It's a gimmick technique, that is near useless against high level Shinobi. You just hold your breath when you see it coming, and get some distance, then counter attack. Even a teenage Sakura knew to hold her breath when poison was being used. Even Tsunade's lame apprentice can use poison (again, to no effect, Kabuto just dodged it). Shizune's poison is said to be fatal if even a whiff is breathed in. And it was useless.
they knew to do that because they are medical ninjas and have experience with poison. kankuro fell to it. young mifune fell to it. sannin only didnt because hanzo spared them
So far one person has fallen for the poison cloud- Kankuro, who is a nice shinobi, but nothing special. The other, Mifune, didn't fall for it, he was stabbed with a weapon that had poison on it. None of this leads anyone to believe Kage level ninja will be unable to evade a poison attack which many others like Sakura have been able to do in the past (and they didn't use medical ninjutsu to do it either).
What you just wrote was both irrelevant and a lie. Jutsu do not all require seals, and Mei's lava globs require no seals. That's why when she does them, we don't see any seals (in the manga nor anime), and that's why the wiki lists zero seals as required. For you to invent a seal to further your argument is disgraceful. What "seal" does she need? Ox? Boar? Please tell me. Maybe it's a new seal we haven't been told about.
It's like you didn't even follow the argument... yes, most jutsu require seals... but mos Kage level shinobi either can do jutsu without seals, or can circumvent this weakness... this was explained in excruciatingly slow language, though apparently not slow enough for you. Hanzo can't... and that sucks for him. I mean, I just named dozens of shinobi who would have raped Mifune in those circumstances (and there are many, many more), and all you can do in reply is ignore those examples and talk about how it's "a special case". I mean, how special of a case is it if hundreds of shinobi can do it? It's Hanzo who looks crap, because he has no work around for it... embarassingly. Even Konohamaru could work around it with the rasengan. Some kid.
This is a seal... And notice how she needs time to build up chakra, just as my above link described perfectly, you just ignore it. Point isn't, whether she needs seals or not. She simply wont have time to build up chakra to spit out enough lava to kill Mifune. It would also be safe to assume that KKG takes more chakra manipulation than simple suiton. So it also takes longer.
When you see fights, and one user uses a fire technique, you only counter it, by noticing, when he starts to build up chakra for the technique. This is illustrated countless times in the anime. The reason is obvious, if you wait longer, you wont be able to reach it in time. Like when Mei wants to block a fire tech from Madara, but she isn't fast enough, Tsunade has to block it with her regenerating technique.
Take this for instance, why didn't Sasuke just destroy him with a fire technique? If it's faster. We both know, Sasuke is probably one of the fastest at casting such a technique.
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Obviously, he isn't fast enough. He had to use sword. Which again proves that Mei couldn't do it either, if they start as close, as Sasuke was to Mifune in this situation.
And clearly she needs even more time to do boil release, as she needs to use a more specific seal for that:
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And here is for lava release, clearly needs time, and the same type of seal, as for her suiton...
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She will be beheaded, before she can spit one ounce of lava on Mifune, with as I said, a short starting distance, her only option is to back away from him, but will she be fast enough? I doubt it. Mifune surely is kage level, his type of combat is unique U_U Don't even bother saying I'm lying again. Or do you disagree with the manga? In that case, I will refrain from entering your threads, since they will be irrelevant, to what I like to discuss regarding the manga.
Suiton requires seals, so it's not surprising she'd need to make hand seals to do it (whatever seals she ends up needing to form, which is unclear in this scan). Lava globs are a different jutsu to Suiton entirely, and she has not shown she needs seals to do it, either in the manga or anime (which is probably why the wiki lists zero seals required to do lava globs). That scan is utterly irrelevant.
Point isn't, whether she needs seals or not. She simply wont have time to build up chakra to spit out enough lava to kill Mifune. It would also be safe to assume that KKG takes more chakra manipulation than simple suiton. So it also takes longer.
She is shown to spit lava globs with no need to "charge" her chakra first. On multiple occassions in fact. Plus, apparently all she needs to do is lock swords with Mifune, and then he's dead (because while they're locked up, she spits lava globs at him, and he has no defence). Sure, we haven't seen Mei with a sword, but she's apparently good enough at close combat to fend off 5 Susanoo for a time, so I'm not seeing her getting killed by Mifune before she can use Jutsu.
I mean, the circumstances in which Mei would potentially struggle with Mifune would be if she is unarmed and Mifune is 5 feet away. Is that really a balanced setting for their fight? And Hanzo had significantly more distance during the fight v.s Mifune btw. Mei can also unleash attacks on a scale Mifune can't defend against.
Take this for instance, why didn't Sasuke just destroy him with a fire technique? If it's faster. We both know, Sasuke is probably one of the fastest at casting such a technique.
Sasuke could have killed Mifune easily in the fight continued... he wouldn't need seals, no more than Mei would... he just locks blades with Mifune, then uses his eye techs (no seals). End fight. The guy had one quick exchange with Mifune (before other people started getting involved), not knowing who he was, or that his sword could channel chakra (otherwise Sasuke could have just sliced through his sword), and we're supposed to think Sasuke couldn't counter Mifune??? Ridiculous evidence. If Sasuke didn't have to keep an eye on Danzo (and the rest of the room), Mifune wouldn't even have gotten beyond the first stroke probably, and any prolonged fight Sasuke would have effortlessly won. Just as Mei would.
Obviously, he isn't fast enough. He had to use sword. Which again proves that Mei couldn't do it either, if they start as close, as Sasuke was to Mifune in this situation.
So the only way Mifune can beat Mei is if he gets the jump on her when her attention is elsewhere, from super close range, and she is unarmed. If you have to stack the deck for Mifune, it tells you who is really stronger. Hanzo was not just at close range btw, he had substantial distance from Mifune, enough that someone like Mei could easily counter (especially given what we've seen from her in other fights- jump back and spit lava... fight over).
As for your last scan, that isn't for lava globs, it's for her super large lava attack (which I've posted about in other threads involving Mei. A look at the previous page will show you that it's more than simple globs, it's over 30 feet high, as well as quite wide). That doesn't in any way mean her globs require seals (they don't), it means some lava techs might require seals (or a moment to charge).
that is still falling to it. i never said poison on a weapon is any different to a cloud
None of this leads anyone to believe Kage level ninja will be unable to evade a poison attack which many others like Sakura have been able to do in the past
sakura like i said is someone with experience in dealing with poison and unlike hanzo's odorlous cloud, sasoris cloud was dark and obviously bad to breath in. she had to blow herself up to get rid of it. and kankuro wasnt the only one. the whole group was wiped out . first, only someone who knows what it is would be able to avoid it
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and it covers a wide area in a few seconds
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. second he implanted the salamander sac into himself thus his BREATH is poison. chiyo knew about it as she fought the salamander all the time. but chiyos a medic. medics are the only ones besides hanzo who actually deal in poison in combat.
Ive Noticed Only The Idiotic NOOBS WHo believe anything that is written (because they do not know the manga) agree with you. LMAO
You sir are far from correct its sadd! Hanzou Is OP and super powerful like his rep suggest!
1. They were not teenagers, nor does it say they were in the manga
2. He didnt fight "Evenly" with the sanin Noob! He destroyed an entire amy of konaha shinobi with ease (not even trying), among the army was the 3 of them that lasted and he spared them. He could of killed them if he chose to, no contest! FACT!
3. Jman even after seeing itachi, minato, sarutobi, oru, tsunade (in primes), kisame, kakashi and other super powerful shinobi even thought it wasnt possible for a ninja to defeat Prime Hanzou! Jman>>>>>>Your retarded opinion! Fact!
4. Hanzou was defeated by one of the most powerful ninjas to ever live! Nagato and 6 paths! And to add on, Nagato knew all of hanzous secrets, and the 6 paths do not breath so poison was useless! ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he stop training! Read the F'cking Manga Scrub!
Hanzou Is super OP, and oly A Noob who doesnt read the manga would agree with you. (All the new dumb @SS users)
no way. the sannin albeit young were still prodigies. we have no idea what they were capable of, but Hanzou FLATTENED them. he also crippled Nagato with his rinnegan. Jiraiya was surprised that the Akatuski leader- the leader of ten s-rank criminals, including orochimaru, itachi, kisame etc mind you, could beat Hanzou. that implies that Hanzou was easily mid to high-kage level. by the time Pain killed him, he had grown paranoid and his skills atrophied. and Pain is more powerful than the most best two in the databook- jman and itachi.
besides, his style is insanely to fight against it seems. great kinjutsu combined with poison, renowned for shunshin, traps powerful enough to cripple dojutsu users, an amazing summon and we didn't even get to see a full fight of him. he was most probably a top ten shinobi.
So far one person has fallen for the poison cloud- Kankuro, who is a nice shinobi, but nothing special. The other, Mifune, didn't fall for it, he was stabbed with a weapon that had poison on it. None of this leads anyone to believe Kage level ninja will be unable to evade a poison attack which many others like Sakura have been able to do in the past (and they didn't use medical ninjutsu to do it either).
Excuse me... what I meant was one Shinobi who isn't fodder has fallen for it. You know, one guy we actually know something about... and he's nothing special is he. I didn't mean "no other shinobi has ever fallen for Hanzo's poison".
no way. the sannin albeit young were still prodigies. we have no idea what they were capable of, but Hanzou FLATTENED them. he also crippled Nagato with his rinnegan. Jiraiya was surprised that the Akatuski leader- the leader of ten s-rank criminals, including orochimaru, itachi, kisame etc mind you, could beat Hanzou. that implies that Hanzou was easily mid to high-kage level. by the time Pain killed him, he had grown paranoid and his skills atrophied. and Pain is more powerful than the most best two in the databook- jman and itachi.
besides, his style is insanely to fight against it seems. great kinjutsu combined with poison, renowned for shunshin, traps powerful enough to cripple dojutsu users, an amazing summon and we didn't even get to see a full fight of him. he was most probably a top ten shinobi.
Living up to your name I see... try reading the thread. We already know they hadn't developed lots of their techs, and lots of their power ups hadn't happened. Oro hadn't absorbed multiple people and added their power, let alone "become immortal", "learnt Edo Tensei", and a tonne of other techs and forbidden jutsu used to power him up. Jiraiya didn't have Rasengan or Sage mode, among other things, and Tsunade didn't have her forehead mark, or her auto regen... so their best abilities in other words... this and more was already covered in this thread... Jesus, try to read before commenting people.
