[VS] Tsunade vs jiriyia

[Yura Yuka]

Jiraiya uses Sm Genjutsu merge with Ma and Pa to fodderise that weak fodder.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Specific plot device utilized to stop Naruto from turning into Gay porn. Unless that it what you want. And yes 4 tails Naruto could withstand the flames. The chakra burns his skin off did you miss that explanation? So how his clothes stay on is obviously a plot device.

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Whereas Katsuyu directly admitted that she had been feeling the effects of her former predicament

 

[Forbidden Technique]

So let me get this straight, Tazzila. What your'e saying is, because Katsuya can withstand the kyuubi cloak chakra, she can withstand an oil fire 10x the size of her full form?

Indirectly implying, Naruto in his base form can withstand Toad Oil Flame Bullet as well?

 

[Jiraiya Namikaze]

I don't get why you guys are so happy that tsunade hit madara.

 

[ItachiStyle]

So, as I said to you in another thread, it's plot no jutsu that the shirt was undamaged. Thankfully for Katsuyu she was comfortably shielded behind this plot no jutsu shirt too, and unharmed. The guys clothes aren't even scratched. I think logic comes to most people's aid, and they realise that the stuff under the chakra cloak was protected from damage, and only stuff outside touching it would be damaged (like Oro was). That's a sensible and obvious interpretation, rather than your ridiculous and obviously agenda driven one.

 

[Micho22]

Ok let the chakra of the fox besides !!
What is with the chibaku tensei how did katsuyu survive this ???
Or she said that she woud survive the deadly heavenly transfer jutsu its no problem for her

 

[Tazzilla88]

So let me get this straight, Tazzila. What your'e saying is, because Katsuya can withstand the kyuubi cloak chakra, she can withstand an oil fire 10x the size of her full form?

Indirectly implying, Naruto in his base form can withstand Toad Oil Flame Bullet as well?

Naruto in base can't take Kurama's chakra burning him, it is a fact that Kurama also heals him from all that damage that he is able to survive. So 4 tails Naruto, yes can survive that attack. 9 tails Naruto would be unfazed by those flames. Katsuyu too would endure through them, unless you can show anything near the contrary of Katsuyu being weak to fire. Now if Kurama's healing factor was applied to base Naruto without the cloaks presence, then yes, Naruto would survive the flame in the same fashion that Tsunade tanked Madara's Katons meant for 5 kage level shinobi.

By the way stop your attempt of straw man arguments.

So, as I said to you in another thread, it's plot no jutsu that the shirt was undamaged. Thankfully for Katsuyu she was comfortably shielded behind this plot no jutsu shirt too, and unharmed. The guys clothes aren't even scratched. I think logic comes to most people's aid, and they realise that the stuff under the chakra cloak was protected from damage, and only stuff outside touching it would be damaged (like Oro was). That's a sensible and obvious interpretation, rather than your ridiculous and obviously agenda driven one.

So your argument Itachi style is that the chakra burnt a snake completely in seconds, and Katsuyu said she felt the affects of being with Naruto, and the fact that the cloak as Jiraiya said does not protect Naruto but harm him constantly even though he is inside the cloak, none of that matters because Naruto's clothes were not damaged? Choji expands to gigantic proportions without ripping his clothes, Naruto has transformed into one being with Bunta. Naruto creates clones with clothes. I think it would be fairly obvious by this point that clothes are protected by to plot no jutsu. Unless you can tell me why Tsunade's clothes stayed intact when she was burned by Madara's katon.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Your feat is not a feat. Everyone is laughing at your Tsunade homerism. Nothing else is damaged, not even a rip on his clothes, so the obvious conclusion is that the cloak enveloped them and protected her (much like Naruto's clothes). Your alternative reading is ridiculous and clearly an example of someone reading the manga is a bizarre way, so they can infer Katsuyu possess some special power she clearly does not.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Your feat is not a feat. Everyone is laughing at your Tsunade homerism. Nothing else is damaged, not even a rip on his clothes, so the obvious conclusion is that the cloak enveloped them and protected her (much like Naruto's clothes). Your alternative reading is ridiculous and clearly an example of someone reading the manga is a bizarre way, so they can infer Katsuyu possess some special power she clearly does not.

So then explain Choji's clothes, and Tsunade's clothes, and explain while your at it Naruto's clothes from transformation jutsu, and then explain how Oro and Kabuto keep clothes on when they use Body Replacement. And explain to me how clones have clothes, and explain to me how Madara keeps getting clothes back as they were obviously destroyed. Or how Obito even manages to keep clothes on. Explain to me how Tsunade's heels are hard enough to break solid stone with ease?
Please I'd like to know.
and Hidan's clothes after Asuma's Katon.

Also another logical fallacy used which is called the appeal to popularity

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Naruto in base can't take Kurama's chakra burning him, it is a fact that Kurama also heals him from all that damage that he is able to survive. So 4 tails Naruto, yes can survive that attack. 9 tails Naruto would be unfazed by those flames. Katsuyu too would endure through them, unless you can show anything near the contrary of Katsuyu being weak to fire. Now if Kurama's healing factor was applied to base Naruto without the cloaks presence, then yes, Naruto would survive the flame in the same fashion that Tsunade tanked Madara's Katons meant for 5 kage level shinobi.

By the way stop your attempt of straw man arguments.

You're whole argument depends on the fact that the kyuubi cloak chakra burns to the same degree of a katon capable of engulfing shinobi by the hundreds, started to melt mandas molted skin which tanked c0, and has a temporary amaterasu affect.
Would you like to supply some proof that kyuubi chakra indeed burns to this degree?

I don't even know what that means, in any case, I don't really care, as i'm going to do what I want.

 

[Tazzilla88]

You're whole argument depends on the fact that the kyuubi cloak chakra burns to the same degree of a katon capable of engulfing shinobi by the hundreds, started to melt mandas molted skin which tanked c0, and has a temporary amaterasu affect.
Would you like to supply some proof that kyuubi chakra indeed burns to this degree?

I don't even know what that means, in any case, I don't really care, as i'm going to do what I want.

Doesn't matter you don't have any proof that Katsuyu is weak to fire. Even of that sort. Nor do you have any proof that the 9 tailed chakra wouldn't burn to the same degree.
In fact I've provided a greater proof of Katsuyu's ability to handle burns than you've shown she can't. Which points to it being more likely than not that she'd be ok through Jiraiya's fire.
Amaterasu-esque effect. Can I get a manga page for that?
Size also isn't relevant to the heat question you asked.

You're whole argument comes down to " I don't think so, I have no information to say contrary to your statement, but no I cannot fathom such a thing."

 

[ItachiStyle]

Katsuyu never even touched the chakra cloak that we can see... she was protected by the plot-no-shirt.

I should add, I think Katsuyu is somewhat durable, but the idea she can just tank these sorts of blasts (from a guy with unlimited chakra) is just silly. Even one of the biggest tsunade fans on this board conceded she can't win earlier in this thread. It frustrates me no end, because normally I have to defend Tsunade, and then I see posters like you destroying my credibility when I argue for Tsunade, with such obvious fanboyism.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Katsuyu never even touched the chakra cloak that we can see... she was protected by the plot-no-shirt.

I should add, I think Katsuyu is somewhat durable, but the idea she can just tank these sorts of blasts (from a guy with unlimited chakra) is just silly. Even one of the biggest tsunade fans on this board conceded she can't win earlier in this thread. It frustrates me no end, because normally I have to defend Tsunade, and then I see posters like you destroying my credibility when I argue for Tsunade, with such obvious fanboyism.

Well what frustrates me, is someone having not spent nearly as many hours as I have researching Tsunade or Katsuyu trying to interpret the manga. And even worse using bandwagon fallacies to try and convince that I am confused. Just so you are aware sir. Before I joined this base Tsunade fans were no where to be found. Chatte joined I want to say few days after I and from there, we were the pioneers. Slug Sage Tsunade came a few months later. And While I will admit that they notice some things better than I, I think that is a mutual thing. We've taught each other a bit over this time. However, make no mistake I am expert. And to blatantly deny a feat because you can't fathom something is ridiculous. People for many months thought Raikage was stronger than Tsunade. When the manga the whole time showed a different picture. But they could not fathom a kunoichi could be physically stronger than A. I think you need to realize to whom you speak. This is far from my first rodeo. So don't tell me about having to defend Tsunade. Katsuyu is more than somewhat durable, she is extremely durable. And by the way, it was not I but Chatte who first noticed that she did indeed have a resistance of sorts to burns. This was one of those lessons she taught me. I imagine that you cannot fathom the utility of Katsuyu nor if we look at all feats from Tsunade her true power. Defend Tsunade? There was a time when it was popular consensus that Neji would destroy Tsunade. And do you know debated that? Insolence

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Doesn't matter you don't have any proof that Katsuyu is weak to fire. Even of that sort. Nor do you have any proof that the 9 tailed chakra wouldn't burn to the same degree.
In fact I've provided a greater proof of Katsuyu's ability to handle burns than you've shown she can't. Which points to it being more likely than not that she'd be ok through Jiraiya's fire.
Amaterasu-esque effect. Can I get a manga page for that?
Size also isn't relevant to the heat question you asked.

You're whole argument comes down to " I don't think so, I have no information to say contrary to your statement, but no I cannot fathom such a thing."

No, I do not have any proof that Katsuya is weak to fire. Actually, there is no proof indicating what Katsuya is even weak too. You're interpretation of this is, she's completely invincible which is ridiculous. Every summoning we have seen thus far getting hit with katon has shown great injury. Example being Baku, Cerberus, and Nagatos bird summon, and Mandas skin, therefore Manda applies as well. Of course , this doesn't apply to katsuya, because nothing at all fazes her, right?

Rather then the flames disappearing like in all other cases any form of Katon has been used, the area remained ablazed. This results in a temporary amaterasu affect where the target will continue to be burn until the flames are extinguished.

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[ItachiStyle]

No, you're not an expert, and judging from your grammar you're not an adult either.

I imagin you think Katsuyu could have tanked Deidara's suicide blast too, since she's even tougher than Manda. Yes. I am making fun of you, and your ridiculous "incredible hulk pants" argument.

 

[Tazzilla88]

No, I do not have any proof that Katsuya is weak to fire. Actually, there is no proof indicating what Katsuya is even weak too. You're interpretation of this is, she's completely invincible which is ridiculous. Every summoning we have seen thus far getting hit with katon has shown great injury. Example being Baku, Cerberus, and Nagatos bird summon, and Mandas skin, therefore Manda applies as well. Of course , this doesn't apply to katsuya, because nothing at all fazes her, right?

Rather then the flames disappearing like in all other cases any form of Katon has been used, the area remained ablazed. This results in a temporary amaterasu affect where the target will continue to be burn until the flames are extinguished.

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Katsuyu can do many things that other summons cannot as last I checked they also can't handle being cut to pieces perhaps with the exception cerebus. But then there abilities that she has that he doesn't. For example being able to absorb others. Or being able to spit acid. And as it would seem being able to withstand burning. With the feats we've seen from Tsunade, and the hype given her suggest something that contradicts neither and I'll say it has merit. But you just blatantly denying a feat because you don't know her weakness. That's silly.

I wouldn't call that an Amaterasu-esque effect. As fire tends to burn so long as there is 1. Something to burn and 2. and Oxygen supply. 3. The subject burning has no way to extinguish the flames.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Any proof that the chakra cloak even touched Katsuyu, who was protected under the plot-no-jacket? Didn't think so "expert".

 

[Tazzilla88]

Well you know insolent one the fact the chakra cloak destroyed his skin would mean it also had to go pass katsuyu

 

[ItachiStyle]

No, I don't know that. If I use logic, Id assume it would have destroyed the clothes too... but apparently they are protected by plot no jutsu... so why isn't Katsuyu also protected by plot no jutsu? Do you have any actual evidence the chakra cloak ever touched her?

And seriously, with that grammar, I'm guessing you're like 12? Stop calling yourself "an expert", and making poorly spelt insults.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Katsuyu can do many things that other summons cannot as last I checked they also can't handle being cut to pieces perhaps with the exception cerebus. But then there abilities that she has that he doesn't. For example being able to absorb others. Or being able to spit acid. And as it would seem being able to withstand burning. With the feats we've seen from Tsunade, and the hype given her suggest something that contradicts neither and I'll say it has merit. But you just blatantly denying a feat because you don't know her weakness. That's silly.

I wouldn't call that an Amaterasu-esque effect. As fire tends to burn so long as there is 1. Something to burn and 2. and Oxygen supply. 3. The subject burning has no way to extinguish the flames.

Just like other summons can do things Katsuya cannot. I'm not denying anything. I'm fully aware that Katsuya is extremely durable, probably the most durable being we have seen in the manga thus far. However, she isn't invincible. While there isn't any evidence stating the kyuubi cloak burns to the same degree of Toad Oil Flame Bullet, I feel it is common sense it does not. If that were to be true, that would mean, Narutos body would have to withstand scorching heat constantly incinerating his body (Considering how it seemed to melt Mandas skin, again, which was able to withstand C0). Kurama does in fact heal Naruto, but it doesn't work nearly as instant as byakagou. This obviously hints there is a difference between the burning sensation of the two.

Toad Oil Flame Bullet, is based on oil, not only does it burn differently, it burns hotter and longer then regular fire. As well as it extinguishes differently.
An ordinary katon didn't maintain ablaze in practically the same terrain Toad Oil Flame Bullet did, as well as meeting all of the requirements you've listed for it to burn.

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Also, my original argument was Katsuya gets caught in Swamp of the Underworld, as means of dealing with her.