The whole fight was BS, Firstly the powerpole is a magic item, superman can't defend against magic, he should he been dealt damage + Goku launched a kamehameha directly down at the earth in ssj form, and nothing happened, but look at what happened when it was almost the exact same in the anime when he was going to fire it directly at cell downwards. (listen to the reactions of the bystanders).
[video=youtube;99cF4v0lWQI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99cF4v0lWQI[/video]
^ Amazing how Vegeta was breathing in space on the moon in that fight, Or how Shadow didn't warp vegeta in the sun instead, or how They only used Shadow's super form and not his hyper or ultra form, or how Shadow actaully has infinite strength, speed, and stamina at the end of the comic book series along with Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Silver(they defeated a God who existed on multiple plains). My favorite one though is, Shadow could have just froze Vegeta in time pertinently instead of teleporting him to the moon.
I'm just going to post what I wrote in the other thread here.
This is the link for the Goku vs Superman video that was suppose to end all debates.
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So many DBZ fans are upset because Goku loss. Some of them agree though. Most people who have seen anything to do with superman it was from animated series like the justice league, crappy ass movies, or video games. None and I mean NONE show what Superman is really capable of. The comic books do however, and they show him seriously op. Something to add to this, the video was the current Superman. If anyone knows just a little bit about Superman comics, they would all agree this is the weakest version of Superman. The video didn't even use his op pre crisis Super Man, Superman Prime, or even the god version Superman One Million. The calculations they did in that video put Superman way above Goku is every stat. Yes, the weakest version of Superman is way above Goku.
Reasons why Goku fans think the video is bias:
The calculations they did for Goku were not done when he was at his strongest.
What they did was measure Gokus power when he died after beating Cell. They used the 40 tons scan of goku training with 40 ton weights in his base form. They then used the official power multipliers when Goku transforms to get his maximum strength of Goku. People argue that Goku gets much stronger after that point in time. Really? How much stronger do you think he got? There wasn't much Goku did in the Majin Buu saga. It was mostly Gotenks and Gohan, and then Vegito. Sure he trained in Outer World to where he was able to lift those weights but do you really think he got hundreds of times stronger. In GT he was training Uub however. Now i have to ask, do you really think Goku got really strong fighting against Uub. Goku never even went Super Saiyan against him. He never even gave Goku much of a work out. Then he got transformed as a kid and the power scaling was so damn horrible after that. We don't even see anything on the level of the Majin Buu saga until Goku got SSJ4. His huge ass power boost which they included in the fight even though it is non cannon. Basically what I'm getting at is Goku didn't get much stronger after the scan they used. If he did, it wasn't much of a difference. They said the 40 ton weights is like training in 528 times gravity or something like that. In GT, I would put Goku maybe could be comfortable in 600 times gravity at the very most. Saying he was double that or triple that power is just plain ludacris.
I could go on proving each calculation they did but it's 1AM here so not now.
They made Superman destroy his senzu beans at the start of the fight.
Superman disabled Goku in his base with his pressure point technique and he had to use a senzu bean to recover. If they didn't do that at the beginning and he took one at the end of the fight, Goku would have won. Question. Have you ever seen Goku eat a senzu bean mid fight so he can beat his opponent? Hell no. Goku would never do that just because it would be a unfair fight. Goku would of accepted him defeat.
Goku was using his power pole in his SSJ3 form.
Goku has never done that therefore the fight was biased. While I will say yes he has never done that, would it have really helped? I'm pretty sure that scene was just to get rid of the power pole on Gokus back because it was just worthless at that point int he fight. Him using it and Superman throwing it away, would that have really change the fight in Gokus favor? No, it was worthless so it really doesn't matter. Or is it?
Superman shouldn't have been able to grab the power pole because it was magic.
Goku is weak to magic and grabbing it should have made him instantly lose. Because it magically extends it is classified as a magic weapon that hurts people with magic when hitting them. No. There is nothing to say that it affects the person it hit with magic. The weapon itself is magic and the magic affects the weapon to extend. That's it. If that extending magic had affected Superman, all we would see would be magic making Superman extend. He would be better off taking viagra if he wanted that affect.
Superman should have lost when he was affected by the kryptonite.
Goku should have shoved that kryptonite down Superman's throat killing him. Yes, the conienietly placed kryptonite that was in the Lex Luthor building that Goku hit him near. If it would have been ANY other building there would have been no kryptonite. Not to mention its funny how the floor they landed on was the floor with the kryptonite and how it wasn't blown up by the kamehameha wave previously. The scene was to show Goku fights people without handicaps, like how he did with Frieza.
They used a god like version of Superman and used non cannon parts for Goku.
I don't even want to write the comment that made for this because it is too stupid for words. Using the non cannon SSJ4 Goku would make Goku weaker apparently.....Really? Oh and about the "Godlike" version of Superman they are talking about really isn't that impressive. Like I said before, this was the WEAKEST version of Superman. That is just how strong this guy is. He is top 20 material for strongest comic book hero. Top 10 for using his pre crisis version, even higher if you use stronger versions. His strongest is arguably top 3 with Spectre and LT. These guys have the power to just make someone not exist. It wouldn't even be a fight. THAT is a god version. Not the crappy ass version they used in the video.
They should of used Goku with the dragon balls fused in him.
Goku would be a god then and easily beat him. yes, they featless Goku we have no clue what he could even do. yeah let's use him and make a crappy ass video of us assuming Goku could do all this stuff. If you havem't seen someone use a skill, they can't do it. Assume all you like though, you have no proof to back it up and will look like a joke. They even say in the video why they won't use EOS Goku too, and what they would do if they had. The god version of Superman can create the universe and everyone in it with a thought. What can featless EOS Goku do?
Goku hit Superman at the final clash.
Superman was using his infinite mass punch. He can phase through people which is why Goku did not hit him with the dragon fist. The hand is the only part that hurts, which is why it was glowing.
Superman would never blow up the planet.
Superman was facing toward the planet and caused it to blow up. He should have just let Goku win to save the world. First, the video was suppose to be posted on 12/21/12 which was supposed to be the end of the world, hence why the world blew up. Second, it wasn't Superman that blew up the planet. It was them both colliding which that much power that made it explode. Third, It's not Superman's fault Goku couldn't breath in space and move further away.
Goku should of used instant transmission to teleport Superman away from the sun.
If Superman wasn't under his sun he would have lost easily. Yes, because Goku can instant transmission anywhere at any time. This is just stupid because it shows the DBZ fans don't even know all the facts about their own verse. Goku can only use the technique if there is life. If Goku were to use it, it would have been somewhere with people on it. Most other races in other fictions have to have a sun to live. Even if there was such a race that didn't need a sun, Goku just magically knows where they are right? No.
King Kai should have told Goku Superman's weakness.
Since they made it so Goku was in their verse and lived there, King Kai should have known everything about Superman and told Goku his weakness to win. Yes, this is an argument I have seen as well. First, it is cheating. Death battles are made so there is no outside help. Second, the beginning scene was just made for entertainment purposes to give them a reason to fight. They would never fight in the first place otherwise.
I'm sure there is more cause someone could come up with a thousand excuses but in the end people need to realize Goku is not really that strong compared to some comic book characters and even other manga. The only reason people think he is the strongest is because that is all they watched. Go watch shows like Tenchi Muyo, Saint Seiya, Bastard!, Fist of the North Star, Gurren Lagann, etc. Hell if you consider the pokedex and a legit way to measure Pokemon, some of them could even beat Goku. Basically it all is ignorance. Until The ignorant DBZ fanboys become educated, this debate will never end. Hopefully I educated a few and will learn not to blindly defend a character with no proof without knowing how strong the other is.
^ Amazing how Vegeta was breathing in space on the moon in that fight, Or how Shadow didn't warp vegeta in the sun instead, or how They only used Shadow's super form and not his hyper or ultra form, or how Shadow actaully has infinite strength, speed, and stamina at the end of the comic book series along with Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Silver(they defeated a God who existed on multiple plains). My favorite one though is, Shadow could have just froze Vegeta in time pertinently instead of teleporting him to the moon.
I'm just going to post what I wrote in the other thread here.
^ Amazing how Vegeta was breathing in space on the moon in that fight, Or how Shadow didn't warp vegeta in the sun instead, or how They only used Shadow's super form and not his hyper or ultra form, or how Shadow actaully has infinite strength, speed, and stamina at the end of the comic book series along with Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Silver(they defeated a God who existed on multiple plains). My favorite one though is, Shadow could have just froze Vegeta in time pertinently instead of teleporting him to the moon.
I'm just going to post what I wrote in the other thread here.
About what you said in that post, die hard comic book fanboy, there is a couple things I disagree with... When you said if you look above, how Goku training with 40 tons is like training in 528 times normal gravity or something. Then you saying you'd put Goku at a comfortable 600 times at the most??
That is ALL complete BULLSH!T. First of all, he trained in 100 times gravity, ON his way to namek, now I've checked the wiki, or not the wiki, but the official page of dbz powerlevels.... They say super saiyan is like 50 times your strength.. Now just listen for a sec... Goku is stronger than Vegeta, yet in the android saga, Vegeta trained at 300 times normal gravity, THEN 400, then he specifically said, he trained at 450 times gravity, BEFORE transforming into a super saiyan..
Now Let's go back for a minute, you remember when Frieza tranformed into his first form, his power level was ONE million. And Remember when Goku fought Ginyu, I believe his powerlevel was 180,000? Now This is the same Goku, that recovered after the fight and battled Frieza, who was in his final form and his powerlevel skyrocketed WAAAAAAAY over one million...
Goku barely had a chance until he reached Super Saiyan.. Now someone who is WAAAAYY over several million is matched by this super saiyan. You should be able to understand this... Now back to Vegeta... He trained at 450 times normal gravity... Super saiyan powers you up 50 times... Multiply 50 by 450.. 2250! He can then withstand 2250 times normal gravity as a super saiyan.. Now if Goku is supposed to be stronger than Vegeta, don't you think he can withstand a hell of a lot more times then f*cking 528 times gravity? Come on dude, think about it for a minute..
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I shouldn't even have to explain super saiyan 2 and 3.. Now you're right, ss4 is non canon, but we've seen it anyway. SS2 multiplies ss1 times 2.. ss3 mutiplies ss2 by 2 or ss1 by 4. There's no need to even explain there power levels... So come on man... 600 times normal gravity, are you serious? Goku in these forms can train in the THOUSANDS, and I mean a lot of THOUSANDS.
Now the SECOND thing I disagree with what you say is when you said if you measure any pokemon, some could beat goku... Seriously, Goku is WAY too f*cking fast and strong for any pokemon to fight him. But I won't get into this, because there might be, I stopped watching pokemon, so I won't judge, I'm stating logical opinions.
Other than this, this is a good post, and yeah, Superman wins either way it go, just wanted to point these few things out.
