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Eternal Mangekyō Theory


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A moot theory to what the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan may possibly entail. It’s to be read in conjunction to the preceding theory, [ ]—which basically claims, that Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano’o, are all but the standard techniques that exist within the Mangekyō Sharingan. Possibly incorrect, but the mechanisms of the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan may perhaps be the realistic form of an older Dōjutsu. [ ]
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Groundwork:

Beginning at the first known cause: Rikudō Sennin is a mythic entity; the first individual to understand the very nature of chakra itself. He possessed mastery over a Kekkei Genkai (‘Bloodline Limit’) referred to as a Dōjutsu, and known as the Rinnegan. This eye technique allowed the Sage to completely manipulate all five types of nature chakra, along with the Rinnegan others contents—allowing him to create the first technique of his teaching and practices, Ninjutsu. This consequently made him the originator of the Shinobi World.

He would later have two sons, his Elder Son, inherited his "eyes" (his powerful chakra and spiritual energy), whereas his Younger Son, inherited his "body" (his powerful will and physical energy).

Though the capabilities or functions of the Elder Son’s “eyes” are unknown, they are not of the same level of powers as his Father’s for; his power was divided among his sons, making the quality of his Son’s power lesser in comparison. This power can only be reclaimed by reemerging that divided power, thus signifying that the Elder Son possessed a Dōjutsu with its own qualities not identified to the Rinnegan. This power would later become renowned among his descendants, the Uchiha.

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Attenuation:

The Uchiha were a prodigious clan, famed for having a distinctive aptitude for anything battle oriented, alongside with their, powerful chakra and Yin affinity that made their techniques stronger. They were also feared for their Kekkei Genkai, the cogent Sharingan. The Sharingan is a Dōjutsu suffered from attenuation, an eye technique whose qualities thinned or weakened throughout time—from its origins, the Rinnegan. The Sharingan allows its user to see the "colors" of chakra, which in turn, allows the user to copy a technique. A weakened function derived from the Rinnegan’s ability to completely manipulate all five types of nature chakra. The Sharingan has an advanced form Mangekyō Sharingan, which is awaken by going through intense emotional trauma. The acquisition of the Mangekyō Sharingan permits the user control over the Kyūbi, a tailed beast, and (persons of the Younger Son’s descendants: Senju can control as well.) the access to use other abilities that are unique to the Mangekyō Sharingan. The prolong use of the Mangekyō Sharingan causes the user’s eyesight to deteriorate leading them to blindness. This blindness can be escaped by the transplanting of another Mangekyō Sharingan that is compatible with the user.

The Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan, is the last evolution or state of an Uchiha’s eyes that retain its qualities. It is essentially, the height of the Uchiha power that exists within itself, and can only progress pass this state by reemerging the divided power of Rikudō Sennin: Uchiha, and Senju.


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This theory here is, the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan were the “eyes” of the Elder Son, or possessed its power before attenuation kicked in. When the Sage divided his powers, the Elder Son received eyes that were inferior to his because they lack the bodily powers—which went to his Younger Brother, but these eyes still gained its own qualities, making it its own distinctive Dōjutsu. However, unlike the Uchiha, whose eyes suffered from attenuation, the Elder Son possessed all the powers that exist within the individual stages of the Sharingan. Essentially alluding, that the Elder Son’s eye, the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan is the Uchiha’s true greatness or purity that Itachi spoke of, for unlike his descendants, the Elder Son could perform all of the Uchiha’s ocular abilities. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susano’o, Jikūkan Idō, Kamui, Kotoamatsukami, and potentially other (Izuna’s) were all accessible to his eyes; thus explaining why these techniques within the Uchiha, why these techniques are only in certain members of the clan, and why they exist. The Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan allows the user to attain all of these techniques, and potentially the ability to create newer techniques using the established ones; such as Perfect Susano’o.


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Summary:

The rudimentary concept here is that the Elder Son’s eyes are its own Dōjutsu. The Sharingan and all its state up to the Eternal Mangekyō is the Elder Son’s Kekkei Genkai, but in a form much weaker than the original product; hence is why there are many drawbacks to those forms. The Eternal Mangekyō, presumably allows the user to reach the full capacity of the Elder Son’s “eyes” by enabling them to practice its powers as a collectively. The Eternal Mangekyō grants its user, the privilege to use or copy, all the powers of the Mangekyō Sharingan and potentially create newer ones grounded on these abilities.


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hahaha neat thread. loving the chillstep music

*still reading*

edit: I think the elder son had/has the absolute source of the three dojutsu rin'negan, sharingan, byakugan and their elevated levels.
 
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I don't believe that Kamui is a sharingan tech, I think it's a Senju tech that was enhanced dramatically with the MS.
 

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I don't believe that Kamui is a sharingan tech, I think it's a Senju tech that was enhanced dramatically with the MS.

You must clarify Kakashi's usage of the technique, which stems from the Mangekyō Sharingan.
 

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I don't believe that Kamui is a sharingan tech, I think it's a Senju tech that was enhanced dramatically with the MS.

How could one possibly arrive to such a peculiar conclusion? Enlighten me.

As for the thread: :worshippy:

The segment regarding the Elders Son's douryoku was especially interesting, for it is entirely plausible that he indeed boasted all the Mangekyō techniques we see present in certain characters.


You must clarify Kakashi's usage of the technique, which stems from the Mangekyō Sharingan.

Waste not your time, for one to arrive to such a conclusion alludes detachment from intellectual activity.​
 

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I Find it wierd that his eldest son eyes looked like all thre mixed..... Rinnegan lines but just swirled,Byagukan white how ever you spell that word , and Sharnigan in the name >_<" Wow!
 

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hahaha neat thread. loving the chillstep music

*still reading*

edit: I think the elder son had/has the absolute source of the three dojutsu rin'negan, sharingan, byakugan and their elevated levels.

Perhaps the Sharingan and the Byakugan, but the Rinnegan is highly unlikely. It requires the reemerging of both halves of the divided power: Uchiha ('eyes') and Senju ('body'). The Elder Son's Dōjutsu only held the concentration of Rikudō Sennin's powerful chakra and spiritual energy, not the physical energy instilled in the Younger Son—which is needed to completely attain the Rinnegan.
 

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How could one possibly arrive to such a peculiar conclusion? Enlighten me.

As for the thread: :worshippy:

The segment regarding the Elders Son's douryoku was especially interesting, for it is entirely plausible that he indeed boasted all the Mangekyō techniques we see present in certain characters.



Waste not your time, for one to arrive to such a conclusion alludes detachment from intellectual activity.​


Meant to include some properties of the Byakugan, but that would be stretching this thought farther than what's already proposed.

I suppose so; although I am curious to how such a conclusion is formed.
 

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Perhaps the Sharingan and the Byakugan, but the Rinnegan is highly unlikely. It requires the reemerging of both halves of the divided power: Uchiha ('eyes') and Senju ('body'). The Elder Son's Dōjutsu only held the concentration of Rikudō Sennin's powerful chakra and spiritual energy, not the physical energy instilled in the Younger Son—which is needed to completely attain the Rinnegan.

You're absolutely right on this one. kudos to that
 

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Disagree. The Elder son had a unique Dojutsu, that hasn't been explained yet
 

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You must clarify Kakashi's usage of the technique, which stems from the Mangekyō Sharingan.
First off Kamui is a ST tech, And from what we've seen from all the 3 eyes' powers, ST is not one of them, the only eye user with ST "Kamui" is Obito who's half body is a Senju body and had been completely covered by swirly zetsu body for a long time.
Both Tobirama and Hashirama had ST, unlike the popular believe that it was only Tobi who had ST, Hashi' ST is a little bit different though. Hashis body is like a living woods, so he can pretty much by sending electrical/light signals teleport to any area containing living organisms. In Obito' case, he has somehow built that huge dimension from the same white sticky stuff, and with his sharingan he was able to enable his sharingan to control the teleportation and gain a new "Kamui" tech that allowed him to absorb with his eye instead of using his hand or body! And that's why Obito always teleports to that dimension first and then teleports to his other destination, it's like a connected living system for him.
As for Kakashi, He got it after Obito enabled his eye and the ability became part of his sharingan!
 
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Able to use every sharingan technique? Geez, the elder son must've been really OP.
 

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First off Kamui is a ST tech, And from what we've seen from all the 3 eyes' powers, ST is not one of them, the only eye user with ST "Kamui" is Obito who's half body is a Senju body and had been completely covered by swirly zetsu body for a long time.

Both Tobirama and Hashirama had ST, unlike the popular believe that it was only Tobi who had ST, Hashi' ST is a little bit different though. Hashis body is like a living woods, so he can pretty much by sending electrical/light signals teleport to any area containing living organisms. In Obito' case, he has somehow built that huge dimension from the same white sticky stuff, and with his sharingan he was able to enable his sharingan to control the teleportation and gain a new "Kamui" tech that allowed him to absorb with his eye instead of using his hand or body! And that's why Obito always teleports to that dimension first and then teleports to his other destination, it's like a connected living system for him.
As for Kakashi, He got it after Obito enabled his eye and the ability became part of his sharingan!


There are five Mangekyō techniques not including Kamui: Enton and Kotoamatsukami.

A bit stretching, but understandable. Zetsu presumably only suggests Hashirama’s abilities; Obito’s Mangekyō technique can credibly be predicated of Hashirama’s genetic material—however, there is the issue surrounding the Uchiha’s inheritance of the “eyes” enabling their administration of imagination, to make their dreams take form. Hashirama’s cells seemed to enhance those forms, helping create or created the other dimension. [ ]
 
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I have the same Idea on this matter but I'm once again impressed by the adequate detail and organization. Good thread, Varrah.
 
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