Hashirama rumor?

[sage22]

during the his reign and i suppose Hashi was the strongest during his reign saru was the stongest during his reign minato was the fastest

blah blah get the point besides hashi stronger than hiruzen also notice he was older when he died so maybe he had handicapps if he was the age of when he fought madara when oro brought him he definetly would have ko ed him

Dude I have already posted a scan that says hiruzen was the strongest of them all. Give me something from the manga.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Dude I have already posted a scan that says hiruzen was the strongest of them all. Give me something from the manga.

during his reign as hokage saru was the strongest before him Hashi was the strongest + u think saru be hokage if hashi and tobi didnt train and prep him up + not gogint to right now because im reading bleach maybe later

 

[MickNerks]

Strongest hokage can mean alot of things ..

Then again you can't tell me how he beats hashirama so we are done

I could also give you scans of hashirama being called

Was hailed as the best shinobi
Was the strongest of his time
His powers were of that of a fairy tale

1. So what , hashirama was called the best shinobi. Hiruzen was called the GOD OF SHINOBI

2. He was only referred to as the strongest of HIS TIME.. that proves that people could have been stronger than him after he died.. He wasnt called the strongest of all time, only the strongest of his time.

3. You are over playing the statement that his powers were considered a fairytale.. That doesnt give a definition of his power, that only says that people couldnt believe how powerful others said he was.

He beat madara and 9 tails ( hiruzen struggled with 9 tails)

You obviously dont pay attention to the manga.. hashirama struggled more with the nine tails then hiruzen did.. Hiruzen was able to single handedly push the nine tails out of the village. And he was shown to prepare to tank a TBB. Nowhere was it shown that hiruzen was struggling.. On the other hand, the manga does show hashirama struggling while fighting the nine tails and even gives up during the fight and lets his WIFE deal with it instead (becuase letting your wife fight your battles is real strength lol)

You must be registered for see images

Look at Hashirama's face.. That is a face of a man struggling.. Hiruzen remained colleted, while hashirama looks defeated.

He can make a forest instantly
Can heal without hand seals
Has alot of chakra
Can also use suiton and Doton
Wood dragon
Mokuton clones

1. Hiruzen easily escaped that forest
2. so can tsunade and sakura
3. so does naruto
4. yamato and nagato can also
5. Naruto easily escaped the dragon
6. Naruto can make way more clones and Madara

With your logic hiruzen is number 1 top 10 ?
Or hiruzen is second to so6p ... With all hashiramas hype I think he more than sits on the strongest hokage

Hiruzen was called the strongest because he needed hype to die with had he died without hype he would have been seen as weak and you wouldn't know why the leaf was that strong

Hiruzen's hype is greater than hashirama's..

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest that ever lived in his prime (that is a BOLD statement to make)
Hiruzen was God of shinobi in his prime
Hiruzen could use and mastered ever technique in the hidden leaf village
Hiruzen defeated the 1st and 2nd hokage and orochimaru, and saved the village
Hiruzen is the sensei of the sannin
Hiruzen even at old age was still said to be stronger than Muu, 2nd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and 3rd and 4th kazekage (stated by kabuto)

Gaaras defence the strongest people can break through it

Noo, gaara's defense is still the strongest, and no one has broken thru it since sasuke in pt 1.

this is what gaara's defense is

You must be registered for see images

Even when they break thru the sand shield.. no one has been sucessful at getting pass the sand armour. That why we never see gaara bleed.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

1. So what , hashirama was called the best shinobi. Hiruzen was called the GOD OF SHINOBI

2. He was only referred to as the strongest of HIS TIME.. that proves that people could have been stronger than him after he died.. He wasnt called the strongest of all time, only the strongest of his time.

3. You are over playing the statement that his powers were considered a fairytale.. That doesnt give a definition of his power, that only says that people couldnt believe how powerful others said he was.



You obviously dont pay attention to the manga.. hashirama struggled more with the nine tails then hiruzen did.. Hiruzen was able to single handedly push the nine tails out of the village. And he was shown to prepare to tank a TBB. Nowhere was it shown that hiruzen was struggling.. On the other hand, the manga does show hashirama struggling while fighting the nine tails and even gives up during the fight and lets his WIFE deal with it instead (becuase letting your wife fight your battles is real strength lol)

You must be registered for see images

Look at Hashirama's face.. That is a face of a man struggling.. Hiruzen remained colleted, while hashirama looks defeated.




1. Hiruzen easily escaped that forest
2. so can tsunade and sakura
3. so does naruto
4. yamato and nagato can also
5. Naruto easily escaped the dragon
6. Naruto can make way more clones and Madara




Hiruzen's hype is greater than hashirama's..

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest that ever lived in his prime (that is a BOLD statement to make)
Hiruzen was God of shinobi in his prime
Hiruzen could use and mastered ever technique in the hidden leaf village
Hiruzen defeated the 1st and 2nd hokage and orochimaru, and saved the village
Hiruzen is the sensei of the sannin
Hiruzen even at old age was still said to be stronger than Muu, 2nd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and 3rd and 4th kazekage (stated by kabuto)



Noo, gaara's defense is still the strongest, and no one has broken thru it since sasuke in pt 1.

this is what gaara's defense is

You must be registered for see images

Even when they break thru the sand shield.. no one has been sucessful at getting pass the sand armour. That why we never see gaara bleed.

u make valid point but hashgi was fighting madara as well of course he tired and blooded fighting a rampaging demon and a guy with skill intellect and power mito wasnt there after the fighjt hashi decided that was too much and sealed him in mito

 

[MickNerks]

u make valid point but hashgi was fighting madara as well of course he tired and blooded fighting a rampaging demon and a guy with skill intellect and power mito wasnt there after the fighjt hashi decided that was too much and sealed him in mito

He defeated madara first and then dealt with the beast.. But i find it funny that the bijuu suppressor couldnt fight on equal grounds as the kyuubi. Hashirama went as far as to say that the kyuubi's power is "TOOO GREAT". It was too great for even hashirama to deal with..

And Mito sealed the kyuubi within herself. hashirama had nothing to do with the sealing, mito says it in the middle panel.

People who are capable and have shown that they could subdue and defeat the nine tails:

3rd raikage
Naruto
Kushina
Minato

Hashirama was not capable of supressing its power or stopping it.

 

[Kristjan]

Only kage that can kill madara is hashi beacause his mokuton absorbs the ps like it did with 9 tails, but that dosent mean he is the strongest. I think on power level he is the strongest (changeing landscapes and sht)but personally hiruzen might win high dif and also minato mby has a change to with ftg speed>power , dont know anything about 2 hokage

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

He defeated madara first and then dealt with the beast.. But i find it funny that the bijuu suppressor couldnt fight on equal grounds as the kyuubi. Hashirama went as far as to say that the kyuubi's power is "TOOO GREAT". It was too great for even hashirama to deal with..

And Mito sealed the kyuubi within herself. hashirama had nothing to do with the sealing, mito says it in the middle panel.

People who are capable and have shown that they could subdue and defeat the nine tails:

3rd raikage
Naruto
Kushina
Minato

Hashirama was not capable of supressing its power or stopping it.

in the manga and anime it shows hashi restraining kurama while madara is yelling and about to charge him again cause it looks like he too some damage like it shows hashi i meant that he beat kurama then him and mito come up with the plan to seal him in her ur pic show shes elswhere not where hashi is after beating him

You must be registered for see images

 

[genii96]

Hiruzen is the strongest hokage. Hashirama beat madara,was hiruzen alive back then?,hiruzen in his prime was hailed as the god of shinobi,hashirama's moukton is strong against bijuus,and kyubi may have been 100%,but it was raw and controlled,and didnt use it's power well as evidenced by the fact that wood dragon beat ot whole naruto with only 50% of the kyubi beat the dragon.

Hiruzen beat edo hashi whether part 1 or not. He is the strongest hokage,madara didnt know hiruzen well,how would he know if hiruzen could stop him?,. Dan said hashirama could stop madara,because hashi beat madara when he had ems,did dan know abt edo madara's upgrade?.

Hiruzen went up against an oro with arms,whom ems sasuke said would beat him,and managed not only to take his edos,but seal his arm as well,despite being really old.

Sorry,hiruzen is the strongest hokage,deal with it.

 

[MickNerks]

in the manga and anime it shows hashi restraining kurama while madara is yelling and about to charge him again cause it looks like he too some damage like it shows hashi i meant that he beat kurama then him and mito come up with the plan to seal him in her ur pic show shes elswhere not where hashi is after beating him

You must be registered for see images

I've never seen a manga page that shows hashirama restraining Kurama.
And mito could be anywhere, but it looks as though she is in her consciousness talking to kurama. It looks like a cage behind her. Just my opinion though.

 

[yin5746]

I think it's kinda difficult to say. We haven't seen all that much of each Kage at their prime. But Masashi is very much into the theme of the next generation being stronger than the last. Though from what we've seen. I personally think hashirama was the strongest, but the senju is just about my favorite clan as far as abilities go so I'm rather biast. But I think naruto will be the strongest.

 

[SAmIDeXtEr]

Hashi whoop's madara and even kurama, Isn't that proof enough?.....:T_T:

Well,well....i don't agree that he's the strongest xd

 

[HondaSage]

personally i think hashirama is stronger, here are my reasons why.

mokuton: best offense and defense i have ever seen. examples (tree world, flower tree world, wood dragon, wood locking wall ect)
secret scrolls: used for sealing and summonings (giant shuriken, swords, ect)
healing tech: he can heal himself without using hand signs (major role player for endurance battles).


what does the third have to defend against flower tree world or wood dragon?
The wood wall has been shown to withstand a TBB, does the 3rd have a tech that can do more damage?


i'mnot trying to take away from the 3rd's strengths but i think hashi is too much brute force for him.

 

[HondaSage]

also i would like to vent about something else, everyone keeps blabbing about how the 3rd beat the 1st in part 1. I want everyone to be aware that the 1st was a mindless drone. he makes 0 consious desicions and that sways the battle A LOT.

a good example would be playing Generations against CPU on superhard or a Very experienced online player both using the same character. Same experience? NO, the user with an actual brain is going to be wayyy harder.

 

[MickNerks]

personally i think hashirama is stronger, here are my reasons why.

mokuton: best offense and defense i have ever seen. examples (tree world, flower tree world, wood dragon, wood locking wall ect)
secret scrolls: used for sealing and summonings (giant shuriken, swords, ect)
healing tech: he can heal himself without using hand signs (major role player for endurance battles).


what does the third have to defend against flower tree world or wood dragon?
The wood wall has been shown to withstand a TBB, does the 3rd have a tech that can do more damage?


i'mnot trying to take away from the 3rd's strengths but i think hashi is too much brute force for him.

1. Mokuton isnt that great of a offense and defense. Hiruzen destroyed mokuton like it was nothing. It may be the best use against bijuu, but not the god of shinobi.

You must be registered for see images

2. The third has enma and katon to counter flowering tree world and wood dragon.

3. Im sure hiruzen could heal himself as well, if it is true that he learned ever jutsu in the hidden leaf. If sure he had mastery over medical jutsu.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

1. Mokuton isnt that great of a offense and defense. Hiruzen destroyed mokuton like it was nothing. It may be the best use against bijuu, but not the god of shinobi.

You must be registered for see images

2. The third has enma and katon to counter flowering tree world and wood dragon.

3. Im sure hiruzen could heal himself as well, if it is true that he learned ever jutsu in the hidden leaf. If sure he had mastery over medical jutsu.

By this logic even Tsunade can defeat Hashirama :sy:

Hiruzen is NOT the strongest Hokage, just deal with it fanboys/ fangirls.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hiruzen is the strongest hokage. Hashirama beat madara,was hiruzen alive back then?,hiruzen in his prime was hailed as the god of shinobi,hashirama's moukton is strong against bijuus,and kyubi may have been 100%,but it was raw and controlled,and didnt use it's power well as evidenced by the fact that wood dragon beat ot whole naruto with only 50% of the kyubi beat the dragon.

Hiruzen beat edo hashi whether part 1 or not. He is the strongest hokage,madara didnt know hiruzen well,how would he know if hiruzen could stop him?,. Dan said hashirama could stop madara,because hashi beat madara when he had ems,did dan know abt edo madara's upgrade?.

Hiruzen went up against an oro with arms,whom ems sasuke said would beat him,and managed not only to take his edos,but seal his arm as well,despite being really old.

Sorry,hiruzen is the strongest hokage,deal with it.

Wait... You said once that Gaara can defeat him no or low diff. So Gaara > the strongest Hokage? I'm confused.

 

[sage22]

By this logic even Tsunade can defeat Hashirama :sy:

Hiruzen is NOT the strongest Hokage, just deal with it fanboys/ fangirls.

So you say hiruzen isn't the strongest hokage but I have PROOF THAT HE IS

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

WHAG PROOF U HAVE

 

[HondaSage]

1. Mokuton isnt that great of a offense and defense. Hiruzen destroyed mokuton like it was nothing. It may be the best use against bijuu, but not the god of shinobi.

2. The third has enma and katon to counter flowering tree world and wood dragon.

3. Im sure hiruzen could heal himself as well, if it is true that he learned ever jutsu in the hidden leaf. If sure he had mastery over medical jutsu.

you make a good point about katon release but do you think that is very effective against flower tree world? you can't touch or breath around it because of the pollen. you would think setting it on fire would be even worse :/.

i dont think enma would have much of a fight agaon because of the pollen, technically you cant get near the stuff.

lastly, i dont think we should be assuming on techs neither of them have shown, and besides that healing tech was something only the 1st could do....but i think the 5th learned to also i'm not sure..

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

you make a good point about katon release but do you think that is very effective against flower tree world? you can't touch or breath around it because of the pollen. you would think setting it on fire would be even worse :/.

i dont think enma would have much of a fight agaon because of the pollen, technically you cant get near the stuff.

lastly, i dont think we should be assuming on techs neither of them have shown, and besides that healing tech was something only the 1st could do....but i think the 5th learned to also i'm not sure..

Of course Hiruzen can't use healing jutsu... That's just insane... I mean if he can use, why didn't used it when he fought Oro ?

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

So you say hiruzen isn't the strongest hokage but I have PROOF THAT HE IS

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

WHAG PROOF U HAVE

This is not proof you retard. A fodder told about his Hokage that he is the strongest. That's all. I bet in Suna everyone thought that their Kage is the strongest... The situation is the same with every villages.