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Marin: *presents points almost all scholars agree on* Salamander: "Deflection! Straw man! These scholars are Christians, right!? Here's a blogger I know and he doesn't agree with you!" Marin: How is that a deflection? Salamander: Because you created a deflection! Marin: How? Salamander: Why...

Can we all just agree to disagree? This is going nowhere.

My eyes hurt.

That innocence won't last long in here.

Nice try, Jiraiya.

@Marin, we're basically talking to a brick wall right now. There have been five ISIS-directed attacks in Europe since 2014, killing 188 people in total and injuring many more. It doesn't matter what they actually are, they claim to be Muslims. If these same terrorists ever claimed to be Jews...

Good for you, buddy. I will do you one last favor and address the story of Lut. Here we go: I didn't avoid commenting on it, I just don't give two f*cks about a fictional story from the Iron age, and neither should you. If that really is your argument against homosexuality, then there's no hope...

One of us! One of us! One of us!

Let's just act like the debate never happened, maybe the admins won't notice. lol The French have always been a bit french fried to be honest.

We may as well take the fall like champs. lol This whole thread is giving me a headache at this point. I already said what I wanted to say, so I'm out. ArabianLuffy can ramble on if he wants.

Basically this. We talked about the new law, which turned into a topic of trans people, which turned into a topic of sin, which turned into a topic of religion, which vaguely turned into a topic of Islam, which then turned into this mess. You get it.

I act like a smartass on animebase.

Thanks for clearing that up. However, cutting off limbs is still barbaric and such practices don't belong in the modern age.

That is so black and white, but I honestly expect nothing less from a man who gets his morals from a 1400+ years old book. What if that thief is a father who's desperately trying to feed his starving children? Yes, you do sound like an asshole. Homosexuality has been around longer than all...

"To you they are theist, but to true theists like Jews, Christians and Muslims it's extremist misrepresenting God's words." There is no such thing as a "true" theist, which you defined as Jews, Christians and Muslims. If you believe in any god, you are a theist, no matter your religion or...

You can't decide definitions on your own whims. Theists ARE people who believe in a god or gods. Even if they believed in, for example, Set, the Egyptian god of chaos and evil, they would still be theists. What does the Quran say about stealing?Because right now you're stealing my precious...

It doesn't make them Muslims, but it doesn't make them atheists either. They're theists who believe in a misinterpreted version of the Quran. I can say that, because it's true. What's your point?

Am I not making myself clear? If you are a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, you are a theist. No matter your interpretations of the holy texts (the Bible, the Quran, etc), you are still a theist, because you believe in a god or gods. Even if you are a part of the LGBTQ...

Theists believe in one god. Atheists believe in none. If you are, let's say, a fanatic Christian who has misinterpreted the religious texts, you are still a theist, because you believe in a god. That can make you a non-Christian, but never an atheist.

That really is a bold statement, and a completely false one at that. However, before I start this debate, do you care to elaborate?