Base Naruto - What is included ? - LET ME CLEAR THIS OUT.

[Champ]

you just Said it , Pa helped him Achieve , he did not GIVE him sage mode in ANY battle

IF you are trolling - like most of Sasuke fans - this is really not the thread to do it - cuz what you are Saying is just childish denial

Should've expected you to bring Sasuke in this. Like every Naruto fanboy wants to twist things to fit their fav character. Naruto learned Sage mode cause of Pa, it's not his base. But you can be indenial if want to and believe it is

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

How you enter the mode doesn't change the fact that Sage Mode is a transformation.

Now Sage Mode isn't a power up? What are you talking about? Sage Mode not only changes his appearance, it gives him more power, hence it being a power up.

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is not this.

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By your logic this is Base Kabuto.

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even though you have logic but

Naruto.Wikia explanation -

Sage Mode is the result of using natural energy along with a ninja's normal chakra to drastically empower all their abilities.

Senjutsu (仙術; Literally meaning "Sage Techniques") refers to a specialised field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy (自然エネルギー, shizen enerugī) around a person.

It is not a transformation , Naruto does not really transform into anything - Kabuto does as He did not Fully master the Technique like Jiraiya Thus it is the Unstable Natural energy that causes him to Mutate


It is still called Sage mode - but it is different from Bijuu mode or Sharingan

• And in any case - a Transformation technique would be Considered base - Harem technique is an Example
  you would Consider it BASE , but not Sage mode ?

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But ofc you will again repeat the whole thing OVER AND OVER , untill i am tired

Not proving your point to me , but just to feel that you won an argument

Cuz admitting that i brought up facts and logical explanation is too mainstream

 

[KidGamer65]

even though you have logic but

Naruto.Wikia explanation -




It is not a transformation , Naruto does not really transform into anything - Kabuto does as He did not Fully master the Technique like Jiraiya Thus it is the Unstable Natural energy that causes him to Mutate


It is still called Sage mode - but it is different from Bijuu mode or Sharingan

• And in any case - a Transformation technique would be Considered base - Harem technique is an Example
  you would Consider it BASE , but not Sage mode ?

Again, if Naruto has to enter a mode then it obviously is not his base, hence the term being called Sage MODE. Not to mention Naruto's appearance changes.

Sage MODE is in no way Naruto's base, Naruto's base is when he is not in any mode or transformation, when he does not need to do something to enter a form. Hence it being his Base.

Get this ridiculous idea out of your head, by your logic SM Jiraiya and SM Kabuto would be their base because they are simply gathering Natural Energy. Naruto doesn't gain Toad like features so its his Base? That sounds dumb.

You didn't bring up a logical explanation, your logic is BS and everyone knows it, but go ahead, stay in denial, if you can't realize the truth, that just makes you the only one and I'm not going to waste my time here trying to argue with a wall.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Again, if Naruto has to enter a mode then it obviously is not his base, hence the term being called Sage MODE. Not to mention Naruto's appearance changes.

Sage MODE is in no way Naruto's base, Naruto's base is when he is not in any mode or transformation, when he does not need to do something to enter a form. Hence it being his Base.

Read the edit - Soo predictable


I brought up a Naruto Wikia explanation - and i fail to see any word Transformation in there

 

[KidGamer65]

Read the edit - Soo predictable


I brought up a Naruto Wikia explanation - and i fail to see any word Transformation in there

Lol, Narutards these days....

When you can show me that Naruto does not need to enter Sage Mode then it will be his Base.

When you show me that Naruto's appearance does not change then you can call it his Base.

Until then you're just denying manga facts and spewing out BS.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Lol, Narutards these days....

When you can show me that Naruto does not need to enter Sage Mode then it will be his Base.

When you show me that Naruto's appearance does not change then you can call it his Base.

Until then you're just denying manga facts and spewing out BS.

@Bold - now that is straight out rude - considering that i brought an official explanation

So you are Saying that Just for the sake of this argument you will consider rakage's Lightning armor ( Lightning technique and yet he changes appearance ) - In which he has to enter Not his base


It is Like any Lightning technique - Like the full body Chidori Sasuke used ( in the beginning of Shippuden ) - But it will not be his base technique

He does change Appearance - his hair Grow violently and he appears with Lightning around his body Doesn't he?

It is not the Same ?

Or tsunade's Regeneration technique - It is not her base ? - it is Just like any other healing technique , just on another level

She changes appearance - but it will not be her base ?

And you will agree to that Just to win an argument with me ?

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold - now that is straight out rude - considering that i brought an official explanation

So you are Saying that Just for the sake of this argument you will consider rakage's Lightning armor ( Lightning technique and yet he changes appearance ) - In which he has to enter Not his base


It is Like any Lightning technique - Like the full body Chidori Sasuke used ( in the beginning of Shippuden ) - But it will not be his base technique

He does change Appearance - his hair Grow violently and he appears with Lightning around his body Doesn't he?

It is not the Same ?

Or tsunade's Regeneration technique - It is not her base ? - it is Just like any other healing technique , just on another level

She changes appearance - but it will not be her base ?

And you will agree to that Just to win an argument with me ?

Obviously Base A is A WITHOUT Raiton Armor active.

Tsunade's Byakugou is a jutsu, not a mode that she has to enter.

@bold: Chidori Current is a jutsu, Raiton Armor is a mode A enters, completely different.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Obviously Base A is A WITHOUT Raiton Armor active.

Tsunade's Byakugou is a jutsu, not a mode that she has to enter.

@bold: Chidori Current is a jutsu, Raiton Armor is a mode A enters, completely different.

tsunade enters that Mode

She does not have it straight out from the battle - it is a Jutsu , she changes appearance

She changes appearance even more than Naruto does in Sage mode

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She even starts glowing

And you say it is different ? - i say you are now confusing yourself


and Raiton armor is a technique - It is not a MODE like you said isn't it ?


What you are arguing is since that person has to go Into that mode or thing w/e to get that power it is not his base

So you are Saying if a person is to use that technique it is not his base - So even a fire technique , which a person has to use in orde to get power is his base - then Nothing cept for maybe taijutsu is a base ..


Again i repeat a Ninja even has to use the fire technique in order to get it's strength - so what is the difference ? Naruto uses Sage mode , gets strength from it


you are confusing yourself more and more You are concerned too much about Naruto - while you forget to draw parallels with other characters

 

[fastrthnwind]

Sage Mode is the result of using natural energy along with a ninja's normal chakra to drastically empower all their abilities.

Senjutsu (仙術; Literally meaning "Sage Techniques") refers to a specialised field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy (自然エネルギー, shizen enerugī) around a person.

The bolded just shut down your own argument.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

The bolded just shut down your own argument.

oh so i was arguing that Naruto does not get strength from it ? - OH my my .

Re read what i was arguing about

I said it is not a transformation - that was my argument at that time


Dont try to bee too smart , it looks bad afterwards

 

[fastrthnwind]

oh so i was arguing that Naruto does not get strength from it ? - OH my my .

Re read what i was arguing about

I said it is not a transformation - that was my argument at that time


Dont try to bee too smart , it looks bad afterwards

I could just try to make you look stupid, but I won't, being a nice and decent member, so I will show you what base really is.

Base = no enhancements or power-ups that enhance the users own basic abilities.

In order for Naruto to use frog kata, summoning, or any very large rasengan/rasenshuriken variants, he requires SM or KM all of which greatly enhances his own powers in some way, shape or form. It doesn't even matter how its achieved, anything that gives the user greater strength/speed/durability/more potent chakra or anything more than what they can do naturally is considered a power-up and not what they are normally capable of.

It's simple and clear-cut. Nothing complex about it. No loopholes or exceptions.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

I could just try to make you look stupid, but I won't, being a nice and decent member, so I will show you what base really is.

Base = no enhancements or power-ups that enhance the users own basic abilities.

In order for Naruto to use frog kata, summoning, or any very large rasengan/rasenshuriken variants, he requires SM or KM all of which greatly enhances his own powers in some way, shape or form. It doesn't even matter how its achieved, anything that gives the user greater strength/speed/durability/more potent chakra is considered a power-up and not what they are normally capable of.

It's simple and clear-cut. Nothing complex about it. No loopholes or exceptions.

well then there should be cuts made about a lot of other characters in some comparisons - but Base Naruto and Base Sasuke is the most common one

It does Enhance it - but i am saying for the Sasuke fight exclusively

Sasuke gets his EMS and MS removed = Naruto gets his KM and BM removed - Not really complex


And i explained why For that battle exclusively - this is relevant , Naruto gathers the energy - and done


It is just like Taijutsu -Which he enables to fight.


see not so complex after all - you be nice to me , i be nice , reasonable and civilized to you ?
was it that hard ?

 

[fastrthnwind]

well then there should be cuts made about a lot of other characters in some comparisons - but Base Naruto and Base Sasuke is the most common one

It does Enhance it - but i am saying for the Sasuke fight exclusively

Sasuke gets his EMS and MS removed = Naruto gets his KM and BM removed - Not really complex


And i explained why For that battle exclusively - this is relevant , Naruto gathers the energy - and done


It is just like Taijutsu -Which he enables to fight.


see not so complex after all - you be nice to me , i be nice , reasonable and civilized to you ?
was it that hard ?

Yes, I like reasonable and civilized, thank you.

Anyways, SM would also be a power-up simply because it enhances the potency if Narutos chakra which grants him greater durability, speed, and strength for his taijutsu. One aspect, the chakra gathering, cant be taken out of the power-up because it still empowers his other base stats as well.

 

[Transcendence]

Lol, Narutards these days....

When you can show me that Naruto does not need to enter Sage Mode then it will be his Base.

When you show me that Naruto's appearance does not change then you can call it his Base.

Until then you're just denying manga facts and spewing out BS.

I hope you do realize that the Naruto fanbase (Which I'm part of scarcely) are the most intelligent and well rounded arguers on this site and many forums. Calling them Narutards is degrading towards yourself.

OT: Sage Mode is not his base. If he has to enhance himself from any external source, which includes Sage Mode, it is not considered base. Base is like against Kakuzu, when he used FRS, which is a move he used and made in his base form.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Yes, I like reasonable and civilized, thank you.

Anyways, SM would also be a power-up simply because it enhances the potency if Narutos chakra which grants him greater durability, speed, and strength for his taijutsu. One aspect, the chakra gathering, cant be taken out of the power-up because it still empowers his other base stats as well.

i really never denied that , but what i said is that even though it is undeniably a mode - it does not need to undertake any sort of transformation

which Kidgamer made into being - transform=Power up

What i was implying that whatever the technique is , if it is not a Kekkei genkai - or a Tailed beast - Kekkei genkai like Dust release are in another category - it should be considered as a Base technique

It is not necessarily his base , but it is his BASE technique which in turn of use results in such enhancements

 

[fastrthnwind]

i really never denied that , but what i said is that even though it is undeniably a mode - it does not need to undertake any sort of transformation

which Kidgamer made into being - transform=Power up

What i was implying that whatever the technique is , if it is not a Kekkei genkai - or a Tailed beast - Kekkei genkai like Dust release are in another category - it should be considered as a Base technique

It is not necessarily his base , but it is his BASE technique which in turn of use results in such enhancements

Any sort of transformation that alters his normal abilities is considered a power-up. Anything that alters his normal abilities in general is considered a power-up. It doesn't really matter. It's not exactly discriminate.

It's not a considered a base technique, per se, because it is supplementary, which alters his own natural abilities.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Any sort of transformation that alters his normal abilities is considered a power-up. Anything that alters his normal abilities is considered a power-up. It doesn't really matter. It's not exactly discriminate.

well that is in Naruto's case

Take a parallel - Sasuke's base is w/o his sharingan , Correct ?

the Sharingan does not necessarily enhance his abilities , neither does he go through any transformation

But for his base that is removed -


What i am saying , like in Kidgamer's situation - Drawing parallels with other characters shows that what you are saying does not really make sense for others

Sasuke should not even remove him MS then - Just cuz it is his eyes - And Naruto undertakes an enhancement on his body thus he needs to remove it by that logic

It is a Justu that he learned somehow



It is complicated to explain - but i hope you get what i am saying

 

[fastrthnwind]

well that is in Naruto's case

Take a parallel - Sasuke's base is w/o his sharingan , Correct ?

the Sharingan does not necessarily enhance his abilities , neither does he go through any transformation

But for his base that is removed -


What i am saying , like in Kidgamer's situation - Drawing parallels with other characters shows that what you are saying does not really make sense for others

Sasuke should not even remove him MS then - Just cuz it is his eyes - And Naruto undertakes an enhancement on his body thus he needs to remove it by that logic

It is a Justu that he learned somehow



It is complicated to explain - but i hope you get what i am saying

Actually, the sharingan enhances the users perception, allowing them to see objects in perfect clarity, predict their trajectory and sometimes even copy them.

I understand what you are saying, but like I said it really isn't that complicated. Consider a normal human beings natural abilities. Consider that to be a persons true base.