draphsin]

im pretty sure that a clone wont survive or even be a factor in a battle that is so destructive that entire valleys are formed. (LOL you think im talking about 1 clone?....im talking about 25 clones, & all of them using PS...how does hashi find the real one in that mess???). Its already shown that you need a collaboration of jutsu to even reach madara's real body

hashiramas full power>perfect susano>>>>>>>madaras new techs therefore hashiramas full power>>>>>>>>>madaras new techs. (lmfao so much fail, you dont even know hashis full power yet you say its stronger than madara with rinnegan, hashi has no counter for preta path, bansho tenin, multiple PS clones because the manga hasnt stated it)

edo madara>>>>>>>hashi>ems madara)

the examples that you're providing are irrelevant. you are basically saying that words have no meaning and that NARUTO is basically a picture manga. (And youre saying that the manga which showed glimpses of madara/hashi's fight is wrong? in both glimpses hashi looks like he got his ass handed to him, meaning that he barely surpasses ems madara. And since we know that edo madara is leagues out of ems madara's range, then its blatantly obvious that hashi also stands no chance :sy:

No im saying that characters in a story dont always tell the truth, if youre telling me that madara wasnt being cocky then theres no point in discussing this further because theres no point trying to convince you what is truth U_U

My examples arent irrelevant, theyre manga statements, okay ill give you another one

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According to A, minato cound never be surpassed, does this mean that minato>madara too?

stop taking the opinion of madara, whos being cocky and trying to discourage the kage and stating it as fact. Madara already stated that he wanted to lower their morale, so of course hes gonna make hashi sound like a god compared to them because he wanted them to start losing hope...

 

[TheSages456]

No im saying that characters in a story dont always tell the truth, if youre telling me that madara wasnt being cocky then theres no point in discussing this further because theres no point trying to convince you what is truth U_U

My examples arent irrelevant, theyre manga statements, okay ill give you another one

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According to A, minato cound never be surpassed, does this mean that minato>madara too?

stop taking the opinion of madara, whos being cocky and trying to discourage the kage and stating it as fact. Madara already stated that he wanted to lower their morale, so of course hes gonna make hashi sound like a god compared to them because he wanted them to start losing hope...

hashirama>PS>25 susano clones. madaras clones have never used PS so they dont have it.

your being an idiot. madara can still hype hashirama to be a god while asserting his dominance over him. instead he is honest and admits that hashirama is stronger. you are making excuses for manga canon facts and this just wont fly.

why would madara lie? he has no reason to. these are fan made assumptions that you presented not manga canon. this is supposed to be a debate but you give manga pages that have nothing to do with what im talking about and make up BS excuses like "lol madaras lying".

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

You underestimate madara, he's an army all in himself, and nobody can tell who the real one to seal is because only sharingan can tell the difference between mokuton clones and the real shinobi

actually am fully aware of madara's level (a monster) but you are really underestimating the hokage's bro. they have the numbers (4 vs 2) and the quality of each shinobi.

 

[Draphsin]

why would madara lie? he has no reason to. these are fan made assumptions that you presented not manga canon. this is supposed to be a debate but you give manga pages that have nothing to do with what im talking about and make up BS excuses like "lol madaras lying".

Yes he does as ive already stated, he wanted to lower their morale

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This proves that madara has a reason to lie to the kage, he wanted them to start losing hope. But look at what happens when he realizes that it had the opposite effect, he goes and pulls out 25 clones, because he's done trying to discourage them and he's switched to "kill on sight"

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This is madara before he started trying, he doesnt care (look at his body language) and so hes letting them hit him so that he could just laugh it off, in turn making them feel helpless. Also look at how much trash he's talking lol...

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BTW: madara's clones can use PS, he has unlimited chakra which means he can transfer his susanoo abilities to any of his clones...theres no manga evidence proving otherwise. Saying madara's clones cant use PS is like saying naruto's clones cant use RS....

im pretty sure that a clone wont survive or even be a factor in a battle that is so destructive that entire valleys are formed. (LOL you think im talking about 1 clone?....im talking about 25 clones, & all of them using PS...how does hashi find the real one in that mess???). Its already shown that you need a collaboration of jutsu to even reach madara's real body

hashiramas full power>perfect susano>>>>>>>madaras new techs therefore hashiramas full power>>>>>>>>>madaras new techs. (lmfao so much fail, you dont even know hashis full power yet you say its stronger than madara with rinnegan, hashi has no counter for preta path, bansho tenin, multiple PS clones because the manga hasnt stated it)

edo madara>>>>>>>hashi>ems madara)

the examples that you're providing are irrelevant. you are basically saying that words have no meaning and that NARUTO is basically a picture manga. (And youre saying that the manga which showed glimpses of madara/hashi's fight is wrong? in both glimpses hashi looks like he got his ass handed to him, meaning that he barely surpasses ems madara. And since we know that edo madara is leagues out of ems madara's range, then its blatantly obvious that hashi also stands no chance :sy:

 

[TheSages456]

Yes he does as ive already stated, he wanted to lower their morale

This proves that madara has a reason to lie to the kage, he wanted them to start losing hope. But look at what happens when he realizes that it had the opposite effect, he goes and pulls out 25 clones, because he's done trying to discourage them and he's switched to "kill on sight"

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This is madara before he started trying, he doesnt care (look at his body language) and so hes letting them hit him so that he could just laugh it off, in turn making them feel helpless. Also look at how much trash he's talking lol...

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you still havent explained why madara would lie about hashirama being stronger than him which would in reality make him look weaker.

 

[TheSages456]

Yes he does as ive already stated, he wanted to lower their morale

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This proves that madara has a reason to lie to the kage, he wanted them to start losing hope. But look at what happens when he realizes that it had the opposite effect, he goes and pulls out 25 clones, because he's done trying to discourage them and he's switched to "kill on sight"

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This is madara before he started trying, he doesnt care (look at his body language) and so hes letting them hit him so that he could just laugh it off, in turn making them feel helpless. Also look at how much trash he's talking lol...

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BTW: madara's clones can use PS, he has unlimited chakra which means he can transfer his susanoo abilities to any of his clones...theres no manga evidence proving otherwise. Saying madara's clones cant use PS is like saying naruto's clones cant use RS....

what bullshit am i reading???

narutos clones have the feats of using rasenshuriken
madaras clones dont have the feats of using perfect susano

madara used 1 PS which he used through his own body and stated that, that was his full power.

why the hell are you giving madara all rinnegan techs when his feats dont support it?

this just proves my point on how incompetent you are and how you are incapable of judging madaras strength properly.

 

[Draphsin]

what bullshit am i reading???

narutos clones have the feats of using rasenshuriken
madaras clones dont have the feats of using perfect susano

madara used 1 PS which he used through his own body and stated that, that was his full power.

why the hell are you giving madara all rinnegan techs when his feats dont support it?

this just proves my point on how incompetent you are and how you are incapable of judging madaras strength properly.

What the f***? youre riduculous

So what if naruto's clones have feats, youre logic states that if a jutsu is not shown in the manga then its not true or cant be done. Then if thats the case your entire argument becomes invalid because you have NO feats for hashi...so going by your logic hashi cant even use mokuton at madara's level...show me proof of hashi using mokuton on par with that of madara

If obito can use the paths abilities then madara can too, because madara was the one to teach obito about the sage/his sons, simple as that.

lol your'e just mad that madara solos U_U i dont get your logic with the rinnegan techs....why would madara know preta path/deva path but not the other paths? do you realize how dumb this is because madara had to lean them from somewhere. He couldnt learn them from nagato because he GAVE him the rinnegan. and he didnt learn the techniques from obito for obvious reason....This means that the only possible option for madara to know about the paths abilities is if he read them off of the uchiha tablet. And if thats the case then its a dumb argument to say that he only has 2 paths abilities because why wouldnt he learn them all...........?

You still havent explained why hashi looks f***'d up in both pictures of hashi Vs ems madara, yet he still beats edo madara....? abc logic fail :sy:

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[TheSages456]

What the f***? youre riduculous

So what if naruto's clones have feats, youre logic states that if a jutsu is not shown in the manga then its not true or cant be done. Then if thats the case your entire argument becomes invalid because you have NO feats for hashi...so going by your logic hashi cant even use mokuton at madara's level...show me proof of hashi using mokuton on par with that of madara

If obito can use the paths abilities then madara can too, because madara was the one to teach obito about the sage/his sons, simple as that.

lol your'e just mad that madara solos U_U i dont get your logic with the rinnegan techs....why would madara know preta path/deva path but not the other paths? do you realize how dumb this is because madara had to lean them from somewhere. He couldnt learn them from nagato because he GAVE him the rinnegan. and he didnt learn the techniques from obito for obvious reason....This means that the only possible option for madara to know about the paths abilities is if he read them off of the uchiha tablet. And if thats the case then its a dumb argument to say that he only has 2 paths abilities because why wouldnt he learn them all...........?

You still havent explained why hashi looks f***'d up in both pictures of hashi Vs ems madara, yet he still beats edo madara....? abc logic fail :sy:

here is the scans of hashirama using mokuton on a level like madara has shown:

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you do realize that your entire argument is conjecture right? i doubt you know what conjecture is though because you are so ignorant when it comes to debating. you are just proving that hashirama is stronger since you are giving madara techs that he hasnt used to make this debatable. im sorry to tell you that he cant use them by feats. if you say that madara will be using anything but preta path, you are wrong.

you do realize that by edo madaras own admission and feats, perfect susano is still his full power and hashirama already beat it right? if PS cant beat hashirama then madaras weaker techs cant(mokuton, rinnegan).

are you mad that your boyfriend madara says that hashirama beats him? why is it so painful for you to follow the manga? wipe madaras semen out of your eyes so you can read the manga properly.

 

[Draphsin]

here is the scans of hashirama using mokuton on a level like madara has shown:

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you do realize that your entire argument is conjecture right? i doubt you know what conjecture is though because you are so ignorant when it comes to debating. you are just proving that hashirama is stronger since you are giving madara techs that he hasnt used to make this debatable. im sorry to tell you that he cant use them by feats. if you say that madara will be using anything but preta path, you are wrong.

you do realize that by edo madaras own admission and feats, perfect susano is still his full power and hashirama already beat it right? if PS cant beat hashirama then madaras weaker techs cant(mokuton, rinnegan).

are you mad that your boyfriend madara says that hashirama beats him? why is it so painful for you to follow the manga? wipe madaras semen out of your eyes so you can read the manga properly.

okay....first of all its like your'e not even reading my points, you just assume that madara doesnt know the paths abilities when its STATED FACT that obito knows them....HOW WOULD OBITO KNOW THE PATH'S ABILITIES WHILE MADARA DOES NOT....? thats such a stupid point :sy:

And lmfao you think that just because madara said PS was his full power it means that that's the ONLY move hes gonna use?? :rofl: He can spam meteors from the sky (bansho tenin) while in PS, or he can have mokuton clones doing some groundwork summoning mokuton dragons on par with that of hashi's (im humoring you by saying that madara's clones cant use PS...but regardless it makes no difference in their strength).

If youre right then explain why hashi looks like a mess in both of his fights, yet he stomps edo madara...? the logic here is so flawed and the more i try and convince you it seems you just get angrier and start with the name calling (a sign that you are losing an argument)

lol someones butthurt

 

[TheSages456]

okay....first of all its like your'e not even reading my points, you just assume that madara doesnt know the paths abilities when its STATED FACT that obito knows them....HOW WOULD OBITO KNOW THE PATH'S ABILITIES WHILE MADARA DOES NOT....? thats such a stupid point :sy:

And lmfao you think that just because madara said PS was his full power it means that that's the ONLY move hes gonna use?? :rofl: He can spam meteors from the sky (bansho tenin) while in PS, or he can have mokuton clones doing some groundwork summoning mokuton dragons on par with that of hashi's (im humoring you by saying that madara's clones cant use PS...but regardless it makes no difference in their strength).

If youre right then explain why hashi looks like a mess in both of his fights, yet he stomps edo madara...? the logic here is so flawed and the more i try and convince you it seems you just get angrier and start with the name calling (a sign that you are losing an argument)

lol someones butthurt

you havent presented any proof. just sayin.

the madara you are talking about now still isnt canon madara.

let me lay out madaras limitations for you and what he has used in canon:
-madaras clones have only been shown with ems and have only used V2 susano & genjutsu so thats all they get in debates
-madara has never made it "rain meteors". at most he brings down 2.
-madara has never used the meteor tech or mokuton while in PS. when he uses PS, he uses that and that alone.
-madara has never used mokuton while camping in susano.
-madara cant use susano & preta path at the same time.

madara has been shown fighting for a decent amount of time and you still cant get a reasonable grasp on his limits so you just wildly exaggerate him. its quite laughable.

hashirama already beat a full power madara so in other words if madara isnt using perfect susano, he increases his chances of losing even more.

 

[Draphsin]

you havent presented any proof. just sayin.

the madara you are talking about now still isnt canon madara.

let me lay out madaras limitations for you and what he has used in canon:
-madaras clones have only been shown with ems and have only used V2 susano & genjutsu so thats all they get in debates
-madara has never made it "rain meteors". at most he brings down 2.
-madara has never used the meteor tech or mokuton while in PS. when he uses PS, he uses that and that alone.
-madara has never used mokuton while camping in susano.
-madara cant use susano & preta path at the same time.

madara has been shown fighting for a decent amount of time and you still cant get a reasonable grasp on his limits so you just wildly exaggerate him. its quite laughable.

hashirama already beat a full power madara so in other words if madara isnt using perfect susano, he increases his chances of losing even more.

Proof obito can use the paths

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Obito can use the paths abilities, therefore madara can use them, regardless of what we've seen.....

LOL im done arguing with you, you completely ignore the point that completely shatter's your argument lmfao

You still havent explained why hashi looks f***'d up in both pictures of hashi Vs ems madara, yet he still beats edo madara....? abc logic fail

If youre right then explain why hashi looks like a mess in both of his fights, yet he stomps edo madara...? the logic here is so flawed

Answer this point properly and ill respond to you again, but fail to do so and im leaving this thread....

 

[TheSages456]

Proof obito can use the paths

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Obito can use the paths abilities, therefore madara can use them, regardless of what we've seen.....

LOL im done arguing with you, you completely ignore the point that completely shatter's your argument lmfao

sorry. no feats with the rinnegan=no use. you should know this. thats like saying that naruto can use danzos jutsu because he has wind element.

@bold-you're right. you should stop doing that.

Answer this point properly and ill respond to you again, but fail to do so and im leaving this thread....

ive debunked your garbage about 30 times already and i dont care if you leave. you are just another ignorant, biased, madara fanboy.

edo madaras full power is still PS just like at VOTE and hashirama is above that. in conclusion, since madaras new techs are weaker than PS, they cannot kill hashirama. simple.

 

[Omnipotent]

the full power of edo madara is still perfect susano just like it was at VOTE and hashirama already beat it. if PS cant stop hashirama then none of madaras other techs can which are canonically weaker.

madara doesnt have to drop PS. hashirama beats it just like he did in canon.

if hashirama puts a sword through his chest, then he could just seal madara. hashirama hasnt shown a sealing jutsu yet so im not getting into that.

Hashirama beats Perfect Susanoo, and has just wasted a lot of chakra. Edo Madara takes advantage of his unlimited chakra and wins. Madara simply won't be stabbed by Hashirama because he won't tire, whereas Hashirama will eventually tire.

Whether he's above his full power or not is negated as the fact that Edo Madara has unlimited chakra and an undying body allows him to hypothetically... well, spam it every time it's taken down. And Hashirama's just not getting through that.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

wrong section

OT: madara will lose to plot and plot alone

Plot no Jutsu!