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how so?

again, why use any moves when u can conserve chakra while your enemy hopelessly wastes theirs in vein trying to hit you

you can argue that obito has taken no single opponent seriously, if no one can touch him, why fight seriously? what sense does it make to waste chakra attacking when your opponent will waste theirs not htting you?

who's to say obito is completely on defense. obito can also use kamui to phase into madara's susanoo and pull him out of it or into his pocket dimension, thus canceling out the susanoo spam. or he can phase into susanoo and use shinra tensei. either scenerio has madara completely vunerable

yes, im sure that obito will not be able to phase into the susanoo that he knows will pose a threat to him. and im sure madara will just wasted all that chakra.

we both said this twice to this guy yet he wont understand. maybe some third gut needs to say it too since three is a magical number and shit.

and btw when obito uses wood style again i will be making a thread about it just to prove to you that your wrong.

how will he be able to use his speed and raw power in unison? there has only been one person who countered obito's s/t tech and thats minato, how will madara be able to consitantly counter this tech until obito realizes there is no point in doing it any more.

why?

i already righted this wrong lol

the problem madara faces is that madara cannot hit obito with these powerful, chakra draining techs. he cannot counter kamui

exactly, if you noticed he's avoided using non edo madara in a thread where i clearly stated that im not using madara with his edo abilities. hes in a corner, face it dude theres no counter.

he hasn't taken anyone in this whole series seriously, the most offense we've seen from him was when he almost killed kakashi, which was almost done with NO effort, and he still most likely wasn't serious.

i said NO edo. in the first page my mans. and obito's s/t tech is enough to counter being burned by ama, so it's reaction time is very quick. And you know, i dont want to sound ignorant so lets agree to disagree on the wood style point until we see him use it in the manga as an adult, although i...

this is a bit ignorant lol

you are absolutely right. at least from what we know. obito has barely even attempted to attack. we havent seen him get serious yet remember that.

and did i not make it clear that im not talking edo madara. if i didn't i apologize, i meant madara without the edo effects. but the only reason edo madara beats obito is due to limitless chakra

you do raise a nice point here, so you can exclude them. but whether or not they both use it or not, it isnt a counter for obito's s/t so i wouldn't truly change much honestly

exactly everyone says that madara does this better. as if obito is on a rookie level. obito can simply take what he knows and deplot it with his own special s/t tech and be stronger than madara easily. + rep for not being so ignorant lol

unmatched speed was to describe the 4th hogake, the ability to engulf someone in paper bombs for 5 minutes was the reference to knonans abilities, and like i said madara has neither of these abilities unless you can prove me wrong. and why woulodnt obito have any wood techs at his disposal if...