5 Paths of Pain vs. Uchiha Itachi !
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That has nothing to do with knowledge, it is rather common sense that summons will vanish in the case the summoner is killed off. Amaterasu is well suited for all ranges and appears wherever the Sharingan aims for; that even counts if Chikushodo flew up with his bird. As the Sharingan sees Chakra and Itachi didn't have problems in keeping up with Sasuke when it even came to the Shuriken duel, he will not having problems in aiming for Chikushodo. By the way Itachi is in possession of his health according to the op. It's right, Pain has the superior number, but Itachi has the superior techniques. Susanoo offers you pretty much perfect offense and defense, especially with Totsukas sword and Yatas mirror, such as Amaterasu and Genjutsu, where I'm more referring to paralyzing Genjutsu than illusions. Susanoo could literally wipe them out with a few swings of Totsukas blade without the Paths being able to do anything.
Ningendou's ability is limited in taking out souls by touching the victim, Asuras attacks will not harm higher stages of Susanoo, let alone the final form with Yatas mirror, Naraka Path is only reviving the Paths and Gakido is absorbing Chakra - after one attack was absorbed, Itachi will already came to the conclusion that Ninjutsus are not working. Totsukas sword can anyway not be absorbed.
Of course you shouldn't underestimate Itachis stamina, as he already demonstrated an increased usage of his taxing techniques while being on the blink of his death, due to his sickness. Using Tsukuyomi, enduring it being broken, using two long periods of Amaterasu which burned Sasukes Katon techniques and set the whole forest in fire and deleting the Amaterasu burning on Sasuke, what was proved to be quite taxing, too. Afterwards he used Susanoo for about 10 minutes, which was used to repel Kirin, to fight Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu and to seal him away and was kept up for Sasukes further attacks, to the last moment of Itachi sealing his Amaterasu in Sasukes eyes. I primarily referred to his Mangekyō Sharingan, as Itachi used usual techniques like Genjutsu, Katon-techniques and Kagebunshin, too. If he only will continue to take his essencial medicines he stopped to take for Sasuke, his stamina will increase, let alone if he's healthy.
Even if Itachi will have to face Pain along with the summons, his Susanoo is a force the five realms cannot deal with, as they don't have any significant offense, nor durability, and the summonings are relative weak, too. They would partially be killed with one swing of Susanoos sword, not considered that Chikushodo in fact cannot summon all of his summons at once, but always summons 1 to 2 summons at once.
Killing Chikushodo first, like a logical thinking Ninja would do if having the possibility, would put Pain in a hopeless position, as four paths without significant forces will have to face Susanoo and Amaterasu.
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Itachi fought both Naruto and Killer Bee in the manga, too.
"Clear domination" lol. Itachi fell back from eight swords in weapon combat, because he only had a kunai.
Seeing as it was Kurama's chakra, it was more than enough. He was spamming Rasenshurikens, after all.
Naruto also pointblank said that he was much stronger than he was against Pain.
Itachi wasn't going all out either, obviously. But they were still fighting at a very high level of taijutsu.
If he were going all out, then he would be using Susano'o. Not kicks and punches. How biased are you?
This is out of context and wrong. Sage mode is greater than base, not better than Kurama's chakra mode.
At the time, Naruto couldn't access KCM, so he used Sage Mode.
Lol, he dodged one attack from Bee, and you make it seems as if the fight was intense against these 2.
He fought Bee alone later in the manga and was dominated, am i wrong?
Of course you will say he fell back, like Itachi you also say that he dictating the pace of the fight against Naruto, right? Anyway either we didn't watch the same episode, or you were simply too blind to see that Itachi looked more like a scaredy cat who could do nothing else than fleeing away
Obviously he was much stronger since he gained more upgrade versions since back then, but in that condition, no since he already used a great part of Kyubi's chakra to split it into his clones. You can even notice that his chakra form was almost to the end and it's proven by the fact that after using 2Rasenshurikens(instead of spamming like you say) only, he already ran out of chakra after trying to make another clone
When someone says that Itachi was dictating the pace by using anime, i wonder who is more biased than who. Like i've said, he was going all out simply because Kabuto was controlling him. He wasn't controlling his movements since it's kabuto the one who was controlling him. Why didn't he use Susanoo? Who knows? But he was going with full intent to fight and capture since it was Kabuto's intent from the start. It's as simple as that. How can a water down manga be that difficult to understand? Or is it again that biased attitude that shows up?
Not out of context since we're comparing a combattant who fought SM Naruto and you are using this to show a non-existing advantage for Itachi that i corrected. Read what Naruto says. Since when he has sensing abilities in base? He was obviously comparing SM to KM
It has everything to do with knowledge of their abilities, a summon has never dissapeared if the user dies, here Enma is still around after Hiruzens death but leaves shortly after taking the sword out of his back,
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. So it's not common sense to go for the summoner but the summons first, which Itachi already proven he would do as an edo,
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. Amaterasu is strictly described as a short range jutsu, it's not like Kaumi where it can be long range. You're going to have to find a scan of it being used in actual long range, because i'm sticking with it's description for now. Susanoo does offer Itachi a good defense but he'll have to keep it up constantly or he's dead, summons can easily kill him or assura paths weapons which can't be dodge as they can lock onto him. Itachi can't maintain susanoo for extended periods of time on top of firing amaterasu's. Genjutsu is easily broken out by Nagato quickly disrupting their chakra flow. Totsuka blade can be dodged believe it or not, it's only feats are stationary targets.As already mentioned with asura path around Itachi's going to have to constanly keep susanoo up which would drain his chakra supplies quickly. Petra path absorbs his susanoo, which wouldn't be unrealistic as most of the time the user is stationary when using susanoo and the several distractions around can provide an oppurtunity. Which leaves him open to the paths attacks.
Itachi's stamina isn't the best. But each time he uses a ms technique he always suffers the backlash which doesn't allow him to consecutively use them. Still I can see him exhausting his chakra reserves before he can defeat the paths, he has to waste chakra on figuring out their abilities to form a strategy and staying alive which would probably require a lot of his ms techniques. Itachi chakra levels aren't linked with his sickness there is no proof, Kimmimaro had large chakra reserves and also faced a life threatening illness.
His summons are far from weak they had to be matched with the 3 boss summons from Naruto and they were loosing, this wasn't even all of them at once. It doesn't even matter how many is summoned at once, Itachi can only deal with them one at a time anyway. I'll give you the sword swing being enough(except the dogs) as I just flicked through the Naruto fight, but it comes back to Itachi having to sustain susanoo for an extended period of time.
Killing animal path after attempting to kill the summons is most likely his first move but by then he'll have gone through all the summons, which I think drains a large portion of his chakra and he'll then go for the summoner who by then isn't that useful just able to move the paths around. Also the paths would most likely defend her and by the time he's done she'll be revived then he'll realise that he has to go for nakura path etc.
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I'm not using the anime as a basis. If you read the manga, you'd notice that Itachi was the one that flickered in to fight Naruto. Then again to fight Bee. In the span of a chapter, Bee needed to be warned about Itachi's flicker twice, had his sentient blade complain about Itachi's fire release, tanked fire shuriken and complained about how hot they were, couldn't touch Itachi, and then couldn't prevent Itachi from also shutting down Naruto and making him vomit a crow.
And then somehow you think Killer Bee dominated him based on an instance where Itachi chose to fall back from eight sword with a kunai instead of being able to easily burn Killer Bee with Amaterasu/Katon, use finger genjusu, or snatch him up with a Susano'o fist. It was made abundantly clear that Itachi was a level above Killer Bee, because Kabuto essentially stated as much. And Naruto said Itachi could finish Bee with his techniques. Then Itachi saved Naruto and Bee. So yah, compared to Itachi's hype and jutsu, the five paths of Pain stand little chance if they were smoked by Sage Naruto.
Your first scan proved actually nothing, as Enma vanished rightly after Hiruzen has died. It was just a brief moment of him pulling out the sword, just like Pain's summons taked a brief moment before vanishing [
What exactly do I have to prove? Amaterasu was said to converge at exactly the spot the user of Amaterasu aims for [
There also is no need in maintain Susanoo constantly, since his ability to see through the opponents attacks, such as his overwhelming speed will allow him to mostly dodge the summons slow attacks. You will not believe it, but letting the huge summons attacking Itachi, will not allow the Path's fight Itachi freely, as their summons will literally stand in their way, it will be a chaos as everyone will try to catch on person which is known to be very fast and making use of various feints and Genjutsu. Most of Pain's summonings are indeed not strong, Sakura killed one with a punch, Jiraiya killed two (Panda and crab) with his hair, while his one boss summon wiped the floor with the rest, except of the dog. In fact, only the dog, bird and chameleon are useful summons and as Itachi can see the chameleon even if it's invisible, it's useless, too. The summonings disadvantage are their size, as Itachi could easily dodge their attacks and surprise them with explosive Bunshins or even Shuriken and Kunai at their eyes, as they will not be able to react due to their mass.
You shouldn't underestimate Itachi by thinking that he will have to rely on his Susanoo as a permanent defense for any trifle of Pain. After all he's very well served with his speed, his see through ability and his various feints. There would be no problem for him in taking out paths without the Mangekyō Sharingan. Itachi is so fast in making moves, finger signs and Kagebunshins, that even Sharingan user have problems in keeping up with him. Without realizing, the paths could maybe face an explosive Kagebunshin or a Karasubunshin, they could at any moment be paralyzed by a Genjutsu, leaving Itachi an opening.
I can believe that one could dodge Totsuka's blade through latter is fast, but the Paths however didn't show noteworthy speed. They already had major problems in dodging the Rasenshuriken and lost one path. In close combat, their speed was comparable to base Naruto (with reference at Devas close combat with base Naruto) and their linked vision could be well outmatch with Kagebunshin smoke bombs - a Ninjas basic equipment, used by a lot of Ninja if needed.
Itachi is tactical enough to use his taxing techniques wise, and with the condition that he's healthy or will use his essential medicines, he will at least survive exhausted after using a longer period of Mangekyō techniques along with his usual ones.
I'll give this to Itachi with moderate difficult at most, as Naruto proved, that killing the summoner is a way to get rid of the summons without an actual given knowledge about this matter and the paths are pretty much helpless when they will have to face the final form of Itachis Susanoo along with Amaterasu, though it's exhausting. Because as I explained, Itachi used a load of his Mangekyō techniques though being deadly sick, thereunder two extremely long periods of Amaterasu and Susanoo for about 10 minutes, along with usual techniques. As Itachi will not make use of his much exhausting Tsukuyomi, will not endure it being broken and will not be forced to delete Amaterasu with great exertion, he will have even more stamina against Pain.
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]. You may ask yourself why Naruto was going to kill the summoner with the intention to let the summons disappear; Jiraiya however fought Pain's summons first and killed Chikushodo later, along with two other paths. Naruto didn't have alleged information that Pain's summons will vanish if you kill the summoner, he did it at his own belief, as summonings indeed disappear after the summoners death, as they were summoned by the only request of the one they had a contract with. Killing Nagato wouldn't mean anything, as he was an immortal. What exactly do I have to prove? Amaterasu was said to converge at exactly the spot the user of Amaterasu aims for [
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], Amaterasu never traveled but was shown to appear at the spot the user determines. As long as the target is at Itachis field of vision, he can target him and let the flames converge at that spot, as defined in his usage. There also is no need in maintain Susanoo constantly, since his ability to see through the opponents attacks, such as his overwhelming speed will allow him to mostly dodge the summons slow attacks. You will not believe it, but letting the huge summons attacking Itachi, will not allow the Path's fight Itachi freely, as their summons will literally stand in their way, it will be a chaos as everyone will try to catch on person which is known to be very fast and making use of various feints and Genjutsu. Most of Pain's summonings are indeed not strong, Sakura killed one with a punch, Jiraiya killed two (Panda and crab) with his hair, while his one boss summon wiped the floor with the rest, except of the dog. In fact, only the dog, bird and chameleon are useful summons and as Itachi can see the chameleon even if it's invisible, it's useless, too. The summonings disadvantage are their size, as Itachi could easily dodge their attacks and surprise them with explosive Bunshins or even Shuriken and Kunai at their eyes, as they will not be able to react due to their mass.
You shouldn't underestimate Itachi by thinking that he will have to rely on his Susanoo as a permanent defense for any trifle of Pain. After all he's very well served with his speed, his see through ability and his various feints. There would be no problem for him in taking out paths without the Mangekyō Sharingan. Itachi is so fast in making moves, finger signs and Kagebunshins, that even Sharingan user have problems in keeping up with him. Without realizing, the paths could maybe face an explosive Kagebunshin or a Karasubunshin, they could at any moment be paralyzed by a Genjutsu, leaving Itachi an opening.
I can believe that one could dodge Totsuka's blade through latter is fast, but the Paths however didn't show noteworthy speed. They already had major problems in dodging the Rasenshuriken and lost one path. In close combat, their speed was comparable to base Naruto (with reference at Devas close combat with base Naruto) and their linked vision could be well outmatch with Kagebunshin smoke bombs - a Ninjas basic equipment, used by a lot of Ninja if needed.
Itachi is tactical enough to use his taxing techniques wise, and with the condition that he's healthy or will use his essential medicines, he will at least survive exhausted after using a longer period of Mangekyō techniques along with his usual ones.
I'll give this to Itachi with moderate difficult at most, as Naruto proved, that killing the summoner is a way to get rid of the summons without an actual given knowledge about this matter and the paths are pretty much helpless when they will have to face the final form of Itachis Susanoo along with Amaterasu, though it's exhausting. Because as I explained, Itachi used a load of his Mangekyō techniques though being deadly sick, thereunder two extremely long periods of Amaterasu and Susanoo for about 10 minutes, along with usual techniques. As Itachi will not make use of his much exhausting Tsukuyomi, will not endure it being broken and will not be forced to delete Amaterasu with great exertion, he will have even more stamina against Pain.
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But with shared vision, Even nagato will be hit by a tsukuyomi. Staby Staby Staby Staby Stab.
Then all the pains are dead. If pain gonna win this, he needs deva path.