hashirama>tsukuyomi? Sasuke>tsukuyomi?

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As far as the Manga and databook goes, Hashirama cannot break Itachi's Tsukyomi.. as it isn't even remotely close to being some "normal" genjutsu... He'd be best to not make eye contact or use w.e tactics he used to fight uchiha ocular genjutsu
 

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any Uchiha worth his salt- Sasuke, Madara, Obito, Shishui- will break tsukuyomi.

apart from that, i don't think Tsukuyomi is breakable. descendants of the sage might share the same aptitude as uchiha do, but i really doubt it and anyway there's no proof to support that.

however, while there's no cancelling the effects of tsukuyomi, I do think it's possible to tank it. the main thing to keep in mind is that it's a jutsu which targets the victim's will. meaning that the if hte victim's will is of a strong enough level theoretically it's possible for him to bear it until itachi's chakra gives out, maybe. i have some proof below:

For one, Itachi using one day on Sasuke and three on kakashi shows that there's a direct correlation between the level of tsukuyomi and the level of the opponent. ie. it takes more days of torture packed into a second to subdue a higher level opponent.
secondly- Sasuke slipped into a coma immediately after one day yet Kakashi was still conscious for a while after suffering three days
thirdly- itachi was really fatigued after three days of tsukuyomi on kakashi and not visibly fatigued after using 1 day on sasuke. meaning he cannot increase the number of days without severe risk to himself both stamina wise and also putting him closer to blindness. which means the number of days is probably capped under a week, three days might even be the highest level but since there's a bit of a doubt on why kakashi didn't die or not it might be a bit higher.
fourthly- there are characters who've made incredible durability feats like kisame and jiraiya. or others which have access to regeneration like kabuto, tsunade,naruto and hashirama. the will of the person plays a lot in this scenario.

in short, some characters may be sufficiently strong to wheather the effects of tsukuyomi and keep on fighting, and are strong enough that the damage they take isnt that compromising compared to the stamina loss/backlash itachi takes.
 
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Itachi's 1second tsukuyomi > Hashirama.

I don't why why poeple say "no one can break/survive itachi's tsukuyomi" yet say something else when it comes to hashirama, it doesn't really matter who you are (unless you have uchiha blood), Once itachi catches you in his tsukuyomi you're done for.

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any Uchiha worth his salt- Sasuke, Madara, Obito, Shishui- will break tsukuyomi.

apart from that, i don't think Tsukuyomi is breakable. descendants of the sage might share the same aptitude as uchiha do, but i really doubt it and anyway there's no proof to support that.

however, while there's no cancelling the effects of tsukuyomi, I do think it's possible to tank it. the main thing to keep in mind is that it's a jutsu which targets the victim's will. meaning that the if hte victim's will is of a strong enough level theoretically it's possible for him to bear it until itachi's chakra gives out, maybe. i have some proof below:

For one, Itachi using one day on Sasuke and three on kakashi shows that there's a direct correlation between the level of tsukuyomi and the level of the opponent. ie. it takes more days of torture packed into a second to subdue a higher level opponent.
secondly- Sasuke slipped into a coma immediately after one day yet Kakashi was still conscious for a while after suffering three days
thirdly- itachi was really fatigued after three days of tsukuyomi on kakashi and not visibly fatigued after using 1 day on sasuke. meaning he cannot increase the number of days without severe risk to himself both stamina wise and also putting him closer to blindness. which means the number of days is probably capped under a week, three days might even be the highest level but since there's a bit of a doubt on why kakashi didn't die or not it might be a bit higher.
fourthly- there are characters who've made incredible durability feats like kisame and jiraiya. or others which have access to regeneration like kabuto, tsunade,naruto and hashirama. the will of the person plays a lot in this scenario.

in short, some characters may be sufficiently strong to wheather the effects of tsukuyomi and keep on fighting, and are strong enough that the damage they take isnt that compromising compared to the stamina loss/backlash itachi takes.[/QUOTE]
Eh? i don't recall Itachi being "fatigued" after the 3 days at all... after any use of Tsukyomi it puts a strain on his eyes and then it goes away after a while.. this strain is seen no matter what time he puts on it

Ps- It's impossible to tank something when he can up the time to what he wants, as he said, he has no limits in that realm, he's god and controls space, time etc

Also, there is no doubt as to why Kakashi didn't die.. Itachi let him live, which is why the 2nd databook stated he was Merciful, as that's the only moment he showed mercy to anyone in part 1
 

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Itachi did not let Sasuke break Tsukiyomi, Sasuke did that on his own.

And I think Hashirama can survive it, but not necessarily break it like Sasuke did.

Yeah sasuke broke out of it himself but I think itachi put him under a genjutsu that he can endure and eventually overcome.
 

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Hashirama will have to be staring at Itachi's feet during the entire fight if these two ever meet up.
 

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No one can counter Itachi's Tsukuyomi if Itachi decides to. Sasuke did break out but only because Itachi didn't control the time aspect of the jutsu. If he did to Sasuke the same thing he did to Kakashi I don't see how he could break out.

I don't think it was necessarily the time aspect to why sasuke broke out but more to the images he put in sasukes head.
 

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As far as the Manga and databook goes, Hashirama cannot break Itachi's Tsukyomi.. as it isn't even remotely close to being some "normal" genjutsu... He'd be best to not make eye contact or use w.e tactics he used to fight uchiha ocular genjutsu

That's what I'm saying. I know hashi is known as the god of shinobi, but I don't think that automatically categorizes him under people who couldn't feel the effects i he was caught. I do however think he can tank it as I'm not sure to what Kind of illusion he'd be phased by. Like what illusion could you put him in to cause him pain? Possibly an illusion similar to the one done on kakashi ?
 

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Sometimes i wonder why kishi even created genjutsu, because it seems to me when it comes to it, people assume that ninja's get one shot. This is fking senju we talking about and not just any senju. Countless time's madara stated Harashima is the only on in his league as he trolled the kages. If genjutsu was that simply to hit harashima, he would have lost to madara with kyuuby. People needs to understand that Itachi doesn't know everything when it comes to the Sharingan full abilities. (madara is the only MOFO with that) and i strongly believe if tsukuyomi was that simply on "these following ppl Hashirama, Tobimaru, Minato, sarutobi, these ppl would have never been kages in the first places. Sarutobi counter infine darkness like it was nothing (even though not the same thing, the point is when it comes to "fights" these guys are completely different people. I seriously wonder if people realize that Hashirama, has a one hit too? (remember the flowers Madara used) i doubt Itachi would live out of that.

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Hashirama broked Orochimaru 's control . Tsukuyomi should be no problem he is the strongest senju
 

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Only Sasuke can break Itachi's Tsukuyomi, not even other Uchihas can accomplish so: . So if any other Uchiha is caught, he's doomed as well. So far, we haven't seen anything from Hashirama's side. I doubt he can break Itachi's MS genjustu, only Sasuke has that privilege, as he shares his blood.
 

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Probably not completely break it but I have a feeling he can withstand its effects due to his senju heritage.
And for those saying he cant because Itachi said only a blood relative can break it, let me ask you this; has Itachi ever fought a senju before? You should know by now that not everything a character says about his abilities are 100% true. For example the sword of kusanagi was said to be able to pierce anything and yet if failed to pierce Naruto. As Itachi himself said:"every jutsu has a weakness"
 
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Hashirama has absolutely no need to worry about tsukiyomi at all, Mokuton clones tank it effortlessly.
 
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