[Spoilers] Prediction of Sasuke conversation with those that Know everything

[Senju Nuon]

Now that we know that Sasuke has been seeking the 4 Hokage’s to speak with (still amazed at how it was done), what will their conversation be like:


First the obvious, Sasuke will learn details about Itachi’s past, and the coups d'état of the Uchiha’s, and through this learn details of his of his parents, Madara and the history up to the sage of 6 paths.

My predictions

The first question Sasuke will ask about is Itachi and the coup. Hiruzen will speak first and tell Sasuke everything, including about his father Fugaku. Minato will jump in and ask how this can be the same man he once knew. Remember, Kushina knew Mikoto (Sasuke’s mom), and they seemed very friendly with each other. It wouldn’t be a reach to learn that Minato and Fugaku knew each other well enough or were even close friends. The day of the Nine tails attack changed people in the village, and I think Minato will be surprised to hear from the Hiruzen that Sasuke’s dad was part of a Coop planned by the Uchiha. I’m going to predict that something about the Nine tails attack, hurt/angered Sasuke’s dad personally, and drive him to plan the coop. The words that Itachi was told by his father just resonate that there was a reason behind the Coop.


While learning about Minato and his Dad’s relationship, Sasuke will learn that Naruto is son of the fourth Hokage, and not the son of some fodder Nin. If you remember from part 1 and early part 2, Sasuke was always insulted that Naruto (an outcast in the village) thought he could be on par with him. Being the son of the fourth Hokage will change how Sasuke felt about Naruto’s potential.


Question is, how will Sasuke react to the news? Will Sasuke acknowledge that Naruto was in fact a worthy opponent all along, or will it fuel his anger even more to know Naruto always had it in him to be stronger?


From here we will continue going backwards through History, as the Second talks and then the 1st speaks. We will hear about Madara and the wars between Uchiha and Senju, the origins of their clans, Ninjutsu and the Sage of 6 paths.


My boldest Prediction though, is we are going to see the redemption of Orochimaru. I don’t think he will be the final villain, in fact he will be one of the heroes of this war, and we will see him use all his power. The series features Naruto battling against hate, taking on the burden of it and trying to rid the world of Hate. Orochimaru is not the embodiment of hate, he is a badass villain yes, but his goals are more personal (learn every Jutsu, revenge on the village). The embodiment of hate is the 10 tails, and the Uchihas (Madara & Obito) at this point. I think whatever drove Orochimaru to evil (death of his parents’ maybe) will be explained by the conversation of the Hokage’s, and this will change Orochimaru view a little.


I'm on the fence about whether or not Sasuke will be redeemed just yet. This will be a defining moment for him. Will hearing the truth (from the Hogake perspective), finally change Sasuke's hate (I'm skeptical) or will it fuel his hate more.

I'll insert pages from the manga later today to back up what I think.

 

[mikeeozua]

Orochimaru and hero in the same sentence, i'd never thought i'd see the sight xD

 

[Twin Steps]

very nice prediction, but do you think the Hokages will release themselves and get to the battle field through FTG?

 

[Frankenstein]

What a polite conversation you are describing! People have been screaming about the Hokages breaking free and going on a Tazmanian Devil style rampage since the moment the manga came out

 

[Senju Nuon]

I think the Hokages have enough faith in the will of fire, that they will leave the battle up to the new generation. They will share their wisdom and experience of Madara, maybe even give an assist, but I don't think they are going to full out be involved like Madara is right now.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

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[Machiko]

the redemption of Orochimaru. I don’t think he will be the final villain, in fact he will be one of the heroes of this war

I would love to see this xd

 

[Senju Nuon]

What a polite conversation you are describing! People have been screaming about the Hokages breaking free and going on a Tazmanian Devil style rampage since the moment the manga came out

I wouldn't say its going to be a polite conversation. This is in essence what I think will happen, but I'm sure Sasuke will go off argueing at some point, they will be hostility amoungst them (Orochimaru and each Hogake).

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Minato should be able to recognize sasuke instantly anyway , didnt he inform anruto he saw what happened Konoha , jiraya and kakashi from inside of him he has probably seen sasuke through naruto.


I reckon he will play a part in "turning" Sasuke away from outright blind anarchy, one genius to another lol

Especially as tobi convinced sasuke it was a natural disaster , (kyuubi incident) whereas Minato obviously has another story to tell.

I really did like the theory of Sasuke's dad and minato knowing each other, the konoha police chief and the Hokage would be close im assuming, if not friends at least respected aquaintances

Sasuke upon realising Obito played him like a banjo on a hillbilly will probably (after clarifying itachi , the clan, and naruto further) will strive to take down Obito and Madara

 

[Senju Nuon]

Minato should be able to recognize sasuke instantly anyway , didnt he inform anruto he saw what happened konoha , jiraya and kakashi from inside of him he has probably seen sasuke through naruto.

I reckon he will play a part in "turning" sasuke away from outright blind anarchy, one genius to another lol

Good point I forgot, Minato said he saw everything from inside Naruto. Thanks for that.

 

[Senju Nuon]

I really did like the theory of Sasuke's dad and minato knowing each other, the konoha police chief and the Hokage would be close im assuming, if not friends at least respected aquaintances

This is exactly what I was thinking, Minato as Hogake and Fugaku as Police chief, would have to have known each other and had many meetings together. Which is why I think Minato will be surprised to hear about Fugaku's involvment in a Coup. We are going to see madara's hand here in starting the Coup.

 

[sagenaruto29]

I think that Minato and the 1st will go to the battlefield but the 1st will only heal Tsundae and talk to Madara and Minato will only talk to Naruto and Kurama about Obito and give Kurama back his yin charka. The 1st will talk to Naruto and Kurama as well which Kurama will tell him what happened to the tailed beast. Then the 1st will give Naruto some Uchiha DNA which he gained from Madara and tell them they will be able to become the sage of six paths with all the tailed beast charka they have already melded together with Naruto's new yin and yang charka, Kurama's yin and yang charka, and the tailed beasts charka. Which he will gained the rinnegan and the sage of six paths will appear and tell his story and how Naruto should use his powers for peace.

 

[Whiteknight]

The first question Sasuke will ask about is Itachi and the coup.

I don't know if this will be the first question, but I'm sure it will be one of the most important questions asked and I'm sure the answers will be very surprising.

Remember, Tobirama created the Konoha police force, and Tobi speculated that he did it as a way to segregate the uchiha. If that's true, Tobirama will have much to say about things. He and Hiruzen will speak the most about this topic.

I’m going to predict that something about the Nine tails attack, hurt/angered Sasuke’s dad personally, and drive him to plan the coop.

Remember, one very important detail from that night which Kishi hasn't mentioned again is that both Fugaku and Mikoto were both missing before and during the attack. Itachi mentioned that it was weird for both of them to be away. I still think that Fugaku played a role in the events of that night. I don't think he was changed by them.

While learning about Minato and his Dad’s relationship, Sasuke will learn that Naruto is son of the fourth Hokage, and not the son of some fodder Nin.

Maybe. Are you sure he doesn't already know? I'm sure Orochimaru knew, and Orochimaru could have told him. Remember, Orochimaru was on the short list to become the fourth hokage himself, and he stayed in contact with Danzo and did extensive research on the village. The son of the fourth hokage, and the whereabouts of the nine-tails, would not have been secrets from Orochimaru.

From here we will continue going backwards through History, as the Second talks and then the 1st speaks. We will hear about Madara and the wars between Uchiha and Senju, the origins of their clans, Ninjutsu and the Sage of 6 paths.

I don't know how much any of them would know about the origins of Ninjutsu or about the Sage of 6 Paths. He existed a long time before any of the Hokage did. I think we may learn a little bit more about the origins of Konoha, the feud between Senju and Uchiha, the battle between Hashirama and Madara, and possibly even the nature of Hashirama's wood release jutsu (which is both a driving force of the manga and also one of the most unexplained phenomina in it).

My boldest Prediction though, is we are going to see the redemption of Orochimaru. I don’t think he will be the final villain, in fact he will be one of the heroes of this war, and we will see him use all his power.

I've had thoughts very similar to this. I don't think he will be a hero, but I'm not sure that he's ever been 100% a villain. Look at some facts:

1) Orochimaru stayed in contact with Danzo, and helped to make Danzo stronger (Danzo was on the short list for becoming Hokage, and was even appointed the temporary Hokage when Tsunade was down).
2) Some Medical and Ninjutsu research conducted by Orochimaru and Kabuto was given back to Danzo for use in Konoha (and possibly others as well).
3) Orochimaru infiltrated Akatuski, planted a spy (Kabuto) in that organization, was enemies with that organization while he was still alive. He tried to capture Sasori at one point, but it was secretly Yamato in disguise. Itachi had also been a member of Root and had also infiltrated Akatsuki as a spy, and I think we can all agree that Itachi was sort of a good guy in the end (Itachi and Orochimaru were clearly not working together, but they may not have known that the other was a spy, which is why they were hostile towards each other).
4) Orochimaru has done extensive research on Akatsuki, Tobi, Madara and the Rinnegan, and seems to know plans and weaknesses of them, information that Konoha would need for self defense.
5) Like it or not, the invasion of Konoha got rid of Hiruzen, who Danzo saw as being a weak Hokage. It also turned the sand village from an enemy into a humble ally, which made Konoha stronger as a result. Both of these results, from a certain point of view, are good things for Konoha.
6) Given the opportunity for mindless revenge now, Orochimaru does not seem to want to destroy Konoha, and in fact seemed pleased when Sasuke said he was having second thoughts about doing it.

I think we're going to see that Orochimaru is not completely a bad guy. Instead, I think we're going to see that Orochimaru is secretly a sort of ally of Konoha, following Danzo's wishes and trying to make the village stronger and more secure. We can agree that his methods are bad but, like Itachi before him, his goal is to do good things in bad ways. Danzo gains powerful research on medicine and ninjutsu, and Danzo gets to keep his hands clean from having to do the research himself.

I'm on the fence about whether or not Sasuke will be redeemed just yet. This will be a defining moment for him. Will hearing the truth (from the Hogake perspective), finally change Sasuke's hate (I'm skeptical) or will it fuel his hate more.

There are really only two options left. First, that Sasuke decides to stay a bad guy and attacks Naruto for a final climactic battle AFTER the allied army has already defeated Tobi and Madara. Second, Sasuke could be redeemed and become a good guy, and help the allies defeat Madara, which will make him a hero. I think Sasuke will become a hero, and will become the next hokage to both redeem the Uchiha clan and also to erase the "racism" that Konoha has had against the Uchiha which prevent them from becoming hokage sooner.

 

[Senju Nuon]

Firstly, thanks for taking the time to post your ideas against mine. I appreciate the time you took on each point. Now:

I don't know if this will be the first question, but I'm sure it will be one of the most important questions asked and I'm sure the answers will be very surprising.

Remember, Tobirama created the Konoha police force, and Tobi speculated that he did it as a way to segregate the uchiha. If that's true, Tobirama will have much to say about things. He and Hiruzen will speak the most about this topic

Remember, one very important detail from that night which Kishi hasn't mentioned again is that both Fugaku and Mikoto were both missing before and during the attack. Itachi mentioned that it was weird for both of them to be away. I still think that Fugaku played a role in the events of that night. I don't think he was changed by them.

I do think Sasuke will start with Itachi and the Coup, Its the most recent event, and the one he has a direct connection to.He has heard different versions of Itachi's story, as well as different versions of the Coup, so he's determined to clear the confusion about this. Sasuke will talk with each one of the Hokage's, thats for sure. Being that he knows Hiruzen, I'd say he would start there first, and as information is revealed, the onion will be pealed back little by little.

As for Fugaku and Mikoto, you are right they were missing that night and it is very suspicious, which is why i believe they were elsewhere, more than likely with Madara himself, because they were not with Tobi/obito. And i think think what ever happened in that meeting, is what caused Fugaku to change.

Maybe. Are you sure he doesn't already know? I'm sure Orochimaru knew, and Orochimaru could have told him. Remember, Orochimaru was on the short list to become the fourth hokage himself, and he stayed in contact with Danzo and did extensive research on the village. The son of the fourth hokage, and the whereabouts of the nine-tails, would not have been secrets from Orochimaru.

I completly aggree that Oro knows about Naruto and his lineage, I never thought otherwise. But I don't think he wanted to share that information with Sasuke. What would be the point? To be honest he used Naruto as a tool to lure Sasuke to him. He baited Sasuke by comparing His power to Naruto. Even in the recent chapters, Oro says it still bothers Sasuke, the power Naruto has.

Also, in the beginning of part 2, when Naruto & Sasuke meet for the 1st time in years, Sasuke mentions to Naruto about his dream of becoming Hokage, if Sasuke knew then, why wouldn't he have mentioned at that moment.

I don't know how much any of them would know about the origins of Ninjutsu or about the Sage of 6 Paths. He existed a long time before any of the Hokage did. I think we may learn a little bit more about the origins of Konoha, the feud between Senju and Uchiha, the battle between Hashirama and Madara, and possibly even the nature of Hashirama's wood release jutsu (which is both a driving force of the manga and also one of the most unexplained phenomina in it).

This is a good point, and you may be right. But much like the stone tablet of the Uchiha, where only the strongest Uchiha eyes could view its full content, I think its safe to bet that there are scrolls that only the Hokage's would be able to see/read regarding their history.

I've had thoughts very similar to this. I don't think he will be a hero, but I'm not sure that he's ever been 100% a villain. Look at some facts:

1) Orochimaru stayed in contact with Danzo, and helped to make Danzo stronger (Danzo was on the short list for becoming Hokage, and was even appointed the temporary Hokage when Tsunade was down).
2) Some Medical and Ninjutsu research conducted by Orochimaru and Kabuto was given back to Danzo for use in Konoha (and possibly others as well).
3) Orochimaru infiltrated Akatuski, planted a spy (Kabuto) in that organization, was enemies with that organization while he was still alive. He tried to capture Sasori at one point, but it was secretly Yamato in disguise. Itachi had also been a member of Root and had also infiltrated Akatsuki as a spy, and I think we can all agree that Itachi was sort of a good guy in the end (Itachi and Orochimaru were clearly not working together, but they may not have known that the other was a spy, which is why they were hostile towards each other).
4) Orochimaru has done extensive research on Akatsuki, Tobi, Madara and the Rinnegan, and seems to know plans and weaknesses of them, information that Konoha would need for self defense.
5) Like it or not, the invasion of Konoha got rid of Hiruzen, who Danzo saw as being a weak Hokage. It also turned the sand village from an enemy into a humble ally, which made Konoha stronger as a result. Both of these results, from a certain point of view, are good things for Konoha.
6) Given the opportunity for mindless revenge now, Orochimaru does not seem to want to destroy Konoha, and in fact seemed pleased when Sasuke said he was having second thoughts about doing it.

I think we're going to see that Orochimaru is not completely a bad guy. Instead, I think we're going to see that Orochimaru is secretly a sort of ally of Konoha, following Danzo's wishes and trying to make the village stronger and more secure. We can agree that his methods are bad but, like Itachi before him, his goal is to do good things in bad ways. Danzo gains powerful research on medicine and ninjutsu, and Danzo gets to keep his hands clean from having to do the research himself.

I think you may be right about this, kind of like how Danzo was not really a bad guy, he just went about it very diferently. Perhaps we find out Oro always was trying to protect Konoha, much like Itachi was. That would be a trip. But as of right now, I am leaning towards Oro being a hero. It would bring closure to Jiraiya's story of wanting to take the hate out of Oro, as well as give hope/pave way for Sasuke's redemption.

There are really only two options left. First, that Sasuke decides to stay a bad guy and attacks Naruto for a final climactic battle AFTER the allied army has already defeated Tobi and Madara. Second, Sasuke could be redeemed and become a good guy, and help the allies defeat Madara, which will make him a hero. I think Sasuke will become a hero, and will become the next hokage to both redeem the Uchiha clan and also to erase the "racism" that Konoha has had against the Uchiha which prevent them from becoming hokage sooner.

I completly agree, these are Sasuke's only 2 options. Although I don't agree with Sasuke becoming Hokage, it is possible, but I don't think it is probable.