Hiruzen knows and can perform all Konoha Jutsu's

[Saikyokami]

To bad from what everyone is saying its a good thread but im too lazy to read all of it

 

[Henchman24]

dude thats a false statement . kakashi new how to do the resanga and also she left the village a long time ago .how could she possibly know if the third learned the resanga.

This was also stated long before Kakashi could use it. How could she know? Well she was Hiruzen's student and I'm sure they were on good speaking terms. Also I didn't see Jiraiya argue with her about it. He was probably in contact wih Hiruzen more then Tsunade was.

I still say that Hiruzen didn't learn Rasengan.

 

[Blaze Release]

People please read the thread before you post, it really helps i can assure you

 

[Waltz]

I like your thread because what you say is true but there is a flaw.

All the Jutsu that "exist <- existed" in konoha (even if they are written on those scrolls) Can't be performed by hiruzen.

It leaves the question, What is "Konoha Jutsu"? Senju Ninjutsu/Gen/Taijutsu? Most likely but it is NOT "All the jutsu that exist in the leaf" because Konoha doesn't comprise solely of "Senju" natives.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Nice effort, I agree to some extent, but this is only speculation, we don't even know if the scroll has a lot of empty pages for future kinjutsu or is filled with jutsu's.

 

[gameove]

This was also stated long before Kakashi could use it. How could she know? Well she was Hiruzen's student and I'm sure they were on good speaking terms. Also I didn't see Jiraiya argue with her about it. He was probably in contact wih Hiruzen more then Tsunade was.

I still say that Hiruzen didn't learn Rasengan.

dude she left the village a long long time ago. when the elders came first to tell j man that he was the next hokage. he said wha about tsunade and they said she was now were to be found . meaning she been m.i.a . most likely since end of the third war and what was that like over 20 yrs ago.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Hmm but has manga shown kakashi using 1000 different jutsus ?
u Know from what i have learned its all beep,And people keep underestimating Hiruzen so much when they say he learned every jutsu they are meaning he read how to do each jutsu from kanoha and knew how to use them,So for example u said he cant do izanagi so meaning he knew how to use izanagi but didnt have the eyes required to use it.

No him knowing all techniques does not cover uchiha dojustu one its on the tablet and in the uchiha compound he can't just walk right in and read it all nilly willy if you have to ask why then thats pretty sad

 

[Blaze Release]

I like your thread because what you say is true but there is a flaw.

All the Jutsu that "exist <- existed" in konoha (even if they are written on those scrolls) Can't be performed by hiruzen.

It leaves the question, What is "Konoha Jutsu"? Senju Ninjutsu/Gen/Taijutsu? Most likely but it is NOT "All the jutsu that exist in the leaf" because Konoha doesn't comprise solely of "Senju" natives.

Konoha jutsu i believe isn't necessarily senju techniques though i believe a vast majority are. Konoha jutsu can be trade mark techniques within the village

 

[Waltz]

Konoha jutsu i believe isn't necessarily senju techniques though i believe a vast majority are. Konoha jutsu can be trade mark techniques within the village

More or less associated with konoha? I would agree. The kagebunshin technique is one...it clearly derived from the senju clan being that Hashirama was able to make Mokuton Kage bunshin.

Ah! i see what you did! there is a great difference between your title and Orochimaru's statement.
Hiruzen does indeed know and can perform all konoha jutsu's but he dosen't know every jutsu that exists in the leaf village.

 

[SAGEPATH]

No him knowing all techniques does not cover uchiha dojustu one its on the tablet and in the uchiha compound he can't just walk right in and read it all nilly willy if you have to ask why then thats pretty sad

Doesnt Hokage have power to do anything in his village or am i missing something ?

 

[Owarij]

Is it possible he knows how to use bringer of darkness , i'm not asking if he has it, I know we can't possibly know that, I'm interested in knowing the possibility of him learning it

And edit - holy shit..if the little part naruto opened was just kage bunshin, then theentire scroll would be filled with other jutsu, + all the scrolls on the shelf, then he truly did have thousands of jutsu mastered , I can't comment on their rank however

 

[Blaze Release]

Is it possible he knows how to use bringer of darkness , i'm not asking if he has it, I know we can't possibly know that, I'm interested in knowing the possibility of him learning it

Its very possible as its one of hashirama's technique and nothing to do with his mokuton.

 

[TheBrightSide]

Damn, made me a believer.

 

[Waltz]

Is it possible he knows how to use bringer of darkness , i'm not asking if he has it, I know we can't possibly know that, I'm interested in knowing the possibility of him learning it

Most likely knew it.

When Tobirama used his suiton...the anbu guy said "He's able to use that level of suiton". If that jutsu was Tobirama's then how would he have recognized it? I do believe that Hashi and Tobi wrote down their Ninjutsu in scroll's also to be thought to the upcoming generations.

 

[The Alchemist]

all konoha jutsu ?
kakashi mastered more jutsu than 3rd hokage and there are so many jutsu's from konoha that's even 3rd hokage can't do it ..

for example : izunagi

You didn't read obviously.
Kakashi can't do more Konoha jutsu than Hiruzen he simply has copied a thousand jutsu, it's not the same thing. By that logic are you saying Kakashi is stronger than Hiruzen? Give me a break...
Great thread, sound logic and you actually use the data book to back up your claims unlike al;l the other fan-boy tards. + Rep.
Edit: You all seem to not understand that Konoha jutsu isn't the same as a clan secret jutsu. Konoha jutsu mean a jutsu created by a Konoha ninja, like shuriken kage bunshin was created by Hiruzen. Sense it was created by him and not by the Sarutobi clan ancestors it counts as a Konoha jutsu.
Aburame, Inuzuka, Hyuga, Uchiha, etc; all have secret techniquesunique to their clan so those techniques don't count as Konoha jutsu because only clan members are permitted to learn them, but their secrets can be stolen, the same way certain KG like doujutsus and Mokuton can be stolen.
So in closing Hiruzen is a boss and is top 10 material. That's not to say he can pwn everyone he comes into contact with because that's not how Naruto battles work, you have to take into account a lot more than OP jutsu no matter how flashy.

 

[-Logic-]

Simply amazing.​

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[Henchman24]

dude she left the village a long long time ago. when the elders came first to tell j man that he was the next hokage. he said wha about tsunade and they said she was now were to be found . meaning she been m.i.a . most likely since end of the third war and what was that like over 20 yrs ago.

Regardless. I still say he didn't learn to use it. Someone being able to use Rasengan is kind of a big deal. If he could use it then I'm certain it would have been mentioned. Jiraiya is a skilled spy. If anyone other than the Fourth or himself at the time time or before knew how to use it he would not only know but would make mention of it.

 

[gameove]

Regardless. I still say he didn't learn to use it. Someone being able to use Rasengan is kind of a big deal. If he could use it then I'm certain it would have been mentioned. Jiraiya is a skilled spy. If anyone other than the Fourth or himself at the time time or before knew how to use it he would not only know but would make mention of it.

well i guess we agree not to agree lol

 

[The Alchemist]

Regardless. I still say he didn't learn to use it. Someone being able to use Rasengan is kind of a big deal. If he could use it then I'm certain it would have been mentioned. Jiraiya is a skilled spy. If anyone other than the Fourth or himself at the time time or before knew how to use it he would not only know but would make mention of it.

Why would Kishi show Hiruzen using the rasengan before it is even revealed? That would've been retarded. Of course Hiruzen can use it, all it is is chakra manipulation, etc; it wouldn't be hard for a Hokage to use it. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true. With that logic I discount the existence of air because I've never seen it...

 

[blazekev90]

I don't remember using any sensing ability, it sure would have helped in his fight....lol