[Spoilers] Ch.524: Zaraki's Shikai & Unohana's Sin (Chapter Explanation)

[EmperorIssun]

UNOHANA'S WORDS AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER

So I'm gonna try to decipher Unohana's very ambiguous words at the end of this week's chapter, 524
I'm gonna take quote her from ***********'s translation just cause it makes a bit more sense to me. I'll try to break down this quote in plain english

So Unohana says, "Kenpachi, you will not die... you return stronger every time you cross the border of death.... that is the oversight you have imposed on yourself... as well as my sin."

So I bold the words "oversight" and "impose" because they are key words that I'm gonna be working off of. The definition of "oversight" is to unintentionally fail to notice or do something, to oversee something and the definition of "impose" is to forcible accepted or put in place.

So basically what Unohana is saying in the quote is: Kenpachi gets stronger after he nearly dies. That is what he forces himself to not notice. Kenpachi also forces himself to accept Unohana's sin.

ZARAKI'S SHIKAI

• So apparently Zaraki gets stronger after every time he nearly dies but he forces himself not to notice that.
• In the chapter we see Zaraki get stabbed through the neck by Unohana. Blood splatters on Unohana's face as he gets stabbed. However in the next page we see him coming back to his senses as he is clashing with Unohana. But notice Zaraki's blood is still on Unohana's face. (Intially I thought it was a daydream Zaraki was having, but his blood is still on Unohana's face after he comes to.) Zaraki is confused because he could have sworn he got stabbed but he brushes it off and says he doesn't have time to think about it, he has to focus on the fight.
• Notice how he regain's his confidence or he "becomes stronger"
• Zaraki nearly dies but he somehow heals/revives himself and becomes stronger. However he doesn't notice it and relies on instinct to continue to fight. I think that is what Unohana was referring at the end of the chapter.
• I think this is Zaraki's Shikai or Zanpakutou ability.
• As we know Zaraki's Shikai is full time release. It's a chipped worn out blade with a funky handle.
• He has no idea what his Zanpakutou's name is or what its powers are. Similar to how he doesn't know he heals/revives himself and becomes stronger.
• I think Zaraki's Shikai Ability is to reverse or heal a fatal wound and give Zaraki more strength to fight. This would also explain why his blade is so worn out. Instead of damaging Zaraki, it takes the damage instead.
• It can be assumed that Zanpakutous want to protect their Shinigami so that is why the ability is being used without Zaraki's knowledge. Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities.

UNOHANA'S SIN

• I think Unohana's sin was the blood thirsty nature and desire to fight. Zaraki said that he was bored of fighting until he fought Unohana. After their fight he wanted to be like Unohana.
• It was Unohana's nature that changed Zaraki
• However have seen throughout Bleach that Unohana is a gentle collected person. She is a healer. She is obedient. She changed her ways.
• If you recall when the Royal Guard arrived at the Sereitei, she is very displeased when Kirinji approached her and said "You are not meant to heal now" (Ch.517, P.17)
• Basically it's her original nature that influenced Zaraki and she sees that as her sin

Let me know what you think!

 

[Braveknight]

i realy wanted somebody to explain what happened cause i didnt understand it at first


thank you.

 

[LordSasukeOfSixPaths]

i realy wanted somebody to explain what happened cause i didnt understand it at first


thank you.

he's talking about bleach

 

[Braveknight]

he's talking about bleach

you dont say

 

[sleeplesscarp]

makes more sense now!!! thank you

 

[yondaime4]

i like your insight, i was just thinking she would have to kill him for him to release his bankai lol unahona is awesome tho

 

[Trippy Sage of all Dank]

you dont say

lmfao xd

Nice thread, OP. Very observational and well-thought-out. I like this thread alot

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[lubricati0n]

UNOHANA'S WORDS AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER

So I'm gonna try to decipher Unohana's very ambiguous words at the end of this week's chapter, 524
I'm gonna take quote her from ***********'s translation just cause it makes a bit more sense to me. I'll try to break down this quote in plain english

So Unohana says, "Kenpachi, you will not die... you return stronger every time you cross the border of death.... that is the oversight you have imposed on yourself... as well as my sin."

So I bold the words "oversight" and "impose" because they are key words that I'm gonna be working off of. The definition of "oversight" is to unintentionally fail to notice or do something, to oversee something and the definition of "impose" is to forcible accepted or put in place.

So basically what Unohana is saying in the quote is: Kenpachi gets stronger after he nearly dies. That is what he forces himself to not notice. Kenpachi also forces himself to accept Unohana's sin.

ZARAKI'S SHIKAI

• So apparently Zaraki gets stronger after every time he nearly dies but he forces himself not to notice that.
• In the chapter we see Zaraki get stabbed through the neck by Unohana. Blood splatters on Unohana's face as he gets stabbed. However in the next page we see him coming back to his senses as he is clashing with Unohana. But notice Zaraki's blood is still on Unohana's face. (Intially I thought it was a daydream Zaraki was having, but his blood is still on Unohana's face after he comes to.) Zaraki is confused because he could have sworn he got stabbed but he brushes it off and says he doesn't have time to think about it, he has to focus on the fight.
• Notice how he regain's his confidence or he "becomes stronger"
• Zaraki nearly dies but he somehow heals/revives himself and becomes stronger. However he doesn't notice it and relies on instinct to continue to fight. I think that is what Unohana was referring at the end of the chapter.
• I think this is Zaraki's Shikai or Zanpakutou ability.
• As we know Zaraki's Shikai is full time release. It's a chipped worn out blade with a funky handle.
• He has no idea what his Zanpakutou's name is or what its powers are. Similar to how he doesn't know he heals/revives himself and becomes stronger.
• I think Zaraki's Shikai Ability is to reverse or heal a fatal wound and give Zaraki more strength to fight. This would also explain why his blade is so worn out. Instead of damaging Zaraki, it takes the damage instead.
• It can be assumed that Zanpakutous want to protect their Shinigami so that is why the ability is being used without Zaraki's knowledge. Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities.

UNOHANA'S SIN

• I think Unohana's sin was the blood thirsty nature and desire to fight. Zaraki said that he was bored of fighting until he fought Unohana. After their fight he wanted to be like Unohana.
• It was Unohana's nature that changed Zaraki
• However have seen throughout Bleach that Unohana is a gentle collected person. She is a healer. She is obedient. She changed her ways.
• If you recall when the Royal Guard arrived at the Sereitei, she is very displeased when Kirinji approached her and said "You are not meant to heal now" (Ch.517, P.17)
• Basically it's her original nature that influenced Zaraki and she sees that as her sin

Let me know what you think!

The way you interpreted the quote does not really make any sense. Zaraki cannot simply "force" himself to not notice something because if he does that, technically he already has noticed something. It's quite clear that, Zaraki does not know what really happened. Furthermore, he does not care for his zanpakuto. If he really did force himself to ignore his zanpakuto's ability then he technically knows his own power already, right?

So why would he need to do that? You may say that Zaraki takes pride in relying on his own skill and power, but he has long since the beginning of Bleach, said that he does not know anything about his sword. Remember that scene after Zaraki and Ichigo's fight? He tries to ask his zanpakuto something, but there is no reply. If he does know his own power, then he should have communicated with his sword already, but instead he knows nothing and clearly he does not know how he did not die from Unohana putting her sword through his neck.

He can't ignore his own power, because he has already been saved by it multiple times. Good theory though.

 

[NLee]

To start, plus rep for thinking things through. I like that. There's a lot of Naruto Section stupidity bleeding into this section. We need more active thinkers in here.

I'm skeptical about your proposed ability for Zaraki's zanpaktou. From the last page of this week's chapter it seems like Unohana knows what's going on with Zaraki. If his becoming stronger every time he approaches death is his zanpaktou ability, then how would Unohana know it? How would she know Zaraki's zanpaktou's ability if Zaraki himself doesn't even know? It doesn't make sense.

For Unohana's sin, it's clear that she was Zaraki's inspiration, but why would she see that as a sin? I don't see that in itself being a problem large enough to be considered a sin.

 

[2big]

yess i do

 

[EmperorIssun]

The way you interpreted the quote does not really make any sense. Zaraki cannot simply "force" himself to not notice something because if he does that, technically he already has noticed something. It's quite clear that, Zaraki does not know what really happened. Furthermore, he does not care for his zanpakuto. If he really did force himself to ignore his zanpakuto's ability then he technically knows his own power already, right?

So why would he need to do that? You may say that Zaraki takes pride in relying on his own skill and power, but he has long since the beginning of Bleach, said that he does not know anything about his sword. Remember that scene after Zaraki and Ichigo's fight? He tries to ask his zanpakuto something, but there is no reply. If he does know his own power, then he should have communicated with his sword already, but instead he knows nothing and clearly he does not know how he did not die from Unohana putting her sword through his neck.

He can't ignore his own power, because he has already been saved by it multiple times. Good theory though.

K so first of all please read everything before you comment. Second of all, I was doing a literal translation, replacing the words "oversight" and "impose". Of course it doesn't make sense because you can't force yourself to not notice something cause if you force yourself, that would imply that you notice it. However if you continue reading the last sentence I say in that section is "Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities." to conclude my interpretation. It's his pride in his instinct and raw strength that causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's powers. Make sense?

 

[EmperorIssun]

To start, plus rep for thinking things through. I like that. There's a lot of Naruto Section stupidity bleeding into this section. We need more active thinkers in here.

I'm skeptical about your proposed ability for Zaraki's zanpaktou. From the last page of this week's chapter it seems like Unohana knows what's going on with Zaraki. If his becoming stronger every time he approaches death is his zanpaktou ability, then how would Unohana know it? How would she know Zaraki's zanpaktou's ability if Zaraki himself doesn't even know? It doesn't make sense.

For Unohana's sin, it's clear that she was Zaraki's inspiration, but why would she see that as a sin? I don't see that in itself being a problem large enough to be considered a sin.

Unohana's influence from her Kenpachi days are is what prevents Zaraki's growth. It's common knowledge that if you try to mimic someone, you can prevent your full potential, because your threshold stops at the level of whom you idolize. Zaraki continues to rely on sheer instinctive fighting tactics and raw strength to win his battles, causing him to over look his Zanpakutou's powers. I would assume she knows his Zanpakutou's powers because she fought him in the past and probably nearly killed him and witnessed the Zanpakutou's ability activate. It's obviously a sin cause she was blood thirsty killer and a criminal. That's obviously bad is it not? All Gotei 13 including Old man Yama changed their ways.

 

[NLee]

Unohana's influence from her Kenpachi days are what is stunting Zaraki's growth. Zaraki continues to rely on sheer instinctive fighting tactics and raw strength to win his battles, causing him to over look his Zanpakutou's powers. I would assume she knows his Zanpakutou's powers because she fought him in the past and probably nearly killed him and witnessed the Zanpakutou's ability activate. It's obviously a sin cause she's was blood thirsty killer. That's obviously bad is it not? All Gotei 13 including Old man Yama changed their ways.

Unohana being the object of Zaraki's inspiration is not, in itself, a malicious act - something one would consider a sin. She wouldn't blame herself for Zaraki admiring her. For example, if someone looked up to you and admired you for whatever reason, would you see that as being your fault? No, it wouldn't be your fault because it's their decision to respect you.

I don't see why Unohana's influence would have stunted Zaraki's growth. Just because he admires Unohana wouldn't have made him blind to his zanpaktou. Not if you include his battle with Ichigo. Since his "defeat" by Ichigo in the SS arc he's no longer the stubborn arrogant fighter he was before then. He said himself he wants to get stronger and is willing to communicate with his zanpaktou.

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Zaraki's not limited to just his sheer power and brute force. Unohana didn't limited or stunt his growth at all. He's grown beyond his old stubborn attitude

 

[EmperorIssun]

Unohana being the object of Zaraki's inspiration is not, in itself, a malicious act - something one would consider a sin. She wouldn't blame herself for Zaraki admiring her. For example, if someone looked up to you and admired you for whatever reason, would you see that as being your fault? No, it wouldn't be your fault because it's their decision to respect you.

I don't see why Unohana's influence would have stunted Zaraki's growth. Just because he admires Unohana wouldn't have made him blind to his zanpaktou. Not if you include his battle with Ichigo. Since his "defeat" by Ichigo in the SS arc he's no longer the stubborn arrogant fighter he was before then. He said himself he wants to get stronger and is willing to communicate with his zanpaktou.

Yes but be careful with the wording. Unohana says Zaraki imposes her sin on himself. Her sin was her blood thirsty instinct back in the day. She can blame herself because she was a "bad influence". She seems to resent her former self (as seen with her convos with Kirinji and Kyoraku) and Zaraki literally says "I wanted to fight just like you."

I know what he said in the past but let's look at what is happening now. He could have sworn he got stabbed but he ignores it and says "I have to rely on my instinct, there is no time to think" He learned this attitude from Unohana and this attitude is what is preventing him from noticing his Zanpakutou and progressing. Therefore Zaraki's admiration of Unohana is preventing his growth

 

[lubricati0n]

K so first of all please read everything before you comment. Second of all, I was doing a literal translation, replacing the words "oversight" and "impose". Of course it doesn't make sense because you can't force yourself to not notice something cause if you force yourself, that would imply that you notice it. However if you continue reading the last sentence I say in that section is "Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities." to conclude my interpretation. It's his pride in his instinct and raw strength that causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's powers. Make sense?

You can't just assume I didn't read your entire theory. You tried to connect the literal translation to the rest of your theory which cannot be done. As for your last point, you also said Zanpakuto's want to protect their wielder which is true. But Zaraki and his zanpakuto do not know each other, they have not communicated, there is no trust. Zaraki does not know his zanpakuto's power. Therefore, how does his zanpakuto protect him? They do not accept each other.

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[EmperorIssun]

You can't just assume I didn't read your entire theory. You tried to connect the literal translation to the rest of your theory which cannot be done. As for your last point, you also said Zanpakuto's want to protect their wielder which is true. But Zaraki and his zanpakuto do not know each other, they have not communicated, there is no trust. Zaraki does not know his zanpakuto's power. Therefore, how does his zanpakuto protect him? They do not accept each other.

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I can assume that you didn't cause you're making such a comment. Perhaps I should have said, "please read well". And yeah I did connect my theory to the quote, in fact I derived the theory from the quote itself. "Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities." I don't get what you still don't understand. Crystals aren't as clear as that statement. Anyways good job quoting something 400 chapters ago. Zaraki tried communicating with his Zapakutou and he knows it's a he as stated during his fight with Nnoitra, but tbh your entire argument is irrelevant. Let me explain.

Oh I can tell you didn't read well because I said it can be "assumed" that a Zanpakutou wants to protect its wield and also you failed to notice (how ironic) how I stated Zaraki's Zanpakutou is full time release. Just because he doesn't know his Zanpakutou's names or abilities, doesn't mean his Zanpakutou can not act on its own and since it's a full time release Zanpakutou it makes it even more possible that it can activate on its own. In fact, Kyoraku's Shikai acts on it's own once its released, he does not control its attacks. There are really no boundaries to a Zanpakutou's abilities and each one has its own nature and conditions.

In conclusion,if you're going to read, read well. If you're going to argue, make it relevant. If you're going to present proof, please use something that isn't outdated.

 

[juzumaki]

I think because ach time zaraki dies he comes back strônger so I think unohana killed and revived him a bunch of times so that he evokes stronger for her pleasure

 

[lubricati0n]

I can assume that you didn't cause you're making such a comment. Perhaps I should have said, "please read well". And yeah I did connect my theory to the quote, in fact I derived the theory from the quote itself. "Zaraki's reliance on instinct causes him to oversee his Zanpakutou's abilities." I don't get what you still don't understand. Crystals aren't as clear as that statement. Anyways good job quoting something 400 chapters ago. Zaraki tried communicating with his Zapakutou and he knows it's a he as stated during his fight with Nnoitra, but tbh your entire argument is irrelevant. Let me explain.

Oh I can tell you didn't read well because I said it can be "assumed" that a Zanpakutou wants to protect its wield and also you failed to notice (how ironic) how I stated Zaraki's Zanpakutou is full time release. Just because he doesn't know his Zanpakutou's names or abilities, doesn't mean his Zanpakutou can not act on its own and since it's a full time release Zanpakutou it makes it even more possible that it can activate on its own. In fact, Kyoraku's Shikai acts on it's own once its released, he does not control its attacks. There are really no boundaries to a Zanpakutou's abilities and each one has its own nature and conditions.

In conclusion,if you're going to read, read well. If you're going to argue, make it relevant. If you're going to present proof, please use something that isn't outdated.

Your theory doesn't mean anything. You say I don't get it, but clearly you're confusing yourself. Zaraki's instinct does not cause him to oversee his zanpakuto's abilities. He never knew what they were in the first place. I may have quoted something 400 chapters ago, but everything written in a chapter is proof. It's not made up ****, and as long as it's not disproved, it still stands. Also just so you know, the writer is human. Don't you know people generalize things with "he" all the time? Something as small as that could have also been a mistake. Not saying you're wrong, but just because the writer had Zaraki call his zanpakuto a "he" doesn't mean squat and does not really help with your theory/argument because there is more proof of Zaraki not knowing anything.

A zanpakuto cannot act on its own. If that was true, shinigami would have been protected from fatal attacks so many times. Think of all the times Senbonzakura could have protected Byakuya. You also can't use Kyoraku's shikai as an example, because each of his shikai's abilities besides Bushōgoma, are games. Obviously he can't control them. I'm sure zanpakuto want to protect their wielder, but not in the way that they can act by themselves. Rather, they want to communicate with their respective owners and "lend" them power and grow stronger. Also, Ichigo's zanpakuto is always in shikai. And so? You don't see it protecting Ichigo by itself which it could have in so many situations.

You tell me to present proof that isn't outdated, but the evidence still stands. Whereas you have nothing going for you at all.:|

 

[Two]

UNOHANA'S WORDS AT THE END OF THE CHAPTER

ZARAKI'S SHIKAI

• So apparently Zaraki gets stronger after every time he nearly dies but he forces himself not to notice that.
• Zaraki nearly dies but he somehow heals/revives himself and becomes stronger. However he doesn't notice it and relies on instinct to continue to fight. I think that is what Unohana was referring at the end of the chapter.
• I think this is Zaraki's Shikai or Zanpakutou ability
  

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  I't a really good theory, but i was thinking that, this was one of unohana's ability, although he doesn't seem to be able to die xd i doubt his ability would work that well without him even knowing..as unohana said, he gets stronger every time he's on the boarder of death. So she may be using her ability too continue to do that so that his power increases. And another reason why i believe it's her ability is because, i don't see why Shunsui would have made Unohana fight kenpachi if it was because she could just beat him down and awaken his ability. shunsui knows their relationship and knows that her fighting him would cause her pain. if the training was just to beat zaraki down, i'm sure he would have done it himself or got Ukitake to do it, instead of making unohana go through pain and risk going bezerk!

 

[Naruchigoo]

Don't think her influencing Zarakaki, is her sin..
Kudos btw..