Why is Sasukes revenge still not over

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Sasuke is willing to get revenge over Konoha for making Itachi suffer the most ..

he will not change his mind since the hatred has been fuled more after meeting Itachi here

Considering the latest chapter Tobirama's comments and orochimaru's provocations about uchiha's his resolve will strengthen even more IMO....

key word on that panel "BUT"

after talking to the kages sasuke will see how much he has been brain f'd and will want to murk the rest of his cursed clan(obtito)
 
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That the entire Shinobi world wants him dead does not justify extrajudicial killings. The reason our justice system guarantees even the worst offenders the right to a fair trial is what is missing in that world, and one of the main causes for the chaos they are experiencing. In a fair trial, Sasuke could have presented as evidence the secret dealings that lead to the Uchiha massacre, the fact that he was going after Danzo, and not the rest of the Kages during that attack, the fact that Danzo in fact tried to break the deal with Itachi (by sending Sai to kill him), and tried to kill him during the fight, while Sasuke was asking him first to confirm what he had heard. Perhaps even use genetic evidence for an insanity plea.
The shinobi world is incredibly different to our own, I wouldn't trust the leaf village to hold an unbiased court session. With most of the village semi-brainwashed by the events that have happened and someone like the elders or Danzo always being in charge behind the scenes I don't see this happening.

Not to mention Sasuke entirely takes the law into his own hands. Shikamaru and Gaara were looking at the bigger picture that materialistically- Sasuke's death would've brought the Shinobi nations positive effects. It doesn't matter anyway as Naruto's resolve is the resolve we're morally following in this manga anyway.

He was there to kill Danzo and not the others. And the only ones he killed there were Samurai - in self defense after he warned them. I am not trying to justify his actions there, but he is not the monster you try to portray him at - and deserves the right to put his side of the case on the table.

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Does this REALLY look like the face of a guy who can be reasoned with? He went there with intentions to kill only Danzo but on the way managed to assault the world leaders, kill a bunch of Samurai because he was slightly angry and then lunge for both Karin & Sakura and fight with Naruto & Kakashi. You really think he wasn't prepared to murder any of these people? He fought/shot down all of them with full intent. That's kinda undebatable and if he hadn't encountered Itachi or met with the Kage that's what he'd still be doing now.

He's got much better recently of course- but i'm just stating why Sasuke's revenge isn't over. It's a key theme that Kishimoto is addressing and even plain out said it with Shikamaru, whether Shikamaru was morally right or not in his resolve doesn't matter- I was just answering the question.
 
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The shinobi world is incredibly different to our own, I wouldn't trust the leaf village to hold an unbiased court session. With most of the village semi-brainwashed by the events that have happened and someone like the elders or Danzo always being in charge behind the scenes I don't see this happening.

I think one of the core issues in the story is precisely that. The villages are run as a military organization, funded by corrupt and gullible feudal lords, with no checks and balances. The police force was created as a way to appease and distance a potential rival. Everything is done in secret. Yes, it's a different world, with magic and super powerful individuals, but they all still have the same moral failings. The solution that Shikamaru and Gaara are offering may be a short term fix for the current crisis, but neither is capable of seeing (or perhaps neither is aware of) the greater picture and the context in which this happens. So long as they don't change the system, it's just a matter of time until the next crisis arises. For all Gaara and Shikamaru are a lot more intelligent than Naruto, he is the one with the best insight on the right path.

Not to mention Sasuke entirely takes the law into his own hands. Shikamaru and Gaara were looking at the bigger picture that materialistically- Sasuke's death would've brought the Shinobi nations positive effects. It doesn't matter anyway as Naruto's resolve is the resolve we're morally following in this manga anyway.

No, it would only provide a reprieve for a while until the next crisis. Without reforming the system of hate and injustice, they are going to run into this again. Had Sasuke been given the facts and counceling, and the time to mourn, and help finding meaning, when he was still innocent and willing to listen, he may never have turned to the path of revenge.

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Does this REALLY look like the face of a guy who can be reasoned with? He went there with intentions to kill only Danzo but on the way managed to assault the world leaders, kill a bunch of Samurai because he was slightly angry and then lunge for both Karin & Sakura and fight with Naruto & Kakashi. You really think he wasn't prepared to murder any of these people? He fought/shot down all of them with full intent. That's kinda undebatable and if he hadn't encountered Itachi or met with the Kage that's what he'd still be doing now.

He went to the Kage meeting planning to follow Danzo afterwards and kill - or question - only him. He was not planning to attack the summit. Tobi and Zetsu foiled that plan purposefully to put him in a situation where he has only one option - to follow them. The Kages went after him, with intent to kill. At that point he was pushed into a corner. Even so, he abandoned the battle to run after Danzo, and did not try to continue fighting the other Kages - though they kept attacking him. That part I kind of understand actually.

What is harder to grapple with is his behavior towards his teammates - both from Taka and team 7. He was unbalanced and raving - but that's just it - he was not rational at that point. The only person who was able to bring him some sanity and clarity was, again, Naruto with his promise. If you have ever dealt with people that have a mental illness (and I have) you would have known that their perception of reality and reaction to triggers are unpredictable and often radically different than that of the "normal" person. They perceive the world and people differently. But a lot of the time such conditions are treatable, maybe even curable. Why not try that route first before taking someone's life?

He's got much better recently of course- but i'm just stating why Sasuke's revenge isn't over. It's a key theme that Kishimoto is addressing and even plain out said it with Shikamaru, whether Shikamaru was morally right or not in his resolve doesn't matter- I was just answering the question.

I have no doubt that his revenge quest isn't over - his resolve will only be strengthened - I very much doubt if Orochimaru, the master manipulator, would have let him talk to the Kages if he were not completely certain of the outcome. That said, he may still want to take revenge against Obito and Madara, so I can easily see him go against them, then against Naruto.
And you also forget an important contribution of his - helping Itachi stop the Edo Tensei. That alone can more than balance his negative score with the Shinobi world (recall Oonoki exclaiming that whoever stopped the Edo Tensei is a hero of the aliance, no matter who they are...).
 

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And you also forget an important contribution of his - helping Itachi stop the Edo Tensei. That alone can more than balance his negative score with the Shinobi world (recall Oonoki exclaiming that whoever stopped the Edo Tensei is a hero of the aliance, no matter who they are...).

I would argue that it really was mostly Itachi who did all of that work (and I HATE Itachi so that was hard to admit) and that Sasuke really didn't know or care what defeating Kabuto would entail- he just followed his brother's lead and did what he was told because he was so admiring of his brother and he'd get some answers from the guy.)

This has been the most interesting debate i've had on here for a while though, good points
 

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I think after Jugo told Sasuke that Madara is alive, he will go kill Madara because Itachi told him during their fight that 'Madara' helped him kill the clan so ya Sasuke aint done yet :D
 

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he's gonna go bat **** on the village
 

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I would argue that it really was mostly Itachi who did all of that work (and I HATE Itachi so that was hard to admit) and that Sasuke really didn't know or care what defeating Kabuto would entail- he just followed his brother's lead and did what he was told because he was so admiring of his brother and he'd get some answers from the guy.)

Whatever his reason was, he did the right thing then. He could have teamed up with Obito or Kabuto, seeing that their plan will also fulfill his own goal (destroy the world implies that Konoha is also destroyed...). I probably need to reread it, but I recall that Itachi may not have succeeded without Sasuke's help, as Kabuto was far tougher than expectted, with all his powerups. Sasuke is something of a dark horse in the story - doing the right things for the wrong reasons... :)

This has been the most interesting debate i've had on here for a while though, good points

Thanks - I enjoyed it too - and you raised some excellent points as well.
 

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Because the story would be over. If you think about it a great deal of what Naruto does is facing people who usually want revenge on either Konoha or the entire world, which sounds a lot like he is facing trials before battling the major antagonist who wants... revenge. Never mind that Pain, for example, could actually have more important reasons for his revenge and that he really wanted peace (albeit pursuing it the wrong way).
 

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Its way too soon for Sasuke to be redeemed, that probably won't happen till the very ending of the manga. I am actually starting to wonder if Sasuke will side with Obito and Madara at first. Under infinite Tsukuyomi he would be reunited with his family.
 
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