Brains over Brawn. The truly strong, Minato and Hiruzen!

[UchihaInza]

Minato would have never tooken on the 1st nd the 2nd and ochi at the same time ..Hiruzen wins very high easy diff..Uchiha Inza

 

[medal32]

His smartness cost him his life, kushinal life and his son had a terrible childhood. GENIUS INDEED

 

[Owarij]

@Owarij Deidara only survived Kamui because Kakashi was inexperienced in it, if current Kakashi made an attempt, Deidara would be pissed.

Regardless, the statement was that noonone survived kamui before.. I just showed him there was a case

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Wrong.


On the contrary, it was Obito who made Minato "run away". Obito's plan was to separate Minato from the host.


That was Kushina's barrier, not Minato's.

No one has escaped Obito's Kamui except Minato.

What Obito did was cause a diversion by putting explosive tags on his Son's blanket, but Minato really did make him run away scared.

It was Minato's barrier.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Regardless, the statement was that noonone survived kamui before.. I just showed him there was a case

You were wrong, post #20 is what I meant.

 

[-Sky-]

I honestly think all the Hokages are equals. (Excluding the fifth)

 

[Owarij]

You were wrong, post #20 is what I meant.

Then it was you who was wrong, as Kakashi's ability is called kamui

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Then it was you who was wrong, as Kakashi's ability is called kamui

Yet the difference between Kakashi and Obito's Kamui is that of the land and the sky. Don't get techinical on me bro, you know exactly what I'm talking about. No one except Minato has ever escaped getting warped away by Obito.

 

[Draphsin]

How did I overestimate him? How does his death have anything to do with his ability?

He died in battle, meaning his enemy was superior. And an enemy can only be better in two ways. In strength (overall ability) or intelligence, and seeing how minato was obviously stronger. The only way he couldve been defeated by obito was through intelligence

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

He died in battle, meaning his enemy was superior. And an enemy can only be better in two ways. In strength (overall ability) or intelligence, and seeing how minato was obviously stronger. The only way he couldve been defeated by obito was through intelligence

Defeated?! What?! Obito got smashed, stabbed and got the Kyuubi taken from him in seconds! WTF ARE YOU ON?! Minato died because he chose to! Even Kushina said he didn't have to die, she could have taken the Kyuubi with her. It was a sacrifice, and seeing as how things have turned out, it was a necessary one! Stop doing drugs and fapping it to Uchiha's.

I am an Uchiha and Obito fan just as much as the next guy, but not as much as an obsessive fan boy like you!

 

[Draphsin]

Defeated?! What?! Obito got smashed, stabbed and got the Kyuubi taken from him in seconds! WTF ARE YOU ON?! Minato died because he chose to! Even Kushina said he didn't have to die, she could have taken the Kyuubi with her. It was a sacrifice, and seeing as how things have turned out, it was a necessary one! Stop doing drugs and fapping it to Uchiha's.

I am an Uchiha and Obito fan just as much as the next guy, but not as much as an obsessive fan boy like you!

wow you f*cking moron, i was trying to be civil and have an intelligent debate with you and you call me a fanboy...!? im sorry how f*ckn old are you? twelve...?

Now as for your dumb argument, who was the one who captured kishina and naruto, and had them ay his mercy...? Minato chose to save his family of course what are you smoking son?....name me ONE father who wouldnt choose saving their family over killing somebody...yeah thats right didnt think you could, now stfu.. Oh and tell me, if minato was sooooo smart, then why didnt he come up with a master plan to kill obito AND save his wife/son....? lol now try saying im being a fanboy again because every time you do it just makes you look retarded after i smash your rebuttal into pieces

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

wow you f*cking moron, i was trying to be civil and have an intelligent debate with you and you call me a fanboy...!? im sorry how f*ckn old are you? twelve...?

Now as for your dumb argument, who was the one who captured kishina and naruto, and had them ay his mercy...? Minato chose to save his family of course what are you smoking son?....name me ONE father who wouldnt choose saving their family over killing somebody...yeah thats right didnt think you could, now stfu.. Oh and tell me, if minato was sooooo smart, then why didnt he come up with a master plan to kill obito AND save his wife/son....? lol now try saying im being a fanboy again because every time you do it just makes you look retarded after i smash your rebuttal into pieces

Obito had leverage, what he did by entering the village and the birthing place could also be done by Minato if he was after Obito's wife! Minato did save Kushina before she got killed by the Kyuubi!

You obviously don't get the concept of winning and losing. You said 'Defeated'! And I seem to remember Obito warping away after getting destroyed. Minato won their little scuffle! And he also had a master plan! His name is Naruto, and he already smashed Obito's mask, and there is much more to come where that came from! Stay tuned! Fanboy

 

[Draphsin]

Obito had leverage, what he did by entering the village and the birthing place could also be done by Minato if he was after Obito's wife! Minato did save Kushina before she got killed by the Kyuubi!

You obviously don't get the concept of winning and losing. You said 'Defeated'! And I seem to remember Obito warping away after getting destroyed. Minato won their little scuffle! And he also had a master plan! His name is Naruto, and he already smashed Obito's mask, and there is much more to come where that came from! Stay tuned! Fanboy

Obito caused kurama's attack.....meaning obito was indirectly responsible for minato's death. Obito knew he couldnt handle minato power wise, so he needed an edge. therefore, he used his intelligence and planning to get control of kurama, and used it against konoha. You cant deny his responsibility for this action and yeah leverage is important when you wanna defeat your enemies, there are no rules in fighting and obito took advantage of minatos "burden" at the time. That is called strategy

lol look whos talking you d*** rider, minato would've died regardless if he gave naruto the chakra or not. He thought on his feel and ill respect him for that. But face it kid, minato lost

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Obito caused kurama's attack.....meaning obito was indirectly responsible for minato's death. Obito knew he couldnt handle minato power wise, so he needed an edge. therefore, he used his intelligence and planning to get control of kurama, and used it against konoha. You cant deny his responsibility for this action and yeah leverage is important when you wanna defeat your enemies, there are no rules in fighting and obito took advantage of minatos "burden" at the time. That is called strategy

And Minato's strategy is Naruto, also, he couldnt just let Kushina die with the Kyuubi, he is Hokage, he has a responsibilty towards his village, that is why he chose to sacrifice himself to seal half the Kyuubi in his son and keep the power balance of Bijuu's with the other villages. And so far that strategy is working pretty good.

 

[Draphsin]

And Minato's strategy is Naruto, also, he couldnt just let Kushina die with the Kyuubi, he is Hokage, he has a responsibilty towards his village, that is why he chose to sacrifice himself to seal half the Kyuubi in his son and keep the power balance of Bijuu's with the other villages. And so far that strategy is working pretty good.

kushina wouldnt die, she survived the extraction. Omg you are really daft eh? minato chose to save his family who obito had in danger, simple as that, keep making excuses because all i see now is an alive obito and an edo minato. And naruto is naruto, not minato's "plan".....you speak of him as if he's minato's power but he's not. And regardless, it still takes kakashi to even lay a scratch on obito so naruto V obito is useless as he would get roflstomped

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

kushina wouldnt die, she survived the extraction. Omg you are really daft eh? minato chose to save his family who obito had in danger, simple as that, keep making excuses because all i see now is an alive obito and an edo minato. And naruto is naruto, not minato's "plan".....you speak of him as if he's minato's power but he's not. And regardless, it still takes kakashi to even lay a scratch on obito so naruto V obito is useless as he would get roflstomped

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

 

[Bogard]

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

Lmao seems there is a hot discussion in this thread :rofl: I like the way you try to argue with him, but i can just give you an advice. It's worthless U_U

 

[Draphsin]

You dumbas$! They have to put the Kyuubi somewhere, Kushina wouldn't have survived another sealing, that's why she offered to drag the Kyuubi to death with herself. And Naruto was made a Jinchuuriki by Minato, that's what he died for, so yes, Naruto is Minato's plan for saving the world. Get that through your head!

lol the blindness of fanboys ceases to amaze me. Minato made naruto the jinjuriki because he didnt have a choice....you keep on making excuses but the fact still remains that minato died protecting his family from obito....thats it. god i feel like im typing the same thing over again. He's dead lol thats that U_U

Naruto is not minato's plan...it was his belief that his son would be the child of prophecy.... Your assuming that minato predicted all the events up to this point, which is obviously false. Heres an example of why naruto is naruto and not part of minato.. Itachi, he wanted sasuke to save konoha, but his plan failed, point being the people you want to follow a certain path wont always stay on that path. Naruto coul'dve easily been killed, and he's lost his will to live so many times i cant even count. Did minato predict that hinata would try to save naruto, therefore forcing him into V2 mode? lol gimmie a break

 

[Interfectorem]

No one has escaped Obito's Kamui except Minato.

Wow. You would go so far as to change your own words just to look right.

Here's what you said:

[Minato] Survived being warped by the Kamui.(Which no one has ever done)

You can't wiggle your way out of this. Deidara survived being warped by Kamui. Your comment about no one else surviving Kamui is invalid.

Minato really did make him run away scared.

Show me the manga page that depicts Obito being scared. (Hint: You can't)

It was Minato's barrier.

Just, lol.


I also laugh at how you have completely taken a u-turn on your stance after saying this:

In the end it's all opinion any way. I can't change the way you have thought about a certain person for a long time. So if you agree with me, great. If not, then so be it.

If that's how you really feel, then stfu and stop arguing. You're wrong anyway.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

lol the blindness of fanboys ceases to amaze me. Minato made naruto the jinjuriki because he didnt have a choice....you keep on making excuses but the fact still remains that minato died protecting his family from obito....thats it. god i feel like im typing the same thing over again. He's dead lol thats that U_U

Wrong!

He did have a choice you f*cktard! Go read the manga! Kushina said herself she would die with the Kyuubi and Minato could raise Naruto. Minato CHOSE not to! He CHOSE to keep the Bijuu balance between villages and he trusted Jiraiya's prophecy for the saviour, who he believed was in fact Naruto!(And he was right!)

The only way to seal the Kyuubi in his infant son was if he halved the Kyuubi's chakra with the Shiki Fuujin, that's why he died! And Minato also said he couldn't live without Kushina.

Moron