Obito vs Minato

[Lilt]

And people think Itachi fans are the worst lol.

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[~Sovereign~]

Minato fanboys dickride harder yeah?


theres a big difference between a 30 yr old obito and 14 yr old obito.
obito wins low diff

*sigh*

Yes, he won before. That doesn't necessarily mean that he will win again. Obito DOES NOT, as I have clearly stated. He also has the Six Jinchuuriki's if you forgot about that, you know, just in case. HA. I never said there was "no proof" that Minato can't do the same thing again, I'm saying that Obito would win this time around, whether you argue for it, or not.

obito

You're trying to prove something I never denied. And then you call me foolish for it. A wise decision.

Gedo Mazo is a summon. Once again, never said it wasn't. But it's not an ordinary summon, it's a Rinnegan-only technique. Let's break it down: Not summoned by

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won't work on it. And even if it did, it's not a living thing, per se, like the other summonings. It's a statue that is controlled by both Senju and Uchiha DNA.

lol so when kakashi's overconfidence in his chidori almost got him killed during the Shinobi when he was a jounin had no effect on the battle ?
perheps if minato wasn't there to save him do you think kakashi would still be alive ?


where has it been shown that you need your blood to summon gedo mazou?

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i see no blood

Edo Jinchuuriki + Gedo Mazo rape Minato....

I don't see why Rinnegan is restricted even though we know for a fact that he can use all the techs.

Obito stomps. There is no answer to Gedō Mazō & the Edo Jinchūrikis (amongst other things) on Minato's part. Quite frankly, one could make a case for pre-Rinnegan Obito emerging victorious from a battle with Minato if he possesses knowledge on Yondaime's abilities. The level of hax afforded to someone who possesses both Kamui (*Mokuton) and the complete Izanagi cannot be ignored.

*Up to the voter.

all Bijuus make a TBB.

*Starting in this thread I included the fan

& your definition of a fighting style is flawed, if I fight with a sword it's a different type of style as to fighting with a spear, you can't swing a spear the same way you swing a sword, however PART of his fighting style remains the same with attempting to grab and warp



Minato would not have known about the 5 minutes of continuous intangibility, unless you think he could last long enough that he would figure it out (I think he would)



Don't take him too seriously, look at his name/manners... but yes, the general consensus was that he was using the chain to warp Minato away with him, but that's the old him, we want to think about how he'd do now.



While I agree with you the facts do not

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Also about Obito "With the Four-Tails free, Tobi quickly summons the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path to reseal the beast..."

And people think Itachi fans are the worst lol.

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this post is wrong

stb>>>>>tbb
there are no 6 edo paths
contract seal>>gedo mazo

 

[OnPoint]

there are no edo jinchuriki because kabuto isnt here

contract seal>>>gedo mazo

if obito uses izanagi HE"LL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE KAMUI AGAIN....stupid idea to use izanagi if you ask me

minato beat kamui before, why cant he do it again?

The contract seal won't achieve much bro. It won't de-summon the Mazō; that is to say, the statue will not be removed from play. There remains the issue of whether or not Gedō Mazō behaves like a summon acting autonomously or one acting in an agentic state (under control or being influenced by a superior, ala Obito and the Kyūbi). Think of it like this - if Minato were to use the contract seal on Jiraiya, would it achieve anything? Gamabunta (for example) would remain on the battlefield, but because Jiraiya wasn't in complete control of him, Gamabunta will be free to continue fighting for Ero Sennin. This is the issue with Gedō Mazō - is it actually being forced to fight against it's will (how Kurama was), or is it simply a naturally violent summon which can only be used by those who possess both Uchiha & Senju DNA? Madara explicitly stated that Obito would be able to use it, not "control" it [

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]. Either way, the Mazō will remain on the battlefield - it just remains to be seen whether it'd continue obeying Obito or simply attack blindly.

Well, if you read my post carefully then you would've noticed that I was referring to pre-Rinnegan Obito, and therefore acting under the notion that his left eye (a normal Sharingan, in this case) would be sacrificed, not his Mangekyou wielding right.

Of course with Hiraishin, Minato's chances are higher than most - it's just that I feel they're relatively low in this scenario. It's true that he overcame Kamui once before. But you must consider that;

- Obito was relatively inexperienced when he first fought Yondaime
- Obito's attention was split between fighting Minato and controlling the Kyūbi
- Obito lacked knowledge on v2 Hiraishin

Factor 3, in my opinion, is what ultimately lead to Obito's defeat. If he possesses knowledge on Hiraishin to its fullest, he won't be fooled into throwing it all on the line in a battle of speed - remember, he possesses the superior S/T ninjutsu which can render anything Hiraishin related useless.

 

[FTSAOGirl]

Urgh it really comes down to if Obito can touch Minato, which he can't. So can Minato outsmart Obito again? I think that there's a bigger chance.

BTW wasn't this in the manga section?

 

[Xaviour]

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that's not call his fighting style, thats call his weapons/jutsu

his fighting style is to let you attack him, then he becomes intangible and once you go through his body, he grabs you and sucks you into his dimension

a fighting style is kinda like a tactic

the chain was a WEAPON not part of his fighting style

obito doesnt have the fan anymore

Minato fanboys dickride harder yeah?


theres a big difference between a 30 yr old obito and 14 yr old obito.
obito wins low diff

I think these two have something in common...

Edo Jinchuuriki + Gedo Mazo rape Minato....

I don't see why Rinnegan is restricted even though we know for a fact that he can use all the techs.

Show me a manga panel where he uses a single Rinnegan tech and I'll include it.

You're trying to prove something I never denied. And then you call me foolish for it. A wise decision.

Gedo Mazo is a summon. Once again, never said it wasn't. But it's not an ordinary summon, it's a Rinnegan-only technique. Let's break it down: Not summoned by

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, but summoned by

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, therefore,

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won't work on it. And even if it did, it's not a living thing, per se, like the other summonings. It's a statue that is controlled by both Senju and Uchiha DNA.

I agree with you that it's a summon, many wiki's agree, but play nice

you think obito can win low diff...seems like your the true fanboy around here



you just said that you didnt say "no proof".....now you say obito will won......PROOF THAT OBITO WINS HANDS DOWN?????? your posting more and more nonsense



minato....



GEDO MAZO IS A SUMMONING!!!! ANY summoning needs a contract...is it that hard to understand???...that why its being SUMMONED to the field...it doesnt walk to the field



:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
kakashi didnt have prep time SO YES IT MATTERED THEN...obito had PREP TIME tho, so overconfident doesnt matter because he was being by a plan and still lost

blood doesnt mean anything...GEDO MAZO is a summoning.....and all summonings require a contract....SO CONTRACT SEAL WILL WORK



there are no edo jinchuriki because kabuto isnt here

contract seal>>>gedo mazo

give me a link of tobi use all rinnegan techs



there are no edo jinchuriki because kabuto isnt here

contract seal>>>gedo mazo

if obito uses izanagi HE"LL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE KAMUI AGAIN....stupid idea to use izanagi if you ask me

minato beat kamui before, why cant he do it again?



space time barrier



minato doesnt use chakra (except for rasengan) so the fan is useless

that is not a fight style, i just told you what obito's fighting style is....the difference is the combinations...at first he used a chain now he uses fan.....its not his fighting style that changed, its his combos and weapons...big difference

yea it'll be a long fight

Now that's more like it, talk about the topic at hand, even if our opnions on a fighting style change it's still the difference that counts ^_^

Urgh it really comes down to if Obito can touch Minato, which he can't. So can Minato outsmart Obito again? I think that there's a bigger chance.

BTW wasn't this in the manga section?

Ah you have a good point there, but you don't think that Obito has changed any/gained any experience from his last battle with Minato?

& yes it was but it got moved

 

[KidGamer65]

I think these two have something in common...



Show me a manga panel where he uses a single Rinnegan tech and I'll include it.



I agree with you that it's a summon, many wiki's agree, but play nice



Now that's more like it, talk about the topic at hand, even if our opnions on a fighting style change it's still the difference that counts ^_^



Ah you have a good point there, but you don't think that Obito has changed any/gained any experience from his last battle with Minato?

& yes it was but it got moved

He already said he would use Human Path against Yamato:

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It's been stated that Rinnegan gives you the power to use the Six Paths:

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Obito clearly has knowledge on how to use them:

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(Rikudou translates to Six Paths).

Obito has been using Gedo, the 7th Path which controls life and death this whole fight, so it isn't that far fetched to say that he can use all of them and if he can use Human Path, why couldn't he use the rest of them?

 

[Xaviour]

He already said he would use Human Path against Yamato:

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It's been stated that Rinnegan gives you the power to use the Six Paths:

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Obito clearly has knowledge on how to use them:

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(Rikudou translates to Six Paths).

Obito has been using Gedo, the 7th Path which controls life and death this whole fight, so it isn't that far fetched to say that he can use all of them and if he can use Human Path, why couldn't he use the rest of them?

Think of the MS. You need both eyes in order to use all of its powers. Perhaps because he only has 1 eye he is restricted to using Gedou Mazou summoning and 6P linkage jitsu.

He does have knowledge on how to use the jitsu, but then why didn't he use it to Revive Madara? You could say it's because Kabuto revived him first, but I am still baffled as to why he wouldn't have used any of the techs up until now (even elements)

However you got me at Human path I'll throw the link in the OP so people don't rage

 

[FTSAOGirl]

Ah you have a good point there, but you don't think that Obito has changed any/gained any experience from his last battle with Minato?

& yes it was but it got moved [/QUOTE]

No, I think that Obito's experience with Minato would benefit him more, but in the end Minato is too high level. He would probably end up being smart enough to figure out his 5 minute weakness.

& doesn't that always happen to you?

 

[Xaviour]

He is a high level strategist (what with his op yellow flash and all ), but how would Minato attack Obito continuously for 5 minutes straight? FTG may do it, but he might get dizzy, and Obito could always phase through the ground.

& don't get me wrong people, I'm not rooting for Obito or Minato, I've just had this on my head for a long long time now and need to try to get as much information out of what we know now.

 

[oOYellow FlashOo]

minato beat obito fair.he did not catch him off guard.obito couldnt keep up with minato when he used ftg lvl 2 plain and simple.

 

[Xaviour]

minato beat obito fair.he did not catch him off guard.obito couldnt keep up with minato when he used ftg lvl 2 plain and simple.

We're talking about a rematch here.

 

[lol99]

Damn people be trolling minato

Regarding the battle between space time techs
The advantage of knowledge goes both ways, if tobi has knowledge on ftg lvl2 then Minato has knowledge on kamui from the start and will not allow tobi to touch him. Also people seem to be under the delusion that Minato is going to use the same trick twice.
Saying tobi auto wins in a rematch is a troll statement and nothing more.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Proof that all summonings require a contract? Okay then.

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Says nothing about needing a contract seal. Absolutely nothing. Only that through the Rinnegan he was able to break the seal (the seal that turned his shell into the moon) and gave him the ability to summon him. Gedo Mazo has no contract.

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EVEN THE GEDO MAZO IS LISTED UNDER "users"

contract seal>>gedo mazo

 

[~Sovereign~]

Damn people be trolling minato

Regarding the battle between space time techs
The advantage of knowledge goes both ways, if tobi has knowledge on ftg lvl2 then Minato has knowledge on kamui from the start and will not allow tobi to touch him. Also people seem to be under the delusion that Minato is going to use the same trick twice.
Saying tobi auto wins in a rematch is a troll statement and nothing more.

you're just mad because minato can beat him and he'll do it again...minato beat him before and obito has the same fighting style

 

[lol99]

you're just mad because minato can beat him and he'll do it again...minato beat him before and obito has the same fighting style

wut? -___-
my post was for those who say that obito wins cause he now has knowledge on ftg lvl 2

 

[~Sovereign~]

wut? -___-
my post was for those who say that obito wins cause he now has knowledge on ftg lvl 2

LMFAO my mistake

 

[shelke]

Obito has shown much more diversity in his S/T jutsu since then. His intangibility is instant, as he was able to phase through TBB without any hitch at all. He can izanagi; the only creation technique created by the sage. He gave Minato a hard time when he was only 14, as Minato said that he saw through all his techniques, and at that time he was also controlling the kyuubi. Now 16 years later, he has progressed leaps and bounds since then. Minato is not winning this from any angle. I am sorry to say this, but this is a one-sided fight. Izagani alone is enough to finish the fight.

 

[sazhin]

tobi is stronger now..rinnegan and the paths .....bt even in the kyuubi atack minato defeated him in style minato is way beter/his techniques are awsome

 

[Sexy Steel]

Damn people be trolling minato

Regarding the battle between space time techs
The advantage of knowledge goes both ways, if tobi has knowledge on ftg lvl2 then Minato has knowledge on kamui from the start and will not allow tobi to touch him. Also people seem to be under the delusion that Minato is going to use the same trick twice.
Saying tobi auto wins in a rematch is a troll statement and nothing more.

then explain what trick he would use, rds ? rasengan ? enlighten me

 

[FTSAOGirl]

then explain what trick he would use, rds ? rasengan ? enlighten me

Does he really need a "trick?" If anything MS was more of a trick then FTG but if it worked the first time, when why not the second?