@NarutoSageUzamaki
Theres nothing to suggest that even weak to mid level genjutsus wouldnt work
Its just that Nagato isnt good when coping with genjutsu, maybe just like his sensei (Jiraiya) and his student (Naruto)
Don't be mistaken, I'm not an Uchiha Fanboy. Stick that into your brain.
Genjutsu manipulates the chakra flow to the brain. Thats how it works. So that means nagato is vulnerable to genjutsu overall. Your logic is based on assumption and not facts, though i see what your trying to say. Just that Nagato himself, with the rinnegan hasn't shown any methods of breaking out of a genjutsu (regardless of level).
first of all the great toad sages already said that sound genjutsu is greater than visual jutsu and that means I doubt nagato can be affected by any visual jutsu because jairaya was a top level shinobi and I know he knew genjutsu visual genjutsu but knew that it wouldnt work seeing that he knew nagato and had trained him as a boy so jaraya probably knew visual genjutsu which targets eyes wouldn't affect the rinnegan and I doubt ems visual genjuts would work either if it could itachi would have done it instead of sealing his new friend away when if he could could have just used izanami or izanagi and let naruto or b seal him but that means nagato was immune to any inferior eye genjutsu and we all knw rinnegan @>member/ms
Nagato and Genjutsu are allways the argument when it comes to NAGATO VS any Uchiha threads
Now i need to clear something up
- and NO i'm not a Nagato fanboy and itachi is one of my favourite characters
but this needs to be Said
Nagato has only been caught by a Sound Genjutsu , which is a bit different than any Visual genjutsu - it affect the user through his ears
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It says that the genjutsu only works when they harmonizes their voices - thus it is a Sound Genjutsu
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And that was the point where he was Caught
Now , the Uchiha brothers were also caught in a Sound genjutsu - but with of a Lower level . VS Kabuto
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MY point standing is that , Maybe Nagato can be caught in a high Level Genjutsu like tsukuyomi , but a Low level genjutsu will not Affect him
- Logic
Rinnengan > EMS > MS > 3 Tomoe
Sasuke with his 3 tomoe was easily able to Read through Itachi's basic genjutsu - So the logical Explanation would be that Nagato can too
Even though he did not get the Majority of MS techniques Rinnengan gave him the Same visual/Perspective power ups
Thus Nagato should be able to see through Basic genjutsu
NOW
I'm not Saying he is Immune to all genjutsu - Even Obito with his MS was caught in Madara's tsukuyomi , So i am guessing Nagato can allso be caught in a technique of such level - but
Arguments like Nagato is not Immune to genjutsu - Cuz Toad Song caught him are invalid - Cuz it is a Different type of genjutsu
I agree nagato must have a counter for basic genjutsu because the rinnegan like you said is derived from the sharingan. However, genjutsu is only the argument based around itachi vs nagato threads, madara doesnt need genjutsu to beat nagato. But this is kind of useless because itachi would only use tsukuyomi anyways
Wow, Kabumaru >>>>>>>>>>>> Jman and Naruto SM so failed there and it was an uzumaki genjutsu >>>>>> frog genjutsu (weaker lvl pff) if it was so weak why did itachi fall for it? They broke the genjutsu pain didn't SG > Rinnegan when it comes to this.
Irrelevant post, irrelevant opinion, Kabuto's genjutsu is the SAME as the one Tayuya used against Shikamaru, only difference is the victim is wrapped in snakes instead of ropes , uzumaki genjutsu...?
The fact that his rinnegan gives him more eyes to see with is actually playing into favor of a visual genjutsu user such as Itachi
An Tsukuyomi isnt the only genjutsu techinque he could do with his eyes
He has
Burning paper body
Heaven and Earth change
Shackling stakes
And his genjutsu where he just points at you (Ephemeral)
Along with Dusk Crow genjutsu which doesnt even require him to point or anything
The fact that his rinnegan gives him more eyes to see with is actually playing into favor of a visual genjutsu user such as Itachi
An Tsukuyomi isnt the only genjutsu techinque he could do with his eyes
He has
Burning paper body
Heaven and Earth change
Shackling stakes
And his genjutsu where he just points at you (Ephemeral)
Along with Dusk Crow genjutsu which doesnt even require him to point or anything
The frogs genjutsu doesn't rival the Tsukuyomi, its probably up there close but at the same level.
Tsukuyomi was said over and over to be the strongest genjutsu in existance.
No kind of credit like that was given to the Sound genjutsu
The rinnegan has never shown the ability to escape or break out of genjtusu. Although the rinnegan is the Last version of the Chronological sharingan, It differs Vastly from it's preceeding versions so much so it was once attributed and thought as a completely different Doujutsu from the sharingan and was not fully associated with it until madara explained that the Rinnengan is what lies beyond EMS.
By Right, it should maintain the ability to dispell genjtus just like the sharingan but my point is, it has never shown the capability to do so. Your Standing point is a theory, not fact...hence why you cannot find scans to back up your point.
Chains of Fantasia is a Sound Genjutsu and am not sure what your saying but as far as i recalled the sharingan did break out of the jutsu by a reverse tsukyomi, it was still the sharingan. The rinnegan how ever was not able to escape frog song which is further proof to prove my point that the Rinnegan doesn't possess the ability to break any type of genjtusu.
->What genjutsu was Nagato placed under that rivaled Tsukyomi?
Don't be rediculous. My point is, Kurenai's Genjtusu would work on nagato...that doesn't mean she's stronger.
The rinnegan has never shown the ability to escape or break out of genjtusu. Although the rinnegan is the Last version of the Chronological sharingan, It differs Vastly from it's preceeding versions so much so it was once attributed and thought as a completely different Doujutsu from the sharingan and was not fully associated with it until madara explained that the Rinnengan is what lies beyond EMS.
By Right, it should maintain the ability to dispell genjtus just like the sharingan but my point is, it has never shown the capability to do so. Your Standing point is a theory, not fact...hence why you cannot find scans to back up your point.
Chains of Fantasia is a Sound Genjutsu and am not sure what your saying but as far as i recalled the sharingan did break out of the jutsu by a reverse tsukyomi, it was still the sharingan. The rinnegan how ever was not able to escape frog song which is further proof to prove my point that the Rinnegan doesn't possess the ability to break any type of genjtusu.
->What genjutsu was Nagato placed under that rivaled Tsukyomi?
Don't be rediculous. My point is, Kurenai's Genjtusu would work on nagato...that doesn't mean she's stronger.
@Draphsin
Those are not basic genjutsus
Given the fact that Orochimaru couldnt really break of the Shackling stakes genjutsu
And Orochimaru knows way more about the sharingan genjutsu prowess then Nagato, and yet even him and elite shinobi of his level was immune
And anything so-called basic used by a master wouldn't be basic!
As you say there is no proof of it, so lets leave that be.
Unlike Nagato, Madara (if edo/old) wields not only the rinnengan (which hasn't shown the ability to break genjtusu) but he also has the sharingan which grants him the ability to break/reverse/escape genjutsu.
@Draphsin
Those are not basic genjutsus
Given the fact that Orochimaru couldnt really break of the Shackling stakes genjutsu
And Orochimaru knows way more about the sharingan genjutsu prowess then Nagato, and yet even him and elite shinobi of his level was immune
And anything so-called basic used by a master wouldn't be basic!
@Draphsin
Those are not basic genjutsus
Given the fact that Orochimaru couldnt really break of the Shackling stakes genjutsu
And Orochimaru knows way more about the sharingan genjutsu prowess then Nagato, and yet even him and elite shinobi of his level was immune
And anything so-called basic used by a master wouldn't be basic!
Oro is perfectly vulnerable to genjutsu, and he was not expecting it..once you're caught in itachi's genjutsu its hard to break, especially if you dont know when he's gonna use it. Nagato however has the rinnegan, it doesnt matter if he knows about sharingan genjutsu or not, point is because of his eyes + sensing abilities, he is able to predict when genjutsu is being used and adjust his chakra/eyes accordingly, something oro wasnt able to do in time
IT ALL DEPEND ON THE USER.3 tomoe sasuke was able to put up a good fight against Itachi.Sasuke broke itachi's tsukyomi with just 3 tomoe.I am sure a good EMS user will be good against a rinnegan user
