Obito is not god,1v1 he is not the strongest

[yondaime4]

first of, I will agree kamui is a awesome jutsu, its a near perfect defense and is very diffecult to fight.

that being said lets focus on obito for a sec, he fought minato,foo and torune, konan and now naruto and co.

first i want to point out that every opponent has landed a hit on obito, torune still counts even if obito touched him on purpose because obito needs to touch his oppenent to warp them so thats a weakness, if it wasnt for his zetsu half he would not have been able to be so wreckless against torune.

now konan showed us that obito can only use kamui for 5 minutes of constant use, that is why he had to use izanagi to survive. which he can still use at the cost of his kamui since thats his only sharingan right now. (overpower)

minato taught use that obito has to be solid to attack, leaving him wide ope when trying to make contact.(outspeed)

finally we learned that kakashi and obitos eye go to the same dimension.

now im under the impression that people think obito is the strongest in naruto because he has kamui and i want to squash that, because madara is obv the strongest and sasuke with ems is better than obito. naruto is probably the only other person imo than can take out obito using speed.

how does madara beat obito? by forcing him to use his kamui for five straight minutes like konan did, how? amaterasu, mokutan or pefect susano, basically a very high powered offense, which madara imo is very capable of.

how would sasuke beat obito? blaze release imo is perfect for forcing obito to use kamui as the black flames wont disappear and sasuke can control their movements so that it is always around obito, who needs to solidify before he can absorb himself to teleport forcing obito to stay intangible or use izanagi.

naruto on the other hand could use minatos template and out speed obito, as he is superfast in km, but if that doesnt work kakashi is never that far away and its his show so hed obviously win lol.

my point is that kamui is not absolute and obito can only dodge for so long before his opponents start to figure him out and imo madara and sasuke are bad matchups for obito whos attack power is nowhere near that of susanoo and amaterasu so dodging is his only option. and imo both sasuke and madara are tactical genuis' second to maybe shikaku and shikamaru maybe.( and kakashi fits in somehwere)

while i clearly put obito in top 5 i think its ridiculous to say no one can beat him or that he stomps madara and sasuke, he could def beat any opponent but to think he is undeatable is unrealistic imo

so tell me what you think, i know not everyone will agree so point out my flaws and flame all you want

 

[Noni]

when you figure out his weaknesses then you can beat him easily

 

[Frankenstein]

Okay...but who called Obito a god??

 

[Darksharinnegan]

solid or not im thinking tsyukoyomi will mind rape him which is why he never wanted to go against itachi

 

[yondaime4]

solid or not im thinking tsyukoyomi will mind rape him which is why he never wanted to go against itachi

Oo good point

 

[yondaime4]

Okay...but who called Obito a god??

Oobv not you so dont worry about it lol

 

[Thundergod123]

how would sasuke beat obito? blaze release imo is perfect for forcing obito to use kamui as the black flames wont disappear and sasuke can control their movements so that it
so tell me what you think, i know not everyone will agree so point out my flaws and flame all you want

This !

Even Obito can dodge it, Sasuke can control his black flames perfectly too prevent him from using any powerful abilites, I agree.

Bro, I did made another thread almost like this and you post my thread, haha lol.

Great thread after all..........

 

[KingHashirama]

Kamui is easy to counter ^_^

 

[Gold Lightning]

rep plus to OP.

This is what I have tried to say before, once you figure out his weakness, Obito is not all that. Obito is easily top 5 but still he is not unbeatable in a 1v1.

 

[yondaime4]

This !

Even Obito can dodge it, Sasuke can control his black flames perfectly too prevent him from using any powerful abilites, I agree.

Bro, I did made another thread almost like this and you post my thread, haha lol.

Great thread after all..........

Ya i made this thread a lil while ago but i saw yours and felt people needed a reminder so i brought it back lol

 

[PredictionGuru]

At least he's sexy!

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[Draphsin]

first of, I will agree kamui is a awesome jutsu, its a near perfect defense and is very diffecult to fight.

that being said lets focus on obito for a sec, he fought minato,foo and torune, konan and now naruto and co.

first i want to point out that every opponent has landed a hit on obito, torune still counts even if obito touched him on purpose because obito needs to touch his oppenent to warp them so thats a weakness, if it wasnt for his zetsu half he would not have been able to be so wreckless against torune.

now konan showed us that obito can only use kamui for 5 minutes of constant use, that is why he had to use izanagi to survive. which he can still use at the cost of his kamui since thats his only sharingan right now. (overpower)

minato taught use that obito has to be solid to attack, leaving him wide ope when trying to make contact.(outspeed)

finally we learned that kakashi and obitos eye go to the same dimension.

now im under the impression that people think obito is the strongest in naruto because he has kamui and i want to squash that, because madara is obv the strongest and sasuke with ems is better than obito. naruto is probably the only other person imo than can take out obito using speed.

how does madara beat obito? by forcing him to use his kamui for five straight minutes like konan did, how? amaterasu, mokutan or pefect susano, basically a very high powered offense, which madara imo is very capable of.

how would sasuke beat obito? blaze release imo is perfect for forcing obito to use kamui as the black flames wont disappear and sasuke can control their movements so that it is always around obito, who needs to solidify before he can absorb himself to teleport forcing obito to stay intangible or use izanagi.

naruto on the other hand could use minatos template and out speed obito, as he is superfast in km, but if that doesnt work kakashi is never that far away and its his show so hed obviously win lol.

my point is that kamui is not absolute and obito can only dodge for so long before his opponents start to figure him out and imo madara and sasuke are bad matchups for obito whos attack power is nowhere near that of susanoo and amaterasu so dodging is his only option. and imo both sasuke and madara are tactical genuis' second to maybe shikaku and shikamaru maybe.( and kakashi fits in somehwere)

while i clearly put obito in top 5 i think its ridiculous to say no one can beat him or that he stomps madara and sasuke, he could def beat any opponent but to think he is undeatable is unrealistic imo

so tell me what you think, i know not everyone will agree so point out my flaws and flame all you want

1st bold, why do people think that ama>obito....?......?.........HES THE ONLY PERSON IN THE MANGA WHO'S EXTINGUISHED THE FLAMES OTHER THAN THE UCHIHA BROS...jesus ama/enton wont work

2nd bold, naruto in KM and even in BM is just on par with obito's speed so this is another easy win too

3rd bold, by the time the enemy figures out obito's ability they will be overwhelmed by kamui. the first time that konoha met up with obito look how many of them it took to deduce his ability

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They were all (including kakashi) trying to figure out his ability while he was merely toying with them. If he wants to hide his kamui from his enemies then he should have no problem

4th bold, and finally, you cant put madara/sasuke on the list for being tactical geniuses without putting obito up there as well. If you rewatch obito vs fuu/torune and obito vs naruto/kakashi/bee/gai you will notice that he is incredibly smart on the battlefield as well

 

[TheCCV]

You seem to forget Tobi is capable of a lot more than just hiding behind his mask. He's got a pretty wide variety of attacks too, having possession of the Rinnegan.

 

[JBandaa]

and imo both sasuke and madara are tactical genuis' second to maybe shikaku and shikamaru maybe.( and kakashi fits in somehwere)

But Obito isn't?

solid or not im thinking tsyukoyomi will mind rape him which is why he never wanted to go against itachi

Tsukiyomi will obviously not work against other MS Uchiha. Base Sharingan Sasuke countered it, come on.




"Once you figure out his weakness, he is not all that" - This is so stupid, because that basically makes Nagato(counter to his Rinnegan), Madara(Taijutsu, plus Hashirama beat him), Naruto(time and chakra limit in BM and Sage mode), Itachi(sickness and low stamina) also "not all that" when you know their weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses lol

 

[Darksharinnegan]

But Obito isn't?



Tsukiyomi will obviously not work against other MS Uchiha. Base Sharingan Sasuke countered it, come on.




"Once you figure out his weakness, he is not all that" - This is so stupid, because that basically makes Nagato(counter to his Rinnegan), Madara(Taijutsu, plus Hashirama beat him), Naruto(time and chakra limit in BM and Sage mode), Itachi(sickness and low stamina) also "not all that" when you know their weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses lol

that was the third time that technique had been used on sasuke and it still did sufficient damage and we all know itachi wasnt trying to kill sasuke

 

[yondaime4]

1st bold, why do people think that ama>obito....?......?.........HES THE ONLY PERSON IN THE MANGA WHO'S EXTINGUISHED THE FLAMES OTHER THAN THE UCHIHA BROS...jesus ama/enton wont work

2nd bold, naruto in KM and even in BM is just on par with obito's speed so this is another easy win too

3rd bold, by the time the enemy figures out obito's ability they will be overwhelmed by kamui. the first time that konoha met up with obito look how many of them it took to deduce his ability

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They were all (including kakashi) trying to figure out his ability while he was merely toying with them. If he wants to hide his kamui from his enemies then he should have no problem

4th bold, and finally, you cant put madara/sasuke on the list for being tactical geniuses without putting obito up there as well. If you rewatch obito vs fuu/torune and obito vs naruto/kakashi/bee/gai you will notice that he is incredibly smart on the battlefield as well

First i dont think obito extinguished the flames as he cant even use amaterasu its more likely he used kamui but point is sasuke has ems and blaze release which no one has seen not even obito big differance

Second since their speed is on par easy win for obito? Wait their speed is on par what?

And in battle sasuke has surpassed kakashi, first thing kakashi noticed when sasuke attacked him was that sasuke has grown and is alot more comfortanle in battle. I mean read the data books bro sasuke and madaras intelligence and battle strategy is top of the list
I mean when you say overwhelmed by kamui what do you mean?

The best kamui can do is send them to the other dimension which is obviously obitos play, shadow clone maybe? Not to mention both madara and sasuke know of obitos abilities already soooo ya

Ya obito is smart but he was a crappy shinobi to start and only after unlocking kamui and being taught by madara has he been capable and even then he just hides and sneak attacks ppl he wont get that chance on sasuke or madara. I mean he knew itachi was a konoha sly in his akatsuki and never did anything about it. I wonder why?

But Obito isn't?



Tsukiyomi will obviously not work against other MS Uchiha. Base Sharingan Sasuke countered it, come on.




"Once you figure out his weakness, he is not all that" - This is so stupid, because that basically makes Nagato(counter to his Rinnegan), Madara(Taijutsu, plus Hashirama beat him), Naruto(time and chakra limit in BM and Sage mode), Itachi(sickness and low stamina) also "not all that" when you know their weaknesses. Everything has weaknesses lol

Everything obito has done was layed out by madara so no, ill give him credit for differing from madaras plan to obtain control but thats the same reason madara will kill him soooo ya.

You seem to forget Tobi is capable of a lot more than just hiding behind his mask. He's got a pretty wide variety of attacks too, having possession of the Rinnegan.

Lol like what? This is the first time hes fought seriously and hes not going to win
Please clarify this variety for me, kamui fire balls with kamui,kamui shurikens,kamui stakes, mokutan and im not sure ablut his rinnegan so until he uses it im assuming its only to connect the vision of the paths

 

[yondaime4]

At least he's sexy!

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Depending what side you wake up to i guess ; p

 

[Khallil]

Kamui is easy to counter ^_^

idd, as long as you know it's weaknesses, it's very easy

 

[KingHashirama]

idd, as long as you know it's weaknesses, it's very easy

AMEN.

 

[Draphsin]

First i dont think obito extinguished the flames as he cant even use amaterasu its more likely he used kamui but point is sasuke has ems and blaze release which no one has seen not even obito big differance

Second since their speed is on par easy win for obito? Wait their speed is on par what?

And in battle sasuke has surpassed kakashi, first thing kakashi noticed when sasuke attacked him was that sasuke has grown and is alot more comfortanle in battle. I mean read the data books bro sasuke and madaras intelligence and battle strategy is top of the list
I mean when you say overwhelmed by kamui what do you mean?

The best kamui can do is send them to the other dimension which is obviously obitos play, shadow clone maybe? Not to mention both madara and sasuke know of obitos abilities already soooo ya

Ya obito is smart but he was a crappy shinobi to start and only after unlocking kamui and being taught by madara has he been capable and even then he just hides and sneak attacks ppl he wont get that chance on sasuke or madara. I mean he knew itachi was a konoha sly in his akatsuki and never did anything about it. I wonder why?



Everything obito has done was layed out by madara so no, ill give him credit for differing from madaras plan to obtain control but thats the same reason madara will kill him soooo ya.

1. yes he can manga>your thoughts (extinguish/kamui same thing. Point is, he came out of the flames unscathed and theres no denying that)

2. go rewatch obito vs naruto (the whole fight) obito is on par with KM naruto and hes still been able to fight on par with BM naruto

3. kakashi has nothing on obito, sasuke is battle smart but with kamui obito has more skill and its been shown that skill>intelligence in plenty of fights. Also how can you compare sasuke/madara to obito when he doesnt even have a proper databook entry...when i mean overwhelmed by kamui i mean this

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4. unless you're talking about edo madara then obito can beat them both. kamui is faster than both of their abilities and obito has full info on their techniques as well.

5. this is mainly your opinion but the bold you misunderstand, obito didnt want to risk anything fighting a powerful opponent (itachi) when he was gonna planning on killing himself against sasuke anyways, besides itachi being in akatsuki was a big advantage because people knew that name and feared it for good reason.