Hashirama vs Sanin

[Steinbiz]

Hashirama stomps each Sannin individually.

please, proof?

every post you make on this website is "this guy stomps, that guy stomps, stomps, stomps, stomps"

where's your proof?

 

[KidGamer65]

please, proof?

Ask for proof and it shall be given.

Jiraiya can't counter the Flower Tree World, he gets put to sleep and then crushed by Mokuton, same goes for Tsunade and Oro.

Any of the Sannin soloing is a ridiculous notion as Hashirama is above all 5 Kage, Tsunade is one of those Kage that Hashirama was stated to be above.

 

[Kages]

Jiraiya can't counter the Flower Tree World, he gets put to sleep and then crushed by Mokuton, same goes for Tsunade and Oro.

I don't think each Sannin would solo, but they would take him high diff together. Jiraiya's Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet would overkill Flower World and please don't say they would breathe it in because Tsunade has already faced it and didn't breathe. Wood Dragon would be countered by Tsunade's punch and maybe Orochimaru's Wind Release: Great Breakthrough. Nativity of a World of Trees gets crushed by all the summons, and whatever else Wood Release Hashirama has gets crushed by Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer. Tsunade's healing abilities match Hashirama's and Bringer of Darkness can be snapped out of with Summons (Fukasaku and Shima) Orochimaru also has a 5 in Genjutsu so I doubt it would affect him.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think each Sannin would solo, but they would take him high diff together. Jiraiya's Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet would overkill Flower World and please don't say they would breathe it in because Tsunade has already faced it and didn't breathe. Wood Dragon would be countered by Tsunade's punch and maybe Orochimaru's Wind Release: Great Breakthrough. Nativity of a World of Trees gets crushed by all the summons, and whatever else Wood Release Hashirama has gets crushed by Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer. Tsunade's healing abilities match Hashirama's and Bringer of Darkness can be snapped out of with Summons (Fukasaku and Shima) Orochimaru also has a 5 in Genjutsu so I doubt it would affect him.

Bringer of Darkness doesn't work that way, it isn't a Genjutsu that is broken out of using the partner method or chakra disruption. It affects the sight so if the opponent can see then Bringer of Darkness will negate their sight. Oro having a 5 in Genjutsu is a moot point as well.

With Bringer of Darkness in play, the Sannin don't know where Hashirama is, nor where he will strike from. In this time Gamabunta and Manda are captured and suppressed via Mokuton then Hashirama uses the Flower World to put them to sleep. They have no way to see through his Mokuton Bunshin feints, so they could end up getting impaled just like Tsunade did.

Ma and Pa are not a factor here as he will never have time to summon them. Sage Mode isn't a factor either for the same reason.

@bold: Not sure if srs, because Tsunade got knocked out and was on the floor until Onoki saved them by destroying the Flowers.

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[Steinbiz]

Jiraiya can't counter the Flower Tree World, he gets put to sleep and then crushed by Mokuton, same goes for Tsunade and Oro.

Jiraiya:
-toad mouth trap(hide)
-reverse summon himself away
-toad gourd prison
-hide in a toad jutsu
-swamp of the underworld(to submerge trees)
-toad oil flame bullet(destroy the forest)
-food cart destroyer jutsu(depending on the size of forest)
-transparent escape jutsu
let alone if he was in sage mode

Orochimaru:
-attack prevention jutsu(merge with a tree and disappear)
-body flame jutsu(similar to shunshin or reverse summoning)
plus Orochimaru just doesn't die.....lol....seriously

Tsunade:
-she can handle the tree branches with strength alone, but the pollen may be an issue unless she gets to high ground.

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya:
-toad mouth trap(hide)
-reverse summon himself away
-toad gourd prison
-hide in a toad jutsu
-swamp of the underworld(to submerge trees)
-toad oil flame bullet(destroy the forest)
-food cart destroyer jutsu(depending on the size of forest)
-transparent escape jutsu
let alone if he was in sage mode

If he reverse summons he would be going to Mount Myoboku, if he does that then he loses automatically due to fleeing from the battlefield.

None of this stuff is feasible as Bringer of Darkness blinds him completely so he won't know what hit him when the pollen gets to him. Not to mention the pollen took only 2-5 seconds before it knocked the Kage out. Jiraiya isn't going to have time to do any of this stuff.

Food Cart Destroyer isn't taking out the all the flowers. Yomi Numa will take too long to submerge the trees. By then Jiraiya would have been put to sleep.

Orochimaru:
-attack prevention jutsu(merge with a tree and disappear)
-body flame jutsu(similar to shunshin or reverse summoning)
plus Orochimaru just doesn't die.....lol....seriously

Are you serious? Attack Prevention Jutsu isn't going to stop him from breathing in the pollen, the only way he can stop the pollen is to destroy the forest which he lacks the firepower to do, and Body Flame Jutsu means that he is leaving the battlefield, which is an automatic loss.

Tsunade:
-she can handle the tree branches with strength alone, but the pollen may be an issue unless she gets to high ground.

Manga disagrees. Also what high ground is there on a grassy plain?

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[Kurama04]

I go with hashi mid dif

 

[Kages]

Bringer of Darkness doesn't work that way, it isn't a Genjutsu that is broken out of using the partner method or chakra disruption. It affects the sight so if the opponent can see then Bringer of Darkness will negate their sight. Oro having a 5 in Genjutsu is a moot point as well.

With Bringer of Darkness in play, the Sannin don't know where Hashirama is, nor where he will strike from. In this time Gamabunta and Manda are captured and suppressed via Mokuton then Hashirama uses the Flower World to put them to sleep. They have no way to see through his Mokuton Bunshin feints, so they could end up getting impaled just like Tsunade did.

Ma and Pa are not a factor here as he will never have time to summon them. Sage Mode isn't a factor either for the same reason.

@bold: Not sure if srs, because Tsunade got knocked out and was on the floor until Onoki saved them by destroying the Flowers.

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Bringer of Darkness affects your nervous system and brain, so like Chiyo said, a partner can help you out by transferring chakra through your to break the Genjutsu. Only exception is Tsukuyomi and a few others. BOD will be broken out of, and Jiraiya also knows how to break out of it because he trained Naruto on it. Not to mention, Jiraiya can always use that barrier to see where Hashirama is moving and what his attacks will be. Tsunade also has good chakra so she might break it.

Jiraiya takes a while to use Sage Mode, not summon Ma and Pa because they are simple Summonings.

You got me on the Flower World one But I still doubt they would breathe it in, because Mei knew that the pollen would make them sleep, I dont see why Orochimaru (who studied Hashirama's cells), Tsunade (granddaughter) or Jiraiya (trained by student of Hashirama) can see why they should inhale.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bringer of Darkness affects your nervous system and brain, so like Chiyo said, a partner can help you out by transferring chakra through your to break the Genjutsu. Only exception is Tsukuyomi and a few others. BOD will be broken out of, and Jiraiya also knows how to break out of it because he trained Naruto on it. Not to mention, Jiraiya can always use that barrier to see where Hashirama is moving and what his attacks will be. Tsunade also has good chakra so she might break it.

BOD is not a normal Genjutsu, Regular Genjutsu cast by manipulating your chakra flow can be broken via the Partner Method. BOD is a Genjutsu that strictly affects your vision, not your brain or your nervous system. So Jiraiya can't break out of it as it isn't a Genjutsu that you are placed under, it is a Genjutsu that affects your vision and your vision alone.

The Detection Barrier lets him know where Hashirama is but it doesn't let him know what jutsu he will do.

Jiraiya takes a while to use Sage Mode, not summon Ma and Pa because they are simple Summonings.

You got me on the Flower World one But I still doubt they would breathe it in, because Mei knew that the pollen would make them sleep, I dont see why Orochimaru (who studied Hashirama's cells), Tsunade (granddaughter) or Jiraiya (trained by student of Hashirama) can see why they should inhale.

You need to breathe to live, knowledge on the pollen doesn't let you evade it because you have to breathe to live, unless you think they can fight Hashirama w/o breathing. Mei knew and she still got put to sleep, Tsunade still got put to sleep, Oro and Jiraiya will go down no problem.

 

[Kages]

BOD is not a normal Genjutsu, Regular Genjutsu cast by manipulating your chakra flow can be broken via the Partner Method. BOD is a Genjutsu that strictly affects your vision, not your brain or your nervous system. So Jiraiya can't break out of it as it isn't a Genjutsu that you are placed under, it is a Genjutsu that affects your vision and your vision alone.

The Detection Barrier lets him know where Hashirama is but it doesn't let him know what jutsu he will do.




You need to breathe to live, knowledge on the pollen doesn't let you evade it because you have to breathe to live, unless you think they can fight Hashirama w/o breathing. Mei knew and she still got put to sleep, Tsunade still got put to sleep, Oro and Jiraiya will go down no problem.

Even if it only affects your vision, do you have proof that it can't be broken out of with a partner? Even if it can't be broken, Jiraiya will use the barrier and suddenly attack Hashirama with a far range technique such as Fire Release: Flame Bullet which cancels out the Genjutsu. Hashirama can't suddenly use Flower World, only Madara did that I believe and I dont think they said he can. The barrier allows him to see chakra as well which is inside techniques to sense that his attacks are coming.

Ninja can go a long time without breathing, seen with Neji, Lee, and Tenten when they lasted a whole manga chapter without breathing inside Kisame's Water Prison. I bet Jiraiya, a higher level than Chunin, can breathe at least 3 times longer than that, because he was chosen to be Hokage, a much higher rank than Chunin or Jonin. Jiraiya burns the forest before he runs out of breath. I don't even needs to breathe (I might be wrong lol)

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Does Oro have the other 3 hokage? If so sannin stomp.

If not, Hashi high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even if it only affects your vision, do you have proof that it can't be broken out of with a partner? Even if it can't be broken, Jiraiya will use the barrier and suddenly attack Hashirama with a far range technique such as Fire Release: Flame Bullet which cancels out the Genjutsu. Hashirama can't suddenly use Flower World, only Madara did that I believe and I dont think they said he can. The barrier allows him to see chakra as well which is inside techniques to sense that his attacks are coming.

Where do you think Madara got the Flower Tree World from? Obviously from Hashirama. Regardless of whether he can sense it or not, he still can't evade or stop it, so he still gets put to sleep.

Hashirama's can let his Mokuton clone tank that Flame Bullet, or he tanks it himself and simply heals automatically.

Ninja can go a long time without breathing, seen with Neji, Lee, and Tenten when they lasted a whole manga chapter without breathing inside Kisame's Water Prison. I bet Jiraiya, a higher level than Chunin, can breathe at least 3 times longer than that, because he was chosen to be Hokage, a much higher rank than Chunin or Jonin. Jiraiya burns the forest before he runs out of breath. I don't even needs to breathe (I might be wrong lol)

Ninja rank has absolutely nothing to do with how long someone can breathe, this is all just an assumption on your part, its been made very clear that they can't fight while holding their breath, otherwise the Kage would have done this instead of being put to sleep by the Flower World. Still has to worry about Hashirama's attacks.

Also Jiraiya has nothing that can burn the whole forest.

 

[Kages]

Where do you think Madara got the Flower Tree World from? Obviously from Hashirama. Regardless of whether he can sense it or not, he still can't evade or stop it, so he still gets put to sleep.

Hashirama's can let his Mokuton clone tank that Flame Bullet, or he tanks it himself and simply heals automatically.




Ninja rank has absolutely nothing to do with how long someone can breathe, this is all just an assumption on your part, its been made very clear that they can't fight while holding their breath, otherwise the Kage would have done this instead of being put to sleep by the Flower World. Still has to worry about Hashirama's attacks.

Also Jiraiya has nothing that can burn the whole forest.

If he takes it head on or lets his close die, the BOD will close because Hiruzen ended it with holding him down and RDS.

So let me guess to be a capable fighter too, ninja rank doesnt matter? It's not an assumption, it's oretty obvious a Kage can hold their breath longer than a Chunin. Jiraiya has larger lungs anyway than Neji, Lee, and Tenten so he can breath longer. Jiraiya has Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet which was easily 30 times larger than Gamabunta himself to destroy the forest.

 

[KidGamer65]

If he takes it head on or lets his close die, the BOD will close because Hiruzen ended it with holding him down and RDS.

BOD would have already served its purpose as the Flower Tree World can't be countered by any of the Sannin.

So let me guess to be a capable fighter too, ninja rank doesnt matter? It's not an assumption, it's oretty obvious a Kage can hold their breath longer than a Chunin. Jiraiya has larger lungs anyway than Neji, Lee, and Tenten so he can breath longer. Jiraiya has Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet which was easily 30 times larger than Gamabunta himself to destroy the forest.

It was your assumption that he can hold his breath 3 time longer than Neji, Lee, and Tenten. Regardless, it obviously isn't going to work here as the Kage would have tried it, and as Jiraiya has nothing to destroy the trees, it is a moot point anyway.

As I already mentioned, Gamabunta gets captured and suppressed by Mokuton, so Jiraiya doesn't have anything to take out the trees.

 

[Kages]

BOD would have already served its purpose as the Flower Tree World can't be countered by any of the Sannin.



It was your assumption that he can hold his breath 3 time longer than Neji, Lee, and Tenten. Regardless, it obviously isn't going to work here as the Kage would have tried it, and as Jiraiya has nothing to destroy the trees, it is a moot point anyway.

As I already mentioned, Gamabunta gets captured and suppressed by Mokuton, so Jiraiya doesn't have anything to take out the trees.

Gamabunta's sword can cut through the Wood Dragon. Also Katsuyu's acid melts the Wood Dragon. The Kage wouldn't have tried it because they aren't very smart :| Lol, Jiraiya is easily smarter than A and Mei, Onoki and Gaara are debatable. xd

 

[KidGamer65]

Gamabunta's sword can cut through the Wood Dragon. Also Katsuyu's acid melts the Wood Dragon. The Kage wouldn't have tried it because they aren't very smart :| Lol, Jiraiya is easily smarter than A and Mei, Onoki and Gaara are debatable. xd

Not when it is wrapped around him, restraining his movements , and who mentioned the Wood Dragon anyway? He binds him with Mokuton just like Madara did to Killer Bee. Katsuyu isn't melting the Mokuton when it is wrapped around her, she isn't even the problem here as she can't take out the forest either.

@bold: No, they didn't try it because it is far from a feasible tactic.

 

[Kages]

Not when it is wrapped around him, restraining his movements , and who mentioned the Wood Dragon anyway? He binds him with Mokuton just like Madara did to Killer Bee. Katsuyu isn't melting the Mokuton when it is wrapped around her, she isn't even the problem here as she can't take out the forest either.

@bold: No, they didn't try it because it is far from a feasible tactic.

I assumed you were talking about the Wood Dragon, since it restrains large beasts. Anyway, he would cut through the wood before it reaches him, like from underground. Katsuyu's acid will do the same, and Eight Branches technique can destroy the wood anyway because it has eight heads and the wood will try to get on head, yet the other will break it.

 

[KidGamer65]

I assumed you were talking about the Wood Dragon, since it restrains large beasts. Anyway, he would cut through the wood before it reaches him, like from underground. Katsuyu's acid will do the same, and Eight Branches technique can destroy the wood anyway because it has eight heads and the wood will try to get on head, yet the other will break it.

Mokuton can spawn from the ground in great amounts, very quickly. Gamabunta nor Katsuyu can destroy all this before it wraps around them. Mokuton of this scale could easily wrap around all of the Eight Branches as well. If it doesn't impale them and kill them first. (Except Katsuyu)

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[KillerMongoose]

Mokuton can spawn from the ground in great amounts, very quickly. Gamabunta nor Katsuyu can destroy all this before it wraps around them. Mokuton of this scale could easily wrap around all of the Eight Branches as well. If it doesn't impale them and kill them first. (Except Katsuyu)

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That technique would not be powerful enough to defeat Gamabunta or Katsuyu. We are talking about a summon that held down the nine tails. A little bit of pitiful wood would nothing to them.

 

[KidGamer65]

That technique would not be powerful enough to defeat Gamabunta or Katsuyu. We are talking about a summon that held down the nine tails. A little bit of pitiful wood would nothing to them.

Pitiful Wood? This "Pitiful Wood" suppresses chakra, and this "Pitiful Wood" was enough to defeat the Kyuubi, it was enough to defeat the Hachibi as well, these summons have no chance at all.

Mokuton wraps around them, suppressing them, effectively taking them out of the fight.

Inb4 you say "Mokuton only suppresses Bijuu chakra" Yamato used it to suppress Kisame's chakra.

Hashirama solos all 3 Sannin.