Edo Hashirama Senju Vs Edo Madara Uchiha

[rikudousennin6x]

They fought a near 2 centuries they both are rivals both fought but one came on top we seen there powers and there.true abilities. Now its time to put the real stats

First Harshirama senju
Fought Kakazu later on madara and won
Has 2 elements (Water & Earth Release)
And 1 Kekkei genkai (wood release)
Could peacefully control the 1-9 beasts
no weakness so far
Has been put on legendary status

Second Madara
Fought the 1st hogake and lost
1 element (Fire Release) (5 all elemnts thanks to the rinnegan)
2 kekkei genkai (wood release & rinnegan)
Could control the 9 tails
Has S,MS,EMS
weakness is taijustu

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Hashirama by hype and the fact that he already beat him once and knows how to beat him again, also assuming he has a sealing jutsu.

If he has no sealing jutsu they will fight forever since Hashirama beats Madara but can't seal him.

 

[GiantShuriken]

Edo Madara. He has Senju DNA just like Hashirama, AND he has Rinnegan/EMS.

 

[Unorthodox]

madara stomps still

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Edo Madara wins.

Madara made a blunder by bringing the Kyuubi to fight Madara instead of using Perfect Susano'O. Its true that the Kyuubi is a much more powerful tool than Perfect Susano'O, but Madara was overconfident and thought it would be worth the risk to have the Kyuubi fight against its achilles heel. Which didn't pan out.

 

[rikudousennin6x]

Hashirama would annihilate madara

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama wins by feats:

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he wins by hype:

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he wins by the foreshadowing of kishimoto:

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unless madara fanboys counter this combined with kishis implications then hashirama>madara

 

[BigBlade Master]

Edo Madara wins no-diff, Alive Madara loose but Edo Madara beat him.

Edo Madara = Hashirama+Mokuton+EMS+Rinnegan+Juubi+A huger brain+Edo Form

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Madara Negative difficulty. Hashirama is overated.

 

[Unorthodox]

hashirama wins by feats:

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he wins by hype:

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he wins by the foreshadowing of kishimoto:

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unless madara fanboys counter this combined with kishis implications then hashirama>madara

all those were hype you put up his fight with ems madara like it matterd also feats are what someone did not hype your dumb af madara stomps

 

[Kurama04]

Madara will since he has gained the rinnegan since he was defeated.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

The fanboyism..

It's too high.

Why do people even buttlove Madara so much? I never understood how people can take a liking to an obviously overpowered character.

 

[TheSages456]

all those were hype you put up his fight with ems madara like it matterd also feats are what someone did not hype your dumb af madara stomps

hashirama beating madara is a feat.
madara calling hashirama the ultimate shinobi is hype.

anyways you didnt even counter my post and you basically just said-

"no i dont want to accept that hashirama is obviously stronger than madara when everything points to it even though my opinion is completely unsupported by manga canon".

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

neither have known seals but i bet madara could pin him underneath a meteor then walk off.

ashirama beating madara is a feat.

hashirama fighting someone offscreen with little intel how it went down or what he was doing or how mcuh prep or knowledge he had is hype.

hashirama wins by feats:

so he has shown a feat more impressive than making 25 susanos, summoning 2 meteors and slicing mountain ranges up? look at his fight with hiruzen and tell me does that fukin clown beat madara uchiha?
so hes shown he can seal edo tenseis?

he wins by the foreshadowing of kishimoto:

he wasnt foreshadowing ****. naruto the protagonist will beat him, not some dead dude

Hashirama would annihilate madara

madara laughs off his attempt with regeneration

Hashirama by hype and the fact that he already beat him once and knows how to beat him again, also assuming he has a sealing juts

lol lee "already beat sasuke once" too. by your logic, lee will beat sasuke because he knows how to beat him, and becasue he did so once before. the difference between alive madara and eod was made clear by kabuto. what hype suggests he knows of a way to seal madara or to counter 30 odd susano users all with shared connected eyes?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If we really have to go there, 8 gates lee would beat Sasuke.

 

[TheSages456]

neither have known seals but i bet madara could pin him underneath a meteor then walk off.


hashirama fighting someone offscreen with little intel how it went down or what he was doing or how mcuh prep or knowledge he had is hype.


so he has shown a feat more impressive than making 25 susanos, summoning 2 meteors and slicing mountain ranges up? look at his fight with hiruzen and tell me does that fukin clown beat madara uchiha?
so hes shown he can seal edo tenseis?

he wasnt foreshadowing ****. naruto the protagonist will beat him, not some dead dude


madara laughs off his attempt with regeneration

lol lee "already beat sasuke once" too. by your logic, lee will beat sasuke because he knows how to beat him, and becasue he did so once before. the difference between alive madara and eod was made clear by kabuto. what hype suggests he knows of a way to seal madara or to counter 30 odd susano users all with shared connected eyes?

its something that hashirama did and accomplished therefore it is a feat. off panel feats are still feats. madara beat the 5 kages off panel.

hashirama beat a full power madara which is perfect susano and it slices up mountains like they are sushi and its stronger than madaras rinnegan and mokuton techs therefore hashirama is put above madaras rinnegan and mokuton by powerscaling.

madara says that only hashirama could ever stop him and that hashirama wasnt alive anymore which basically means that hashirama isnt there anymore to stop madara. a few chapters later, hashirama is revived. seems like foreshadowing to me.

hashirama laughs at madaras new techs and scolds him for trying to kill him with techs that are obviously below his level.

you are just exaggerating the gap between edo and ems madara. edo madara is only more complete than ems madara. their full power is the same(perfect susano). edo madara only has higher base stats. madaras full power(perfect susano) is beyond any of his other techs and hashirama beat it. hashiramas full power>perfect susano>>>>>>madaras new techs

 

[Kages]

Hashirama high diff

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

its something that hashirama did and accomplished

ok. show me madara's defeated body. show me how hashirama countered kyuubi. show me how he countered susano. show me how he countered genjutsu. show me how much prep and knowledge he had and how much chakra madara had. moreover show me how madara stoel his powers and how much of a role mito played. then if you do that and hashirama still won fair and square with tangible feats then i consider that non hype

off panel feats are still feats. madara beat the 5 kages off panel.

so sasuke defeated zabuza? someone said he did so it must be true, right?
kages were already exhausted and powerless. madara would have lost a long time ago if he didnt have limitless stamina

madara says that only hashirama could ever stop him and that hashirama wasnt alive anymore which basically means that hashirama isnt there anymore to stop madara. a few chapters later, hashirama is revived. seems like foreshadowing to me.

madara also says the alliance are insects and that he couldnt beat naruto and bee in the space of time he wanted to. naruto and bee therefore stopped his plans and thus him. so madara then and there was proven wrong and hashiramas not the only person to stop him. also madara was recounting his only defeat. hes never lost a fight except vs hashirama and hes gotten far stronger. bee said madaras mokuton = hashirama's. and madara also said everyone who saw perfect susano died. meaningif he just used that and not kyuubi he would have won. hashirama didnt stop him considering he lived for so long afterwards and stole hashiramas powers. he failed and madaras gotten this strong because of that.

hashirama laughs at madaras new techs and scolds him for trying to kill him with techs that are obviously below his level.

a vortex that one panels any and all jutsu is below him?

madaras full power(perfect susano) is beyond any of his other techs and hashirama beat it

madara is stronger than he was alive according to kabuto. also show me scans of hashirama fighting perfect susano whne its implied madara didnt even use it on him. everyone who saw it died, except for kages. also how do you know he didnt beat it through trickery or through mito's aid? we know nothing about what went down. and until we do hashiramas featless and weak

 

[Lilt]

This isn't debatable. At all. The last time Hashirama and Madara fought, it was close. You can see Hashirama is all bloodied up. Since then, Madara gained all of Hashirama's power and the Rinnegan, too.

Hashirama

• Mokuton
• Regeneration

Madara

• Eternal Mangekyō
• Mokuton
• Regeneration
• Rinnegan
• Gedō Mazō

 

[TheSages456]

ok. show me madara's defeated body. show me how hashirama countered kyuubi. show me how he countered susano. show me how he countered genjutsu. show me how much prep and knowledge he had and how much chakra madara had. moreover show me how madara stoel his powers and how much of a role mito played. then if you do that and hashirama still won fair and square with tangible feats then i consider that non hype

i dont want to hear any BS like "oh it obitos fashback and he is a liar".

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madara said that hashirama won and he said that he fought hashirama and him alone and still lost. thats all that matters. feats even if they are off-panel are feats.

so sasuke defeated zabuza? someone said he did so it must be true, right?
kages were already exhausted and powerless. madara would have lost a long time ago if he didnt have limitless stamina

sasuke and zabuza are irrelevant to the discussion. it doesnt matter if the kages were tired. madara still beat the kages off-panel which is still a feat. the bold is speculation and madara already fought for a full day spamming map altering techs against hashirama so that argument is garbage regardless.

madara also says the alliance are insects and that he couldnt beat naruto and bee in the space of time he wanted to. naruto and bee therefore stopped his plans and thus him. so madara then and there was proven wrong and hashiramas not the only person to stop him. also madara was recounting his only defeat. hes never lost a fight except vs hashirama and hes gotten far stronger. bee said madaras mokuton = hashirama's. and madara also said everyone who saw perfect susano died. meaningif he just used that and not kyuubi he would have won. hashirama didnt stop him considering he lived for so long afterwards and stole hashiramas powers. he failed and madaras gotten this strong because of that.

madara never said that bold. being dishonest eh? madara was obviously talking combat-wise. madara wasnt beaten by naruto or bee. they didnt land one hit on him. the only time he was hit was by gais hirudora.
bee merely said that the wood paralysis tech that madara used was identical to hashiramas. he never said that they were equal in every aspect with no difference.
Bee: "The wood's constrictions's gone weak!"

Guy: "Owwww...!!"

Bee: "Careful, Naruto! The enemy's Wood paralysis is identical to the first Hokage's!

It has the ability to bind biju power!"

Naruto: "So just like captain Yamato, huh!"

Obito: "..."

SFX: WSH

"A Sharingan-relying lightning blade...

You've really honed and mastered that left eye, even awakening the Mangekyo...

However... Can you return from the other place one more time...?

In your current condition?"

SFX: ZWW ZWW

a vortex that one panels any and all jutsu is below him?

madara already used preta path while standing on a mokuton branch and nothing happened to it.

madara is stronger than he was alive according to kabuto. also show me scans of hashirama fighting perfect susano whne its implied madara didnt even use it on him. everyone who saw it died, except for kages. also how do you know he didnt beat it through trickery or through mito's aid? we know nothing about what went down. and until we do hashiramas featless and weak

madara is simply more complete currently and this is supported by his full power being the same as it was against hashirama:

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the bold has been disproved too many times already. using an argument like that is basically concessionary.