Brains over Brawn. The truly strong, Minato and Hiruzen!
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Lets assess naruto...Please read and give me your thoughts.......I know it's long, but it's damn near proper English and worth the read...
The two most dangerous Hokage out of the bunch. The tactical geniuses.
Senju's are revered for their strong life force, physical energy and immense chakra. They have more raw power over all, possibly even strength as well.
Hashirama's chakra was the strongest out of them all. So full of life energy that he could photosynthesise plants that he birthed by combining Earth and Water elements of his chakra, on a scale so large, he created forests in an instant. His wounds would heal themselves due to that chakra he possessed. He had a god given ability of supressing the Bijuu with his chakra and controlling them like pets.
Yes, Hashirama has a lot of power and strength. But power and strength alone do not insure victory.
We have already seen an example of that in part 1, old Hiruzen, beaten, humiliated, out of chakra, out of strength and out of stamina, still managed to put the Senju brothers and Orochimaru's arms away with his quick thinking and vast knowledge of jutsu. He performed 2 Forbidden jutsus that day, Kage Bunshin and Shiki Fuujin. He was known for possessing a 1000 and performing them efficiently and masterfully! Old age and depleted chakra reserves were his weaknesses that day. Now, he has none, except for the fact that he is under his own students spell.
Minato.....honesty.....I don't even know where to start, let's just review the Kyuubi incident...
Countered a full Tailed Beast Bomb by the Ninetails with a space time barrier, the likes of which has never been shown in anyone else's arsenal, ever!
Survived being warped by the Kamui.(Which no one has ever done)
Defeated the Kamui and Obito in under 10 seconds and relinquished the Ninetails from his control, further injuring him after fully landing a Rasengan, with a kunai stab and a contract seal in the same move.
Made Obito literally run away after getting praised by him as a true Hokage who deserved his moniker as the Yellow Flash.
Dropped Gamabunta on the Kyuubi and immediately warped himself along with him and his Bijuu Dama to a safe distance away from the village.
Warped his wife and his son to the Kyuubi, put up a full physical barrier to keep outsiders out.
Performed Shiki Fuujin, took away the Yin half of the Kyuubi, poured his own chakra and Kushina's inside Naruto, which would be activated at certain critical moments in Naruto's life.
Sealed Yang half of the Kyuubi in Naruto with the Four Element seal.
Seriously........O_O I mean, if that's not the most dangerous Hokage ever, then, you're on drugs. I am a Hiruzen fan myself, not that fond of Minato, but his ability, it scares me!
The Senju Hokage have great strength and power, they are the brawn, and they will definitely get the job done with sheer force.
Minato and Hiruzen, their efficiency with jutsu, vast knowledge, and godly intellect will stomp all, guaranteed!
Brains will always overcome brawn.
I know what you all will say, "Madara called Hashirama the strongest shinobi!" "Kabuto said Hashirama's power was considered as just a legend."
People, please......you can't jump to conclusions every time a character in the manga says something(It is not Kishi saying it himself). You must analyse the manga yourself, with your eyes and brain, don't depend on the manga to give you the answers, learn to think!
What Madara said can be rendered useless by this simple example from the manga itself:
When Naruto mastered Sage Mode, Fukasaku said he had surpassed all those who came before him! Let's see, that includes all the Hokage and the Sannin. Is that true?
When Naruto tamed the Ninetails and activated Kyuubi mode, Yamato said he wasn't on the Fourth's level yet.
You people think that Kishi keeps contradicting himself, but Kishi isn't the one saying these words, his characters are!
What each character states is a reflection of that characters own experience.
So when Madara said Hashirama was the strongest, he was speaking from his own experience. Madara hasn't fought any of Konoha's true Hokage's except for Hashirama. So how can you take his opinion for fact and say Kishi contradicted himself? You guys just aren't thinking it through!
Kabuto said Hashirama's power was like a fairy tale, this I agree with, his power was greater than any of the Hokage's. Like I said, he created entire forests, bend the Bijuu to his will. He had great power!
But power doesn't always win the game, Minato is the greatest tactician in the NV, his tactical genius can overcome power of any level! I stand by that statement.
Again, please learn to assess the manga yourself, Kishi has not contradicted himself even once.
Firstly he has a source of power that to kurama the strongest of the bijuu.....and kurama always keeps him alive and heals his wounds, guides him in battle, whenever naruto needs power he just switches to KCM or BM like a super saiyan making craters around him which in my view is not at all ninja like!! Creating blue balls bigger than ever and same concentrated chakra techs over and over again is soooo lame.....which clearly shows that naruto lacks creativity....plus he does not have the intelligence, analysing abilities and is not so skilled in ninja arts.....when people call him the greatest ninja or say that he has surpassed everyone before him, it is in a way an insult to the very shinobis who have spent more than half of their lives researching in ninja arts and acquiring knowledge, with unimaginable efforts, often sacrificing everything else.......orochimaru, minato and itachi are perhaps some of the biggest geniuses of the ninja world who even lacking a huge chakra reserve lor raw power like naruto have achieved heights purely by developing their skills, researching, mastering techs working day and night, and have done things worth gaining a lot of recognition both in a positive or negative way......minato as you said is a true genius....to be able to handle kyuubi and obito and also protetc his very own wife and child in that situation, it's next to impossible, same goes for itachi, analysing jutsu plus his uncanny ability of planning everything from beforehand with his futuresight step by step, it's something that can't be compared....orochimaru's knowledge, his skills, his defying death and coming back alive over and over again...that is something isn't it! Yet people keep on calling naruto the greatest ninja just because he has good talk-no-jutsu which changes a person's heart...
many people have survived kamui. Noone except kakashi and minato have escaped it
mintao is the onloy one to escape kamui without a kamui.
i reccomend you edit that
But yes minato is overpowered, and his feats are underrated. However fanboys of him take it to far sometimes. Your analysis is pretty good. Minato may not have killed obito, because he thought if he killed obito then someone else would just rise up in his place. Also he may have realized that his son needed to be the one to stop obito. Or he may have just thought to go stop the kyuubi first.(if he survived the kyuubi attack then he may have just teleported to the injured obito and killed him. He likely wasnt sure he was gonna die.
But i will say this again to fanboys and haters. We have seen very little of minato, in a actual fight. So he may be weaker or stronger than we think. The fact that he is a master of fuuinjutsu, and the uzumakis were destroyed because of it, is a hint that minato is more powerful than we have seen. I say wait till the hokages fight, to judge which is stronger and how strong each are.
So chill fanboys and haters.
mintao is the onloy one to escape kamui without a kamui.
i reccomend you edit that
But yes minato is overpowered, and his feats are underrated. However fanboys of him take it to far sometimes. Your analysis is pretty good. Minato may not have killed obito, because he thought if he killed obito then someone else would just rise up in his place. Also he may have realized that his son needed to be the one to stop obito. Or he may have just thought to go stop the kyuubi first.(if he survived the kyuubi attack then he may have just teleported to the injured obito and killed him. He likely wasnt sure he was gonna die.
But i will say this again to fanboys and haters. We have seen very little of minato, in a actual fight. So he may be weaker or stronger than we think. The fact that he is a master of fuuinjutsu, and the uzumakis were destroyed because of it, is a hint that minato is more powerful than we have seen. I say wait till the hokages fight, to judge which is stronger and how strong each are.
So chill fanboys and haters.
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yah but minato released obito's control over kurama, and even then that hit kurama did to minato didn't kill him completely, just severly injured him.
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yah, you said so yourself. Minato's death was sorta obito's fault cause he summoned kurama, which the latter striked a devastating blow to minato and kushina. However being responsible for someone's death isn't necessarily the same as killing them BUT kurama didn't kill minato, minato sacrificed himself. So in short, minato stopped obito's plans of crushing the leaf (and to spark another war). SO minato's objective, protect the leaf was completed! while obito's objective failed, cause he didn't come to the leaf just to kill minato, he wanted to crush the leaf village and spark the flames of war!!
doesnt matter, let me throw out a hypothetical situation for you, lets say you're walking a dog (and its a big dog like a pitbull). And lets say you take him to the park (which is crowded with poodles) and let him off his leash. Now, if your dog that you brought to the park starts tearing up the little poodles, and you decide to leave because people are pissed off, who would be in the wrong? you? or your dog....? same situation with obito and kurama, he brought it to konoha so he is responsible for any damages that kurama does, regardless if he flees the scene or not. (if some tough guy came up to you and punched you in the face because your dog attacked his poodle, forcing you to leave while your dog runs up to that guy and ends up killing him, YOU would be responsible)
he did spark the flames of war, that incident helped fuel the uchiha clan massacre, and yeah his plan didnt fully succeed but he completed 2 of his 3 objectives. And minato sacrificed himself because he couldnt let kurama fall into enemy hands, it would riun the balance of power between nations, he said so himself
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yah man i know what your getting at but you said obito was smarter cause he killed minato? haha, obito is somewhat responsible for minato's death but kurama didn't even kill him, he sacrificed himself. btw what was the 3 objectives? haha his main objective was to destroy the leaf, a stepping stone to sparking war and the third? killing minato? that wasn't really his main objective, he was just getting in his way so he had to take care of him... but whatever lets call that the third objective. Ok, destroy the leaf(fail), spark war (i'm not sure a massacre is the same as war) so we'll leave that at a question mark (?) AND finally objective 3, to kill minato (fail) because even though the ninetails caused damage to him, he did not die by kurama, it was his own technique. I agree obito is indeed cunning, rutheless at times and very intelligent but he isn't "as" intelligent as minato. If obito was smarter than minato, then why didn't he come up with a strategy to minato's ftg and rasengan? He had most likely months of planning but im just assuming... while minato was completely unaware of kamui however he managed to figure it out in a couple of minutes, counter attack, and get off with a couple of scratches... that is until kurama stabbed him with his long ass nail lol
P.S. minato didn't really get hurt at all during that fight, except fall on his ass while trying to get away from obito's kamui.
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btw you know, it wasn't really stated that obito's ninetails attack was to rekindle the flames of war... only until a couple of years later when the village became suspicous of the uchiha clan and ordered itachi to kill them, obito claimed to want to start another war because of the suspicion and the uchiha clan being questioned. We could be giving obito to much credit? maybe he just wanted to destroy the village but then popped up a new opportunity (war).... however i'm just putting out possibilities. But this could of all been part of obito's plan.. :O
-You dont get what im saying because you keep repeating yourself. Minato sacrificed himself because he had to
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-objective 1 blame the uchiha for the attack(succeeded) objective 2 crush the leaf(failed) objective 3 kill minato (succeeded)
-minato used his own technique because he had to because of the situation obito had him and his family in. Obito knew that minato would be too tough to beat alone so that was why he used kurama to kill 2 birds with 1 stone by bringing it to crush the leaf, and to distract minato while he warped him away
-Simple answer for this, obito was cocky and underestimated his sensei
-yes i agree minato has great reflexive thinking and analytical skills, but that is not overall intelligence
-i know obito got beat during their fight but that's because he was genuinely weaker at the time, but you cannot say he is any less intelligent because of this, they are on par in terms of intelligence
it fits in with obito's entire plan to blame the uchiha, he would gain danzo as an ally and a massive stock of eyes. Not to mention he wanted to crush the uchiha clan for madara's sake. Also, he's been known to do sneaky stuff like this (eg. becoming the pseudo mizukage just to gain members of his organization)
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Well minato didn't "have" to sacrifice himself, he could've just let kushina do it and retrieve the ninetails later but yah it is the smarter thing to do cause it would leave the leaf at a disadvantage.. not to mention it would be a selfish act. But you can't give obito credit for that... and i was just replying cause you said obito was smarter than minato, AND I do understand what you're saying just don't necessarily agree with all of it
and minato's death was not obito at all, you can't give him credit for that cause he or kurama didn't kill him. All minato!
So thats two objective failed
and the third was to rekindle the flames of war... btw who did he want to be involved in this "war" uchiha vs the leaf? if so then i guess he won, but that was an entirely different event.
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so tobirama & hashirama are dumb? ok lol...
if hiruzen was smarted he wouldve killed orochimaru when he had the chance but he didnt, tobirama & hashirama have instict and war/battle experience, all they have done in their lifes is fight not sit on their asses
if hiruzen was smarted he wouldve killed orochimaru when he had the chance but he didnt, tobirama & hashirama have instict and war/battle experience, all they have done in their lifes is fight not sit on their asses
-theres no conformation where a bijuu would get revived so it could appear near another village for all they know, meaning that minato would more than likely lose kurama. That was something he couldnt let happen because kurama is the leafs only bijuu, that would cut their military power in half which would leave them wide open for another attack (there was civil unrest between nations at the time)Well minato didn't "have" to sacrifice himself, he could've just let kushina do it and retrieve the ninetails later but yah it is the smarter thing to do cause it would leave the leaf at a disadvantage.. not to mention it would be a selfish act. But you can't give obito credit for that... and i was just replying cause you said obito was smarter than minato, AND I do understand what you're saying just don't necessarily agree with all of it
and minato's death was not obito at all, you can't give him credit for that cause he or kurama didn't kill him. All minato!
So thats two objective failed
and the third was to rekindle the flames of war... btw who did he want to be involved in this "war" uchiha vs the leaf? if so then i guess he won, but that was an entirely different event.
-obito and minato are on par in terms of intelligence ill say because while minato has good analytical skills, obito has just shown more feats concerning intelligence throughout the entire manga, and yes i do know thats because of more screen time but thats also the reason why i say they are "on par"
-again, if minato didnt die and just let kurama get revived somewhere else, then that could've been a disaster for the leaf regardless of what minato did. It wasnt the right thing to do it was literally the only thing to do
- he didnt really want to start a war as his main goal was to annihilate the uchiha clan
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Amen to thatlol yes it was xd its hard to find intelligent people on the base these days, and yeah you too