Madara and Uchiha logic

[King-Panda]

^ I swear Danzo is Tobirama's clone or something. They are so alike that it's not even funny.

People have only seen Tobirama in one chapter, and are already saying what he is.... We have to see him more to understand him, is not just because he said silence that you should say he's like Danzo... If he was, he would try to eliminate the uchiha earlier on, he has authority, doesn't mean he's like danzo, that even steals people eyes

 

[Silverblade]

Son Goku from DBZ is Uchiha as well. He awakened his powers when Krillin died.

 

[L Lawliet]

Show me the manga scan of it sayin all villages said he should be Hokage? Ofcourse they didn't they came to peace to form the village and agreed to stop the fighting, until the leaf chose Hahsirama instead of Madara.

Your own words say you agree with me. You said THE LEAF chose Hashirama instead of Madara. THE LEAF. Not THE SENJU. There are obviously no scans as of yet where we can see how exactly was Hashirama chosen Hokage, but I just gave you my assessment based on Manga chapters from the past and the strong sense of logic I gained from my experience. Sorry for that arrogance by the way.

When I say strong sense of logic, what I mean is:read the social situation at that time. Hundreds of clans finally agreeing to settle down and stop the bloodshed, uniting as one sole territory... And Hashirama just bluntly goes and names himself Hokage, or makes his Clan, and only his Clan name him Hokage? That's a bit unlogical, isn't it? Seeing as Hashirama isn't really a Danzou type of person, in fact, I believe he would have gladly given the possition to Madara.

One Clan being arrogant enough to declare its Leader Hokage would eventually be hated by all the other Clans. But, Oh surprise! It seems only THE UCHIHA hated the Senju. The other Clans, apparently WORSHIPPED them. Out of free will, that is.

 

[shelke]

I don't understand. Where does it say in the Manga that ALL Senju decide what's right and what's wrong, or who's evil and who's not? Tobirama might, MIGHT have been close to be the prick you say ALL Senju are, that's possible. But generalizing is a bit pointless. Besides, it doesn't work with "logics". This thread is offensive against the Uchiha in some ways, and your comment is kinda rude against Senju in return. But hey! Oranges and apples! Oranges and apples...

What is it that alludes you? The general understanding of the manga is brought about by conversational pages in regards to the feud. The fact that everyone here is automatically putting senju - including you - on some high pedestal says a lot. What have Senjus done that hasn't escalated the feud in one way or another? Uchiha had forsaken their own leader, yet Hashirama chose an arbitrary leader to lead the nation, knowing his stance on the whole matter.

Tobirama, in lieu of treating Uchiha clan, that was the ONLY second clan to form Konoha equally, and to give them their equal share was lopsided and judgmental. Why is he so self-righteous to dictate the modes of 'right and wrong', 'light and darkness'? How about pointing that arrow at himself? Not only did he subjugate an entire clan out of sheer 'hatred' and his own 'disgustingly skewed justifications', but he blocked them out of the government completely, planted spies there to keep them under surveillance. Not only this, but his 'fair policy torch' was carried by Danzo and his fellow council members - who are now the elders - and they finally carried out what he started; a complete shift in power by wiping another innocent clan off the map of the village.

I find it hilarious, how you are attaching MIGHT, twice, for such a blatant prick.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

oh man, didn't you hear, the uchiha don't preform based on logic ..... they are a sensitive unstable group that operate on emotions .... sheeesh. (seriously WTH)

 

[King-Panda]

oh man, didn't you hear, the uchiha don't preform based on logic ..... they are a sensitive unstable group that operate on emotions .... sheeesh. (seriously WTH)

True!!! ahah And So does girls ahah

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

True!!! ahah And So does girls ahah

lol but not really ..... even the females in the naruto universe are emotionally tougher (look at tsunade and her losses) and she didn't go crazy wanting to kill everyone, she became the fifth HOKAGE. after reading the truth about the uchiha, the bad ass image i had about them crashed and burned man, BURNED .....

 

[L Lawliet]

What is it that alludes you? The general understanding of the manga is brought about by conversational pages in regards to the feud. The fact that everyone here is automatically putting senju - including you - on some high pedestal says a lot. What have Senjus done that hasn't escalated the feud in one way or another? Uchiha had forsaken their own leader, yet Hashirama chose an arbitrary leader to lead the nation, knowing his stance on the whole matter.

Tobirama, in lieu of treating Uchiha clan, that was the ONLY second clan to form Konoha equally, and to give them their equal share was lopsided and judgmental. Why is he so self-righteous to dictate the modes of 'right and wrong', 'light and darkness'? How about pointing that arrow at himself? Not only did he subjugate an entire clan out of sheer 'hatred' and his own 'disgustingly skewed justifications', but he blocked them out of the government completely, planted spies there to keep them under surveillance. Not only this, but his 'fair policy torch' was carried by Danzo and his fellow council members - who are now the elders - and they finally carried out what he started; a complete shift in power by wiping another innocent clan off the map of the village.

I find it hilarious, how you are attaching MIGHT, twice, for such a blatant prick.

We must first understand the background of the person who we criticize before we think our arguments to be true. Now, I am not necessarily defending Tobirama. I'm aware of how harsh and unfair his political approach was. But you're painting the whole Senju Clan with the same brush. The Senju are not clones of Tobirama. Just like the Uchiha are not clones of Madara. Each one of these mentioned ninja failed to realize that and made their own mistakes according to the affirmation: "the Senju/Uchiha are evil and our enemies"... Pretty much what you do.

You're not looking at the whole forest because of one tree.

 

[Champ]

Your own words say you agree with me. You said THE LEAF chose Hashirama instead of Madara. THE LEAF. Not THE SENJU. There are obviously no scans as of yet where we can see how exactly was Hashirama chosen Hokage, but I just gave you my assessment based on Manga chapters from the past and the strong sense of logic I gained from my experience. Sorry for that arrogance by the way.

When I say strong sense of logic, what I mean is:read the social situation at that time. Hundreds of clans finally agreeing to settle down and stop the bloodshed, uniting as one sole territory... And Hashirama just bluntly goes and names himself Hokage, or makes his Clan, and only his Clan name him Hokage? That's a bit unlogical, isn't it? Seeing as Hashirama isn't really a Danzou type of person, in fact, I believe he would have gladly given the possition to Madara.

One Clan being arrogant enough to declare its Leader Hokage would eventually be hated by all the other Clans. But, Oh surprise! It seems only THE UCHIHA hated the Senju. The other Clans, apparently WORSHIPPED them. Out of free will, that is.

Yes the Leaf that's it, no one else. They chose Hashirama over Madara because he wanted to peace, but they felt Madara still wanted to fight. Then Madara tried to fight for his clan when he fought Hashirama again, cause he feared they would oppress them, but they thought he wanted to just fight, so he left. The leaf did just what he foretold, cornered them is a small section of the village. Hahsirama isn't like Danzo he's like Naruto, Danzo seems more like Tobirama, and sarutobi like Hashirama, his little brother has already shown us he doesn't litsen to him.

 

[yellowxflash]

Let the emos cry

 

[L Lawliet]

Yes the Leaf that's it, no one else. They chose Hashirama over Madara because he wanted to peace, but they felt Madara still wanted to fight. Then Madara tried to fight for his clan when he fought Hashirama again, cause he feared they would oppress them, but they thought he wanted to just fight, so he left. The leaf did just what he foretold, cornered them is a small section of the village. Hahsirama isn't like Danzo he's like Naruto, Danzo seems more like Tobirama, and sarutobi like Hashirama, his little brother has already shown us he doesn't litsen to him.

I agree with pretty much everything except Danzou being like Tobirama. We've yet to see more from him. Heck, I don't know what is wrong with us human beings that we are so damn quick to judge people. Even I am like that almost all the time, and it's only several hours later that I realize how much of a bastard that makes me.

 

[shelke]

We must first understand the background of the person who we criticize before we think our arguments to be true. Now, I am not necessarily defending Tobirama. I'm aware of how harsh and unfair his political approach was. But you're painting the whole Senju Clan with the same brush. The Senju are not clones of Tobirama. Just like the Uchiha are not clones of Madara. Each one of these mentioned ninja failed to realize that and made their own mistakes according to the affirmation: "the Senju/Uchiha are evil and our enemies"... Pretty much what you do.

You're not looking at the whole forest because of one tree.

Which Senju clan members do you know of? The manga or any story will not list every single one, but create a dichotomy between clans based on a few figure heads. All the senju clan backed Tobirama, whereas uchiha clan betrayed Madara. What does that tell you about their 'sentiments'?

 

[Draphsin]

Madara Logic: Ohh I really love my brother, just let me take his eyes, and remove his ability to see.... Oh noooo, I loved my brother and I lost it, why is life so unfairrr!

Other Uchiha's logic
Obito: Omg my crush is dead? Better destroy Konoha and the world (basically that jutsu will destroy people's freedom) How to convince Naruto to join him "Oh you want be a Hokage? Join me and I'll make you Hokage in our jutsu"
Sasuke: My brother suffered a lot to protect me and the village? Better destroy the village (jealousy?)


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so daft....Izuna gave his eyes to madara, why the hell would he take the eyes of the one he loves....? that makes absolutely no sense

Obito experienced the loss of love at an extreme level which caused him to carry out madara's plan, also he just doesnt care anymore because his dreamworld will be perfect anyways.

sasuke's brother psychologically tortured him twice as well as killed his parents in front of him. And all of that crap was just because the leaf wanted to avoud conflict, so sasuke got pissed and took it out on danzo, and next possibly the leaf. This seems reasonable so idk why your b****ing about the uchiha's reasons for turning evil, because even in 619 its stated that all uchiha have more feelings than any other clan which means that they are easily impressionable (sasuke/obito are the main examples)

 

[King-Panda]

so daft....Izuna gave his eyes to madara, why the hell would he take the eyes of the one he loves....? that makes absolutely no sense

Obito experienced the loss of love at an extreme level which caused him to carry out madara's plan, also he just doesnt care anymore because his dreamworld will be perfect anyways.

sasuke's brother psychologically tortured him twice as well as killed his parents in front of him. And all of that crap was just because the leaf wanted to avoud conflict, so sasuke got pissed and took it out on danzo, and next possibly the leaf. This seems reasonable so idk why your b****ing about the uchiha's reasons for turning evil, because even in 619 its stated that all uchiha have more feelings than any other clan which means that they are easily impressionable (sasuke/obito are the main examples)

Why would he accept the eye of the one of the one he loved? I am sure there was another compatible eye...

You may be an Uchiha fan but they are influenced by evil!!! And go from love to hate, look at tsunade, naruto and all that. Did Naruto go evil because was avoided (mental torture)??? He was all alone and still was strong, sasuke got loads of people that like him and acts like a spoiled child

 

[Draphsin]

Why would he accept the eye of the one of the one he loved? I am sure there was another compatible eye...

You may be an Uchiha fan but they are influenced by evil!!! And go from love to hate, look at tsunade, naruto and all that. Did Naruto go evil because was avoided (mental torture)??? He was all alone and still was strong, sasuke got loads of people that like him and acts like a spoiled child

why did sasuke take itachi's eyes? Im sure madara was reluctant at first but izuna insisted because he wanted madara to lead the clan

and you clearly misread 619, tobirama explains that uchiha are genetically programmed to experience love at the highest level. That love is what makes them turn evil if they experience the loss of it. Sasuke wasnt acting like a spoiled child itachi psychologically tortured him twice(technically 3 times with his death), to say that what he did was unreasonable is ridiculous

 

[King-Panda]

why did sasuke take itachi's eyes? Im sure madara was reluctant at first but izuna insisted because he wanted madara to lead the clan

and you clearly misread 619, tobirama explains that uchiha are genetically programmed to experience love at the highest level. That love is what makes them turn evil if they experience the loss of it. Sasuke wasnt acting like a spoiled child itachi psychologically tortured him twice(technically 3 times with his death), to say that what he did was unreasonable is ridiculous

As a guy here said, they should be more emotionally tough

 

[Draphsin]

As a guy here said, they should be more emotionally tough

I wanna seeYOU get tsukuiomi'd twice before you even turn 13 and NOT wanna kill the one responsible. This topped with the fact that uchiha treasured love the most make you seem dumb for thinking that sasuke was in any way "spoiled" :sy:

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

As a guy here said, they should be more emotionally tough

that would be me :ice: (got your back), ya the MIGHTY ruthless uchiha clan turned out to be full of it (full of LOVE ) :sy:

 

[Draphsin]

that would be me :ice: (got your back), ya the MIGHTY ruthless uchiha clan turned out to be full of it (full of LOVE ) :sy:

Pfft, if you think that love isnt a powerful thing then the three guys in your sig must be fodder U_U

 

[King-Panda]

I wanna seeYOU get tsukuiomi'd twice before you even turn 13 and NOT wanna kill the one responsible. This topped with the fact that uchiha treasured love the most make you seem dumb for thinking that sasuke was in any way "spoiled" :sy:

You want to see me? Mate, this is anime! But if you want it this way, I'd like to see you in naruto position when he was younger. lol so what? That should make them even stronger, they are just weak. They should be careful with love then