Lets End This!!!!!

[ItachiStyle]

as i said, he goes underground and emerges like 100m away. problem solved.

Itachi is much faster than him. Problem not solved.

its possible he cna enter it instantly, since as soon as he first escaped the bros and turned into water, he was in sage mode. thats how he avoided susano arrow. he just didnt enter it instantly, because he wanted to explain to the bros a few things and try and recruit sasuke. once he knew sasuke was against him, he decided on fighting them.

No, it seems very clear he cannot enter it instantly. That's why he was hiding in those snakes (which would have been Ameratsu'd if not for the brothers holding back, never mind that he'd never have had a chance to hide in them in the first place owing to a case of deadness). We can't give Kabuto feats he didn't show because it suits your argument.

what do you mean unblockable? jsut get something in front of it like kimimaro bones and divert it. also it cant possibly pierce someone made of liquid. its never quite clear how it works or how fast it is. but swinging a sword is slower than shooting an arrow. ask any medieval buff.

It's an etheral sword... physical objects are meaningless to it. Even the precious databook (which I hate) claims it can hit spirits and ghosts too. The idea it can be stopped by some bones shows a total lack of comprehension as to what an etheral sword is. Kabuto has no time to turn to liquid and hide, because Itachi is much faster than him, so bloodlusted Itachi will have no problem getting him. Heck, if he hides underground Itachi can just stab the sword underground as he moves there, then seal him, or stab the puddle, then seal him. There's a reason Zetsu tells us he was invincible with this thing... one shot, he wins.

useless otherwise itachi would have used it on obito. if he could have and chose not to, then itachis selfish and corrupt

Itachi used "Madara" for his own purposes (getting rid of the Uchiha), but never trusted him, and kept an eye on him. It certainly could have worked on Obito, Danzo was planning to use it against Obito too, but Itachi decided to save it in case his brother went rogue (thinking he'd taken care of Tobi with his Ameratsu booby trap... not knowing the full extent of "Madara's" powers, which included healing via Hashi's cells). The idea Kabuto is immune to Shi Sui's eye is ridiculous at any rate. Again, one shot, fight over.

the manga shows this to not be true considering kabuto blitzed him and cut him in half. not to mention shooting off white dragon before the uchihas could react. kabuto also seemed confident in tanking it anyway. with intel he just covers his eyes with his cloak.

1) To "blitz" Itachi, he had to enter a special mode that takes him time, and had to have Itachi unable to go all out,
2) The blitz never happened. It was part of the Izanami, as we realise later (based on when Itachi tells us Izanami began). Kabuto never actually bisected Itachi, that was part of the Izanami illusion.

itachi cant do that unless he wants to go blind. he isnt edo in this fight

If the characters are bloodlusted, they go all out.

no it wont. amat doesnt work like that. kyuubis corrosive chakra burnt up oro but he was just fine when the fight was over and repeatedly used the body shed thing. kabuto has nigh infinite stamina since he absorbed karin's uzumaki longevity.

You are confused. Ameratsu is so deadly because it never goes out, until it burns the target up. Once it starts, it can't be stopped. Now if Kabuto had Izanagi, and was able to teleport to a new location after being hit, then yes, he'd have a way to survive. But Kabuto's method involves a ripping off his skin to create a new body... unfortunately that new body will catch fire too, since his whole body will be engulfed in unquenchable black flames. He can keep using body shed a few times, of course, but since he'll be engulfed in black flames that won't go out until he's burnt, that doesn't help matters at all. It helped Sasuke because Itachi wasn't trying to kill him (in fact he wasn't trying period, as we learnt), so Sasuke was able to escape. But if Kabuto is hit with a full scale blast (like the one Sasuke used to hit Killer Bee), or the one Itachi uses in the scan below... well, Kabuto is going to be incinerated, and body shedding won't help, since the new body will be caught in the inferno too.

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obito did litlte more than yelp and kabuto's instant regeneration should be able to negate it. kabuto explained to the bros they cant even injure him. in part 1 kabuto showed he can just create new cells. that was improved upon with karin's chakra and now being burnt would just tickle. its not the hottest attack. karin was hit by it and she just sat around while her clothes SLOWLY burnt up. a samurai's armour withstood it for several seconds. it is not hot. its only strenght is being eternally burning.

When you do a versus match, you take the best examples of a character, not the lowest end feats. The high end feat of Itachi using Ameratsu, which he'll have every incentive to use in a bloodlusted fight, is an inferno from which Kabuto has no hope of survival.

what do you mean unblockable? just dont attack itachi head on and he cant replicate the sensation of hitting kabuto and so has nothing to repeat. the loop only worked cos of the horn cut and clone stab.

You don't understand how Izanami works... he doesn't need Kabuto to attack, just for his muscle memory to experience things (which movement will guarantee), he then makes Kabuto experience that muscle memory in a loop from which Kabuto has demonstrated he can't escape.

Itachi wins this fight in the opening exchange (which with Itachi's speed, will mean he's attacking first anyway).

 

[Zenic]

& since you want me to talk more about Itachi & Kabuto ,Itachi Graduated academy at 9 ,Kabuto orphanage at 9 Itachi knows his parents ,Kabuto Does not ,Itachi age 13 leader of his on Anbu group ,Kabuto orphanage -_- Like Serious All Facts once again you're proof invalid & one more thing ,Kabuto Still Doesn't No anything Of his life ,Itachi had kabutos destiny in his hands Re-read the manga!

Although your previous argument was correct and you are right about Itachi winning, what you just wrote has nothing to do with anything. Naruto graduated later: Naruto>Itachi. Sasuke graduated later: Sasuke>Itachi. Kakashi did everything at an earlier age than Itachi but..: Itachi>Kakashi.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Kabuto edo's up some kages
Itachi totsuka's them all straight through the coffins, Sealing all of them instantly. Your move, kabuto fanboys.

 

[enditallsin]

Kabuto edo's up some kages
Itachi totsuka's them all straight through the coffins, Sealing all of them instantly. Your move, kabuto fanboys.

This is the most ridiculous comment ive never seen.

 

[enditallsin]

And as for the kabuto vs itachi comments, lets just start by saying this kabuto could have won the match at any time he wanted to he most definitely had the arsenal to do so, the fact that he was holding back because of sasuke was much heavier on him than sasuke and his already DEAD brother holding back.

 

[Exaar]

Kabuto uses white rage, Susanoo falls, Itachi dies.

Kabuto uses sound Genjutsu, susanoo falls, itachi dies.

Kabuto uses edo tensei, Itachi is made to look like a fodder and dies.

 

[ItachiStyle]

This is the most ridiculous comment ive never seen.

There's nothing ridiculous about that scenario at all. It's an etheral sword. I really wonder if people understand what Etheral means, when I hear ridiculous remarks, like how kimimaro's bone blade will stop it. Go re-read my post about how Itachi wins, and the extensive rebuttal above.

 

[Munboy]

You already addressed it so let me tell you where did those zetsus come from Huh it came from Obito A member from the Uchiha Like come on seriously Your argument is invalid did you read my argument with that fanboy :rofl: Im guessing you did not :sy:

The Zetsu didn't do much, they were easily taken out when Naruto entered. The Edo Tensei required effort on the alliance's side.
Remember the Edo Kage, Nagato, Madara? These guys actually almost took out the threats to Akatsuki-Kabuto unlike the Zetsu.

& since you want me to talk more about Itachi & Kabuto ,Itachi Graduated academy at 9 ,Kabuto orphanage at 9 Itachi knows his parents ,Kabuto Does not ,Itachi age 13 leader of his on Anbu group ,Kabuto orphanage -_- Like Serious All Facts once again you're proof invalid & one more thing ,Kabuto Still Doesn't No anything Of his life ,Itachi had kabutos destiny in his hands Re-read the manga!

These things don't make any sense. Fact is without Sasuke, Itachi was in danger multiple times and would've lost had Sasuke not been there. That's Itachi with unlimited chakra and an undying body i.e. a regular Itachi has low chakra reserves and would feel the effects of Susanoo.

Your argument relies on random facts that have no bearing on Kabuto vs Itachi. You don't use any actual facts which would link to Kabuto vs Itachi.

 

[enditallsin]

There's nothing ridiculous about that scenario at all. It's an etheral sword. I really wonder if people understand what Etheral means, when I hear ridiculous remarks, like how kimimaro's bone blade will stop it. Go re-read my post about how Itachi wins, and the extensive rebuttal above.

I don't need to re-read,and i found it ridiculous that he said itachi would would totsoka ALL of them now i could understand 1 of them but the fact that he said all them made him seem like a ridiculous fan boy.

 

[Badapdos]

The Zetsu didn't do much, they were easily taken out when Naruto entered. The Edo Tensei required effort on the alliance's side.
Remember the Edo Kage, Nagato, Madara? These guys actually almost took out the threats to Akatsuki-Kabuto unlike the Zetsu.


These things don't make any sense. Fact is without Sasuke, Itachi was in danger multiple times and would've lost had Sasuke not been there. That's Itachi with unlimited chakra and an undying body i.e. a regular Itachi has low chakra reserves and would feel the effects of Susanoo.

Your argument relies on random facts that have no bearing on Kabuto vs Itachi. You don't use any actual facts which would link to Kabuto vs Itachi.

you are clueless Because that war would have been nothing with out the zetsu & Did Oro had Hugo take the zetsu off of Sasuke to ressurect the four hokages :rofl: Your invalid

 

[Badapdos]

you are clueless Because that war would have been nothing with out the zetsu & Did Oro had Hugo take the zetsu off of Sasuke to ressurect the four hokages :rofl: Your invalid

O & 1 More thing Your Basicly saying that Itachi didn't Say To Kabuto Your destiny is in my hands

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[USSJ Future Trunks]

Itachi is much faster than him

proven not so time and again as kabuto was always the one on the offensive. he dodged susano arrow for gods sake. cant see itachi ever doing that with speed alone. he cant be so fast that he can kill someone before they tunnel underground. not even tsunade was

Kabuto edo's up some kages
Itachi totsuka's them all straight through the coffins, Sealing all of them instantly. Your move, kabuto fanboys.

how? kabuto already tunneled 100m away. there aint nothing there to stab

You are confused. Ameratsu is so deadly because it never goes out, until it burns the target up. Once it starts, it can't be stopped.

it has been stopped several times. replacements, shinra tensei, kamui, clones. the problem is it cant kill fast. giving the person hit time to counter it. the flames will only burn kabutos's original body, not the one he spit out

But Kabuto's method involves a ripping off his skin to create a new body... unfortunately that new body will catch fire too, since his whole body will be engulfed in unquenchable black flames

yeah no it wont....because the flames wont have engulfed him completely. the way oro did it, unless you could completely keep firing flames at him and setting each new body on fire, each new one will be brand new. it being on fire is completely and utterly impossible. if oro's move already helped sasuke counter it why cant kabuto counter it? when sasuke used the oro replacement jutsu, his new body was not burning

. It helped Sasuke because Itachi wasn't trying to kill him (in fact he wasn't trying period, as we learnt), so Sasuke was able to escape

sasuke still tanked it. if itachi wasnt trying, why risk it by using all these high level moves like tsukiyomi? thats the opppsite of not trying. thats trying your absolute hardest just to survive long enough to seal oro, which was his true purpose. sasuke could easily have forgotten he knew oro's moves and burnt to death

Itachi used "Madara" for his own purposes (getting rid of the Uchiha), but never trusted him, and kept an eye on him. It certainly could have worked on Obito

the wrong eye evidently as obito is a violent tyrannical psychopath bent on world destruction. did he think obito was gatheriong bijus for ****s and giggles? if it could have worked tbhen why didnt it? because itachi is the most selfish evil douche in narutoverse. he put brainwashign and enslaving his own brother over the safety of the entire world. my good god.

Kabuto has no time to turn to liquid and hide, because Itachi is much faster than him, so bloodlusted Itachi will have no problem getting him.

except he isnt. SM users have proven time and again their perceptive skill and prediction can counter even the fastest characters. sm naruto vs pain and third raikage are good examples. even if kabuto cant outrun itachi, he can see him coming and use a jutsu.

No, it seems very clear he cannot enter it instantly. That's why he was hiding in those snakes

he was already Sm at that point. from naruto we know that perfected Sm users need only stand still for a second or two to enter it. and even if he cant he can tunnel underground to safety.

which would have been Ameratsu'd if not for the brothers holding back

madara woudl already be there if it werent for kabuto holding back

It's an etheral sword... physical objects are meaningless to it.

if thats true then it cannot hurt physical objects since its not really there. since it is, and has been shown cutting objects but not sealing them (kimi bones, oro's hydra) that means totsuka is very real and only seals on command.

Heck, if he hides underground Itachi can just stab the sword underground as he moves there, then seal him

how wil he know where kabuto went? your confusing sharingan with byakugan. also if it were that easy, why not do that? sealing isnt killing and for all they knew, controling kabuto wasnt going to work. sasuke said if they dont fight as if they are trying to kill him then they WILL lose.

. There's a reason Zetsu tells us he was invincible

theres a reason why kabuto said hes invincibel too. but you forgot that because it suited your purpose

one shot, he wins.

so yet again itachi has all his power but for some reason didnt beat the akatsukis one by one with it/didnt beat obito. obito siad itachi would ave to have full intel to even have a shot at beating him.

If the characters are bloodlusted, they go all out.

characters arent braindead as well

You don't understand how Izanami works... he doesn't need Kabuto to attack, just for his muscle memory to experience things (which movement will guarantee), he then makes Kabuto experience that muscle memory in a loop from which Kabuto has demonstrated he can't escape.

if kabuto doesnt attack him whats there to loop? kabuto tunneling? madara attacking? in that case madaras the one in the loop. not mu as itachi cant see mu. and izanamis a visual jutsu. anyway itachis dead before he can use it so its irrelevant

. But if Kabuto is hit with a full scale blast (like the one Sasuke used to hit Killer Bee), or the one Itachi uses in the scan below... well, Kabuto is going to be incinerated, and body shedding won't help,

which has never happened to anyone hit with it except fodder zetsus

The blitz never happened. It was part of the Izanami, as we realise later (based on when Itachi tells us Izanami began). Kabuto never actually bisected Itachi, that was part of the Izanami illusion.

itachi activated it after being cut and healing, since the izanami illusion is a loop. it only encompassed things we already saw.
we know this because itachis eye went white/blind when it activated

When you do a versus match, you take the best examples of a character, not the lowest end feats. The high end feat of Itachi using Ameratsu, which he'll have every incentive to use in a bloodlusted fight, is an inferno from which Kabuto has no hope of survival.

no you dont. you never saw any "inferno" from itachi do what you said it could do. as i said body shedding counters any sort of dmaage that isnt instant kill. the danger of amat is eternally burning, not incinerating an immortal who regens from anything thanks to uzuamki powers. even karins clothes didnt burn immediately from sasukes inferno used on bee

 

[ItachiStyle]

proven not so time and again as kabuto was always the one on the offensive. he dodged susano arrow for gods sake. cant see itachi ever doing that with speed alone. he cant be so fast that he can kill someone before they tunnel underground. not even tsunade was

This is just bafflingly dishonest... you've had it explained multiple times that he hasd to first go into some snakes, and then enter Sage mode to do this... the reason Itachi didn't fry him the second the fight began (aside from plot) is because he couldn't kill him... something Kabuto reminds him of... Kabuto won't have time to transform into Snakes (which was not a quick process) if everything around him is fried, ala the gigantic ameratsu I posted a scan of. This is what you don't get... Kabuto can go underground after he is fried... but he will be on fire still... the inferno will not go out, only continue to torch him. Or he'll be sealed, or he'll be hit with Shi Sui's eye, or he'll he trapped in Izanami, or hit with genjutsu (depending on whether this fight has advanced knowledge of techs).

how? kabuto already tunneled 100m away. there aint nothing there to stab

How is Kabuto tunneling 100 m's away when Itachi is faster than him, and he needs to weave the signs to use earth jutsu. Even if he partially gets underground, the Susanoo sword is etheral, it can stab him through the ground or whatever. Itachi can copy his tech and appear right next to him, then stab him. There is no "getting away" from Itachi, because Itachi is faster unless Kabuto gets time to transform (which is not a fast process).

it has been stopped several times. replacements, shinra tensei, kamui, clones. the problem is it cant kill fast. giving the person hit time to counter it. the flames will only burn kabutos's original body, not the one he spit out

We take high end feats, and while I agree Shinra Tensei/Kamui can stop it (thoughKamui had to probably sever some of Obito's body for regen first), Kabuto doesn't have that. Clones are irrelevant given the size of a full scale flame burst, and bloodlusted Itachi has no reason to hold back. He doesn't "spit out" a new body, he sheds his skin, which as we see, is not instant, and requires him to basically crawl through the mouth of the previous body. That will not be helpful when he is hit with an inferno on this scale, because anything that jumps/climbs out of his mouth is going to catch fire too.

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yeah no it wont....because the flames wont have engulfed him completely. the way oro did it, unless you could completely keep firing flames at him and setting each new body on fire, each new one will be brand new. it being on fire is completely and utterly impossible. if oro's move already helped sasuke counter it why cant kabuto counter it? when sasuke used the oro replacement jutsu, his new body was not burning

This was explained multiple times. Itachi was not trying to kill Sasuke (as it turns out, he was not even trying period), so he was not using a full scale blast (as he wanted to recover his eyes). He has no reason to hold back that way in a bloodlusted fight, in which case he will be hit with that scan above... good luck body shedding out of that. This is to say nothing of the fat that Sasuke needed to blast a hole in the roof he was standing on with chidori, then ooze through it, while Kabuto is unlikely to be standing on a roof, but solid ground. Not that it matter, since the inferno Itachi can make (again, see above) leaves Kabuto no possibility of escape.

sasuke still tanked it. if itachi wasnt trying, why risk it by using all these high level moves like tsukiyomi? thats the opppsite of not trying. thats trying your absolute hardest just to survive long enough to seal oro, which was his true purpose. sasuke could easily have forgotten he knew oro's moves and burnt to death

To make it look real... we already know that... just as we are already told if he'd been trying, he'd have won.

except he isnt. SM users have proven time and again their perceptive skill and prediction can counter even the fastest characters. sm naruto vs pain and third raikage are good examples. even if kabuto cant outrun itachi, he can see him coming and use a jutsu.

He has no way to attain Sage mode. It takes time he won't have. I'm not sure how many times this needs to be explained to you, or why you are having trouble following it.

he was already Sm at that point. from naruto we know that perfected Sm users need only stand still for a second or two to enter it. and even if he cant he can tunnel underground to safety.
madara woudl already be there if it werent for kabuto holding back

1) You can't infer stuff about Kabuto's Sage mode (and skill with it) from what Naruto demonstrates he can do with it. We have only Kabuto to go off.
2) Naruto does not go into Sage mode in "a few seconds", and Kabuto sure doesn't.
3) Now you have Kabuto somehow summoning Madara as well as escaping nderground, before the (much faster) Itachi can react. Ridiculous.

if thats true then it cannot hurt physical objects since its not really there. since it is, and has been shown cutting objects but not sealing them (kimi bones, oro's hydra) that means totsuka is very real and only seals on command.

1) Susanoo is shown to be able to summon ordinary swords, so it might just be Itachi was using ordinary sword mode at the time,
2) The sword is etheral not intangible. Again, please learn the difference. The sword cannot be stopped by physical objects... because it's etheral... it can still affect them though.

wil he know where kabuto went? your confusing sharingan with byakugan. also if it were that easy, why not do that? sealing isnt killing and for all they knew, controling kabuto wasnt going to work. sasuke said if they dont fight as if they are trying to kill him then they WILL lose.

How will be know where he went? You mean aside from Itachi being a predictive genius, being able to read the signs he used, and being able to see Chakra as colours? Heck, he can just copy the tech, and follow him... there's a reason Kabuto is trying to get away from Itachi, and not the other way around... and by copy, I mean do instantly (do faster in fact). Itachi couldn't seal Kabuto forever as the sword did, because he needed to make him release the jutsu.

if kabuto doesnt attack him whats there to loop? kabuto tunneling? madara attacking? in that case madaras the one in the loop. not mu as itachi cant see mu. and izanamis a visual jutsu. anyway itachis dead before he can use it so its irrelevant

He doesn't need much to loop, he just needs some muscle memory to use to create the loop. Kabuto doesn't need to walk in a circle to allow Izanami to happen.

which has never happened to anyone hit with it except fodder zetsus

And Killer Bee... like the example quoted... or that scan above. Or the toad belly... I'm not really sure why you think this is an argument for your side. Shi Sui's eye has only been used a few times too, but it's not less powerful because of that.

itachi activated it after being cut and healing, since the izanami illusion is a loop. it only encompassed things we already saw.
we know this because itachis eye went white/blind when it activated

Not my reading of it at all. Remember, the Itachi who Kabuto keeps imagining is fighting him has 2 good eyes too... based on when Itachi tells us the Izanami happened, the bissection never even happened. Kabuto thought it did of course.

 

[Badapdos]

This is just bafflingly dishonest... you've had it explained multiple times that he hasd to first go into some snakes, and then enter Sage mode to do this... the reason Itachi didn't fry him the second the fight began (aside from plot) is because he couldn't kill him... something Kabuto reminds him of... Kabuto won't have time to transform into Snakes (which was not a quick process) if everything around him is fried, ala the gigantic ameratsu I posted a scan of. This is what you don't get... Kabuto can go underground after he is fried... but he will be on fire still... the inferno will not go out, only continue to torch him. Or he'll be sealed, or he'll be hit with Shi Sui's eye, or he'll he trapped in Izanami, or hit with genjutsu (depending on whether this fight has advanced knowledge of techs).


How is Kabuto tunneling 100 m's away when Itachi is faster than him, and he needs to weave the signs to use earth jutsu. Even if he partially gets underground, the Susanoo sword is etheral, it can stab him through the ground or whatever. Itachi can copy his tech and appear right next to him, then stab him. There is no "getting away" from Itachi, because Itachi is faster unless Kabuto gets time to transform (which is not a fast process).


We take high end feats, and while I agree Shinra Tensei/Kamui can stop it (thoughKamui had to probably sever some of Obito's body for regen first), Kabuto doesn't have that. Clones are irrelevant given the size of a full scale flame burst, and bloodlusted Itachi has no reason to hold back. He doesn't "spit out" a new body, he sheds his skin, which as we see, is not instant, and requires him to basically crawl through the mouth of the previous body. That will not be helpful when he is hit with an inferno on this scale, because anything that jumps/climbs out of his mouth is going to catch fire too.

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This was explained multiple times. Itachi was not trying to kill Sasuke (as it turns out, he was not even trying period), so he was not using a full scale blast (as he wanted to recover his eyes). He has no reason to hold back that way in a bloodlusted fight, in which case he will be hit with that scan above... good luck body shedding out of that. This is to say nothing of the fat that Sasuke needed to blast a hole in the roof he was standing on with chidori, then ooze through it, while Kabuto is unlikely to be standing on a roof, but solid ground. Not that it matter, since the inferno Itachi can make (again, see above) leaves Kabuto no possibility of escape.


To make it look real... we already know that... just as we are already told if he'd been trying, he'd have won.


He has no way to attain Sage mode. It takes time he won't have. I'm not sure how many times this needs to be explained to you, or why you are having trouble following it.


1) You can't infer stuff about Kabuto's Sage mode (and skill with it) from what Naruto demonstrates he can do with it. We have only Kabuto to go off.
2) Naruto does not go into Sage mode in "a few seconds", and Kabuto sure doesn't.
3) Now you have Kabuto somehow summoning Madara as well as escaping nderground, before the (much faster) Itachi can react. Ridiculous.


1) Susanoo is shown to be able to summon ordinary swords, so it might just be Itachi was using ordinary sword mode at the time,
2) The sword is etheral not intangible. Again, please learn the difference. The sword cannot be stopped by physical objects... because it's etheral... it can still affect them though.


How will be know where he went? You mean aside from Itachi being a predictive genius, being able to read the signs he used, and being able to see Chakra as colours? Heck, he can just copy the tech, and follow him... there's a reason Kabuto is trying to get away from Itachi, and not the other way around... and by copy, I mean do instantly (do faster in fact). Itachi couldn't seal Kabuto forever as the sword did, because he needed to make him release the jutsu.


He doesn't need much to loop, he just needs some muscle memory to use to create the loop. Kabuto doesn't need to walk in a circle to allow Izanami to happen.


And Killer Bee... like the example quoted... or that scan above. Or the toad belly... I'm not really sure why you think this is an argument for your side. Shi Sui's eye has only been used a few times too, but it's not less powerful because of that.


Not my reading of it at all. Remember, the Itachi who Kabuto keeps imagining is fighting him has 2 good eyes too... based on when Itachi tells us the Izanami happened, the bissection never even happened. Kabuto thought it did of course.

You have ended For sure Lmbo Thanks dude