Stop with edo tensei

[sage22]

I don't have a problem with edo tensai being used in a battle . But there are unanswered questions. For example while kabuto was hiding in the cave he had a board I'm assuming he used that board to control edos. Does he have tine during battle to manipulate a board? Or does he only handle the board with alot of edos. I have yet to see kabuto manipulate edos in a battle environment

This is one of my points also. Like when oro battle hiruzen. Orochimaru wasn't moving while the Edos were moving and the Edos didn't attacke while oro was battling. Their are too many conditions and ifs and other unanswered questions we don't know about to say this 1 jutsu makes this ninja instantly defeat another especially when talking about top tier shinobi

 

[Kurama04]

agreed

 

[sage22]

From what we know, Madara doesn't have an attack quick enough to reach Kabuto in time for Madara to stop Kabuto from summoning.

Haha really what about genjutsu

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

In verses threads or top 10 threads people always make the point that oro or kabuto is the strongest or would win a fight cuz of this jutsu when that is far from the case. It is a jutsu that takes prep time to prepare a lot of time at that and the worst part is you need to sacrifice a living person in order to perform it. If kabuto was fight hashirama he would just go oh I'm going to summon madara and izuna to help me. First they would have to get that DNA then capture someone alive(which is a lot harder to do then just beat them n kill them) then perform the hand signs, then do the summoning, then apply the talisman to control them, then awaken the person summon.

What I am saying is their are to many things to go into creating Edos and a couple of IFS for them to work properly to say that this jutsu makes someone defeat another character especially in a verse thread and certainly in a top whatever threads.

The thing is tho when oro or kabuto fight they plan ahead once u done the sacrifice u can then summon take back and summon again tht is shown when kabuto showers Tobi resserrected Akasuki
And then they later made them fight in the war in a fight against hashirama both oro and kabuto would summon someone just to insure they're victory

I disagree with u because edo tensi is a jutsu

The only thing I have to say is I put ppl on list by they're feats
So yes I do add edo tensi because if ur restricting it u might as well restrict kurama or te rinnigan cuz they're both OP like edo tensi
Edo tensi is a jutsu
Also I won't count kabuto in top 10 cu we dnt know what he has when I count edo tensi is the ppl u can currently summon
Like for instance kabuto can currently summon Chiyo and kimmimaru I belive tht is not enough to make him top ten

But orochimaru he just got his arms back and is now in full power not to mention has. Gotten access to 4 of the previous hokage
So with tht being said I would put him In first place
I do charts by current feats and thts what he has under his belt not to mention 10,000 jutsu but we dnt know **** bout tht what we so know is he has access to it now and has acess to the Kage

REMEBER once u do the sacrifice u can summon and take them back at will unless they're sealed so kabuto majority of his edos r sealed so no I wouldn't count him in top ten

 

[sage22]

The thing is tho when oro or kabuto fight they plan ahead once u done the sacrifice u can then summon take back and summon again tht is shown when kabuto showers Tobi resserrected Akasuki
And then they later made them fight in the war in a fight against hashirama both oro and kabuto would summon someone just to insure they're victory

I disagree with u because edo tensi is a jutsu

The only thing I have to say is I put ppl on list by they're feats
So yes I do add edo tensi because if ur restricting it u might as well restrict kurama or te rinnigan cuz they're both OP like edo tensi
Edo tensi is a jutsu
Also I won't count kabuto in top 10 cu we dnt know what he has when I count edo tensi is the ppl u can currently summon
Like for instance kabuto can currently summon Chiyo and kimmimaru I belive tht is not enough to make him top ten

But orochimaru he just got his arms back and is now in full power not to mention has. Gotten access to 4 of the previous hokage
So with tht being said I would put him In first place
I do charts by current feats and thts what he has under his belt not to mention 10,000 jutsu but we dnt know **** bout tht what we so know is he has access to it now and has acess to the Kage

REMEBER once u do the sacrifice u can summon and take them back at will unless they're sealed so kabuto majority of his edos r sealed so no I wouldn't count him in top ten

I'm not saying having a jutsu restricted. What I'm saying is their are to many ifs, too many conditions, and too many unanswered question to say that jutsu alone makes kabuto oro or tobirama the strongest ninja or have the ability to defeat another ninja. Everyone knows its a jutsu that takes time to prepare. So if they have that jutsu prepared for battle how can we say the other ninja hasn't prepared for battle also. If you do that then you are actually restricting the other ninja. I like to make it a fair even battlefield. When I think of which ninja is stronger then the other I think of no prep time no information on the opponent and they just randomly came across each other and fought who would win.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

This is one of my points also. Like when oro battle hiruzen. Orochimaru wasn't moving while the Edos were moving and the Edos didn't attacke while oro was battling. Their are too many conditions and ifs and other unanswered questions we don't know about to say this 1 jutsu makes this ninja instantly defeat another especially when talking about top tier shinobi

I somewhat agree with u but there r un answered questions about everything in naruto cuz while Kishi has brilliant idea's he's somewhat of ****ty writer if u ask me

Example SO6P (yes I'm going there ) he's the creator of jutsu I kno but do we know what jutsu he created all we know Is we created the moon
Ppl put hashi Rama on top 10 we still barely know **** about him were just going off but the little things we've seen and madara being gay for hashirama yet we still (including myself) out him in top ten

Some ppl put tobirama in top ten for edo tensi when to me tht stupid one it wasn't completed and two we dnt know who he would be summoning when I put somebody in a list with edo tensi I list who they have access too meaning who they can summon

Minato is another one we dnt know **** about we only know very little bout what he was capable of yes he was powerful of course he was Kage but at same time does he truly deserve to b in top ten from what we've seen at best I put him nine or ten

Another thing kurama was said to b made of chakra yet how can something thts pure chakra run out yet still be alive I mean at first it was said to have unlimited amount ten he ran out during war and had to recharge but my point is why is it still alive when it's made out of the thing tht it just ran out of

My point is a lot of **** doesn't make sense or doesn't add up doesn't mean u can just take it out cuz u might as well take out everything..

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

Puppydoggeneral and silverslick shut this thread down

 

[SilverSlick]

Haha really what about genjutsu

Why didn't Sasuke or Itachi use genjutsu against Kabuto? Plus, Kabuto has sage mode. He can close his eyes and sense if he has to.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm not saying having a jutsu restricted. What I'm saying is their are to many ifs, too many conditions, and too many unanswered question to say that jutsu alone makes kabuto oro or tobirama the strongest ninja or have the ability to defeat another ninja. Everyone knows its a jutsu that takes time to prepare. So if they have that jutsu prepared for battle how can we say the other ninja hasn't prepared for battle also. If you do that then you are actually restricting the other ninja. I like to make it a fair even battlefield. When I think of which ninja is stronger then the other I think of no prep time no information on the opponent and they just randomly came across each other and fought who would win.

Thts the thing even if u have no prep time my thin is oro just sacrificed 4 Zetsu bodies for the kages there for he can put them away and for anybody wether its sasuke obito madara naruto the present kages or even the alliance himself he has acess to them an they can now be summoned
It's not like he has to sacrifice something on the battle field to summon them no all he has to do is make a few hand signs and they appear out of coffins it's like a summon gin
I mean if ur going to get rid of edo tensi u might as well get rid of summonings tht ppl summon cuz tht requires them to get markings or make pacts with summons prior to the battle

Or jutsu's In General u learn them before the battle u dnt know what ur opponent uses but u still have those jutsu's to fight them u dnt know if its weak or strong against him it's up too u to decide wether to use it

My point is tobirama I wouldn't include cuz I dnt know what he can summon
Kabuto all his summonings with exception of Chiyo and kimmimaru is gone and high chance he lost sage mode so no I wouldn't count him either

But orochimaru he just got his arms back a new body has senju DNA from absorbing a Zetsu and has just made contracts with 4 previous Kage not to mention the snake jutsu sword of kisanji wind release earth release hydra mode final form and the 10,000 jutsu (dnt count this really) these r reasons I consider him in top ten in fact number 1
The number one no contest was edo madara but edo madara has been saying hashi this hashi tht well hashi can now be played in battle field thinks to oro and not only him the other kages as well

The point is the kages r now (again) apart of of orochimaru's arsenal so with tht plus all the other **** he has yes he is sitting on number 1 spot right now

 

[blackstar9]

Haha really what about genjutsu

It only takes a glance for genjutsu good point

 

[sage22]

Why didn't Sasuke or Itachi use genjutsu against Kabuto? Plus, Kabuto has sage mode. He can close his eyes and sense if he has to.

Haha just another thing kabuto just so happen to have prepared right?
This is what I mean. If they fought obviously kabuto wouldnt be the guy from the war or else he would have edo madara. Meaning he wouldn't have had prep time to get the DNA create the talismans go into sage mode all before the fight even begin. If so that would give him an unfair advantage. If he has prep time how can we say his opponent doesn't especially if your trying to debate who is truly stronger. If madara has prep time how would anyone know if he doesn't already have izanani set up for kabuto or have itachi ready to use izanani on the other end of a reverse summoning since we have seen it is possible.

 

[sage22]

Why didn't Sasuke or Itachi use genjutsu against Kabuto? Plus, Kabuto has sage mode. He can close his eyes and sense if he has to.

Btw itachi did put kabuto in a genjutsu even with his eyes close.

 

[SilverSlick]

It only takes a glance for genjutsu good point

We don't know the extent of Madara's genjutsu abilities since he only used it once. Kabuto himself is actually pretty quick. As long as he stays on the move long enough for him to summon, he'll be alright.

 

[sage22]

Thts the thing even if u have no prep time my thin is oro just sacrificed 4 Zetsu bodies for the kages there for he can put them away and for anybody wether its sasuke obito madara naruto the present kages or even the alliance himself he has acess to them an they can now be summoned
It's not like he has to sacrifice something on the battle field to summon them no all he has to do is make a few hand signs and they appear out of coffins it's like a summon gin
I mean if ur going to get rid of edo tensi u might as well get rid of summonings tht ppl summon cuz tht requires them to get markings or make pacts with summons prior to the battle

Or jutsu's In General u learn them before the battle u dnt know what ur opponent uses but u still have those jutsu's to fight them u dnt know if its weak or strong against him it's up too u to decide wether to use it

My point is tobirama I wouldn't include cuz I dnt know what he can summon
Kabuto all his summonings with exception of Chiyo and kimmimaru is gone and high chance he lost sage mode so no I wouldn't count him either

But orochimaru he just got his arms back a new body has senju DNA from absorbing a Zetsu and has just made contracts with 4 previous Kage not to mention the snake jutsu sword of kisanji wind release earth release hydra mode final form and the 10,000 jutsu (dnt count this really) these r reasons I consider him in top ten in fact number 1
The number one no contest was edo madara but edo madara has been saying hashi this hashi tht well hashi can now be played in battle field thinks to oro and not only him the other kages as well

The point is the kages r now (again) apart of of orochimaru's arsenal so with tht plus all the other **** he has yes he is sitting on number 1 spot right now

If you read my last post on the previous page you will see what I mean.

 

[Waltz]

We don't know the extent of Madara's genjutsu abilities since he only used it once. Kabuto himself is actually pretty quick. As long as he stays on the move long enough for him to summon, he'll be alright.

Twice. Don't forget he can use Mugen Tsukyomi and it's better than any other version of the technique.

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[sage22]

Thts the thing even if u have no prep time my thin is oro just sacrificed 4 Zetsu bodies for the kages there for he can put them away and for anybody wether its sasuke obito madara naruto the present kages or even the alliance himself he has acess to them an they can now be summoned
It's not like he has to sacrifice something on the battle field to summon them no all he has to do is make a few hand signs and they appear out of coffins it's like a summon gin
I mean if ur going to get rid of edo tensi u might as well get rid of summonings tht ppl summon cuz tht requires them to get markings or make pacts with summons prior to the battle

Or jutsu's In General u learn them before the battle u dnt know what ur opponent uses but u still have those jutsu's to fight them u dnt know if its weak or strong against him it's up too u to decide wether to use it

My point is tobirama I wouldn't include cuz I dnt know what he can summon
Kabuto all his summonings with exception of Chiyo and kimmimaru is gone and high chance he lost sage mode so no I wouldn't count him either

But orochimaru he just got his arms back a new body has senju DNA from absorbing a Zetsu and has just made contracts with 4 previous Kage not to mention the snake jutsu sword of kisanji wind release earth release hydra mode final form and the 10,000 jutsu (dnt count this really) these r reasons I consider him in top ten in fact number 1
The number one no contest was edo madara but edo madara has been saying hashi this hashi tht well hashi can now be played in battle field thinks to oro and not only him the other kages as well

The point is the kages r now (again) apart of of orochimaru's arsenal so with tht plus all the other **** he has yes he is sitting on number 1 spot right now

Like the bold statement says oro just scarfice 4 zetsu to summon the kages that he already summon earlier by sacrificing 4 other ninja.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm not saying having a jutsu restricted. What I'm saying is their are to many ifs, too many conditions, and too many unanswered question to say that jutsu alone makes kabuto oro or tobirama the strongest ninja or have the ability to defeat another ninja. Everyone knows its a jutsu that takes time to prepare. So if they have that jutsu prepared for battle how can we say the other ninja hasn't prepared for battle also. If you do that then you are actually restricting the other ninja. I like to make it a fair even battlefield. When I think of which ninja is stronger then the other I think of no prep time no information on the opponent and they just randomly came across each other and fought who would win.

Ur not restricting other ninja -.- read my entire post imma put this as short as possible
edo tensi is a jutsu
U learn jutsu before u fight
U train with te jutsu to get better at it
When u fight u use tht said jutsu

Edo tensi is the same as every other jutsu instead of training ur gathering DNA
Instead of learning it ur gathering the bodies to b offered
Ur point is edo tensi requires prep time
When It really doesn't u dnt know who ur getting in a fight
If u already have it ready to go like a normal jutsu then how can it be considered prep time
U use prep time to learn jutsu in the first place I dnt c ur point on saying edo tensi requires prep time how dont we know the others can beat the edo tensi users given the same amount of time

But bro they have been given the same amount of time example while kabuto was getting edo tensi ready the entire villages was preparing and creating an alliance naruto was learning KM gaara lean ring how to do pyramid seals etc
Everybody is learning something while others are learning as well

The edo tensi users don't know who they're fighting they just know they have edo tensi ready for who they're fighting for there's no prep time involved .... If u count prep time for edo tensi count the prep time for all the other jutsu tht everybody has been learning as well..

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Like the bold statement says oro just scarfice 4 zetsu to summon the kages that he already summon earlier by sacrificing 4 other ninja.

But is he fighting or participating in a battle ?? No
He just summoned them to talk for now at least

When ur learning a jutsu u take time to learn it u dnt know who ur gonna fight but u still have the jutsu ready in. Case u get into one

If orochimaru uses edo tensi on madara or who ever tht isn't considered prep time he took time to do the jutsu just like everyone else who takes time to learn different jutsu ...

Going by what ur saying thts like saying u shouldn't count rasengan or rasengshuriken in a fight cuz it took naruto months for him to finally do it how do u know his opponent given the same amount of time can't come up with a counter for it


Do u c what I mean now..... All jutsu take time to wether perform or learn it still takes time doesn't mean u know who ur going to fight u just have it ready for when a fight acures

 

[sage22]

Ur not restricting other ninja -.- read my entire post imma put this as short as possible
edo tensi is a jutsu
U learn jutsu before u fight
U train with te jutsu to get better at it
When u fight u use tht said jutsu

Edo tensi is the same as every other jutsu instead of training ur gathering DNA
Instead of learning it ur gathering the bodies to b offered
Ur point is edo tensi requires prep time
When It really doesn't u dnt know who ur getting in a fight
If u already have it ready to go like a normal jutsu then how can it be considered prep time
U use prep time to learn jutsu in the first place I dnt c ur point on saying edo tensi requires prep time how dont we know the others can beat the edo tensi users given the same amount of time

But bro they have been given the same amount of time example while kabuto was getting edo tensi ready the entire villages was preparing and creating an alliance naruto was learning KM gaara lean ring how to do pyramid seals etc
Everybody is learning something while others are learning as well

The edo tensi users don't know who they're fighting they just know they have edo tensi ready for who they're fighting for there's no prep time involved .... If u count prep time for edo tensi count the prep time for all the other jutsu tht everybody has been learning as well..

I kinda get what you are saying but I totally disagree. To me it sound like your saying practice and prep are the same and its not.
An example: sasuke as a kid learning how to use the fireball jutsu: he had to learn the hand signs, learn the proper way to mix or stir his charka and the proper way to blow it out. That would be practice.
Now take sasuke and kirin: to use kirin their need to be the right weather conditions. If their are no thunder clounds then he himself has to create/prep them to even practice the jutsu. Meaning before he could even start practicing he either have to find the lightning or use that fight jutsu to create the thunder clounds that produce the lightning. That would be prep, then he would need to know the hand signs, how to mix/stir/control his chakra or whatever to aim it and that would be the practice.