[Predictions] Bleach Manga Chapter 514 Discussion and 515 Predictions

[Forza]

Did anyone realize that in some way, Aizen is allied with soul society? He made Juha Buha mistake his time preception, thus making him waste time by fooling around instead destroying more of soul society, or ichigo, or zero squad...

 

[Ecchidaime]

I just realized that the king of quincies or w/e looks very similar to zangetsu (old guy)

if he is indeed somehow his father/grandfather, maybe his zanpaktou took that form for a reason (pretty sure I'm completely wrong D, just find it intereseting )

ichigo is farthest from human lol, quincy blood, shinigami blood, hollowfied. what's next?

 

[TheHokage]

Did anyone realize that in some way, Aizen is allied with soul society? He made Juha Buha mistake his time preception, thus making him waste time by fooling around instead destroying more of soul society, or ichigo, or zero squad...

Yeah I noticed that but I think he had his own reasons to not just to help SS

 

[ChocolateBear]

What are you on about? did you not read that his body was injured before fighting Juha and still he did a better job than Yamamoto at least he was able to do some damage.

But anyway on to the chapter, I was proven right again this chapter seems Masaki was a Quincy...but are we sure that the end page isn't translated wrongly if not then maybe he wasn't talking about Ichigo.

Because Isshin is Ichigo's father they have the same type of Zanpaktou same moves same eye color even, it also explains why Isshin went into hiding.

HALSCHWALD is boss I'm calling it now he's related to Masaki.

He still would of lost so your point

 

[BalletShinigami]

Dafuq just happened? My mind was totally blown, apparently I haven't been paying nearly enough attention because that Quincy bit about his mom totally caught me off guard. I'm a little confused about the whole "My son born in the darkness" part, does that mean that Isshin is really not Ichigo's dad??? o.o And why does Juha want to take Ichigo back with him????? I'm curious to see where this goes, I actually want Ichigo to go back with him and have some kind of a twist. I'm excited to read the next chapter, I kinda wish it hadn't come out so early because that means we have to wait longer for the next one!!! AHHHH

 

[bretrecra]

I'm confused as to why...well everyone seems to be confused. This chapter, if translated properly, JUHA IS SAYING HE'S ICHIGO'S FATHER. Lol why is everyone confused? I get that it's natural to question such a farfetched idea but Juha is indeed saying that. Crazy as it is.

Also Ichigo sure does love this attack stance...

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[TheHokage]

He still would of lost so your point

Never said he wouldn't of but what your saying really is that every character is weak, since I don't see how any Shinigami could of defeated Juha there, but the fact Ichigo was injured before battle and still did more damage than Yamamoto someone who claims to be the strongest shinigami in a 1000 years proves to me that Ichigo is not getting weaker.

 

[BalletShinigami]

Re: Bleach Manga Chapter 514 Discussion and 515 Predictions



Also Ichigo sure does love this attack stance...

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Lol I just noticed that ^^" I guess it's just ichigo's classis stance for now

 

[Fiercesoul]

One of the best chapters of this arc until now with so many information and action.

First, the major things that this chapter brought us:
1- Ichigo is part Quincy due to his Mother, as expected. And that's how he escaped the cage.
2- Ichigo isn't at 100% but Juha was not going all-out too so we can expect much more in their next round.
3- Aizen is capable of inducing some hypnosis, even without his zanpaktou now. Maybe he merged with the sword, kinda like Ichigo. The guy is really overpowered as well...
4- Juha can only leave his base for a period of time...maybe that's why he hadn't appeared yet, the Shinigami didn't kill him but imprisoned him somehow and only recently he managed to escape but not totally.
5- Haschwald's expressions are now understandable...he somehow, cherishes Ichigo. Maybe they are related by family, not only by Quincy race.
6-Tensa Zangetsu was cut in half...even though Ichigo was weakened, Haschwald is VERY VERY VERY powerful, that was the biggest surprise in this chapter for me.
7- The last sentence means that Juha considers Ichigo a Quincy, even if they aren't blood related. He says he is born in darkness because he is half-shinigami and has been one until now.

PREDICTIONS:
- We will get to see what happened to Urahara and the others. Ichigo will want answers from Isshin.

 

[adventnova]

What are you on about? did you not read that his body was injured before fighting Juha and still he did a better job than Yamamoto at least he was able to do some damage.

But anyway on to the chapter, I was proven right again this chapter seems Masaki was a Quincy...but are we sure that the end page isn't translated wrongly if not then maybe he wasn't talking about Ichigo.

Because Isshin is Ichigo's father they have the same type of Zanpakuto same moves same eye color even, it also explains why Isshin went into hiding.

HALSCHWALD is boss I'm calling it now he's related to Masaki.

Not to ruin your streak of predictions, you may want to reconsider Ichigo's father Isshin being his real father. im basing this by one of the Movies/OVA's even though i really shouldn't since they don't directly follow the anime/manga.

What im referring to is the movie - Bleach: The Diamond Dust Rebellion. Captain Toshiro Hitsuguya (Ice Dragon Zanpakuto) had an unrelated best friend, Sōjirō Kusaka, in which they both had the SAME EXACT Zanpakuto and sword spirit.

Some hints to the main Manga story-line may have been present in the OVA's and Movies, but most of us have been too quick and thrown them aside due to common nature of disregarding most animes, fillers/ova's/movies. most Bleach fillers fall into that. some im wondering may have hints or meanings to the storyline.

that's just my thought and opinion but i really think we should consider what happened with Toshiro as a possibility with Ichigo.

 

[adventnova]

I'm confused as to why...well everyone seems to be confused. This chapter, if translated properly, JUHA IS SAYING HE'S ICHIGO'S FATHER. Lol why is everyone confused? I get that it's natural to question such a farfetched idea but Juha is indeed saying that. Crazy as it is.

I was thinking he could also be Ichigo's father, but the way its left off and written/translated leaves it kind of open as to meaning "Son in Generic form" because he is -Half Quincy- so their blood ruins through his veins, not necessarily being directly related to one another.

 

[skgb75]

I just realized that the king of quincies or w/e looks very similar to zangetsu (old guy)

if he is indeed somehow his father/grandfather, maybe his zanpaktou took that form for a reason (pretty sure I'm completely wrong D, just find it intereseting )

ichigo is farthest from human lol, quincy blood, shinigami blood, hollowfied. what's next?

yea i saw the similarity when i 1st saw juha but i was making fun of it lol, but now it looks like it might have a correlation. Everyone sayn juha not his father because isshan has same zanpakto ect. but say juha is the real father or grandfather isshan could have probably gave ichigo some of his reitsu as a child explaining why their powers are exactly the same. But it actually makes more sense that juha is ichigo's grandfather (his moms father of course)

Not to ruin your streak of predictions, you may want to reconsider Ichigo's father Isshin being his real father. im basing this by one of the Movies/OVA's even though i really shouldn't since they don't directly follow the anime/manga.

What im referring to is the movie - Bleach: The Diamond Dust Rebellion. Captain Toshiro Hitsuguya (Ice Dragon Zanpakuto) had an unrelated best friend, Sōjirō Kusaka, in which they both had the SAME EXACT Zanpakuto and sword spirit.

Some hints to the main Manga story-line may have been present in the OVA's and Movies, but most of us have been too quick and thrown them aside due to common nature of disregarding most animes, fillers/ova's/movies. most Bleach fillers fall into that. some im wondering may have hints or meanings to the storyline.

that's just my thought and opinion but i really think we should consider what happened with Toshiro as a possibility with Ichigo.

ichigo took rukia's spiritual energy from the start, i dont see y not

 

[adventnova]

yea i saw the similarity when i 1st saw juha but i was making fun of it lol, but now it looks like it might have a correlation. Everyone sayn juha not his father because isshan has same zanpakto ect. but say juha is the real father or grandfather isshan could have probably gave ichigo some of his reitsu as a child explaining why their powers are exactly the same. But it actually makes more sense that juha is ichigo's grandfather (his moms father of course)

Isshins Zanpakuto is only similar in name and some abilities that we know of so far. The differences are 1. Their names though they sound similar. 2. Engetsu (Isshins Zanpakuto) is flame based (previously referenced, also we have no seen it out of its unreleased form) while Zangetsu (Ichigo's Zanpakuto) is pretty much dark matter/hollow energy.

This point here kind of follows where i was getting at with my other post of similar wielders of the same or similar Zanpakuto don't have to be related to inherit the same abilities.

 

[adventnova]

ichigo took rukia's spiritual energy from the start, i dont see y not

yes we saw that in the first chapter and first anime episode. Though at that point and time Ichigo already had -power- , he just absorbed hers like a Quincy would with the Spirit particle around them to create an attack. This is why Ichigo's power is uncontrollably immense, he doesnt know how to control his Quincy powers from the start, his spirit particle absorbtion ability is always left in the ON position when he is in his Shinigami/Hollow forms.

Another note, if anyone mentioned before, how when Ichigo became Mugetsu, its was very similar to Byakuya's own bankai making swords out of their own Zanpakuto/Reiatsu. It maybe possible he borrowed/absorbed a bit of everyone's energy.

My prediction is that old man Yamamoto is Ichigo's Grandfather, Isshin's father. I see this as the ultimate balance if the King of the Quincy's maybe Ichigo's grandfather as someone previously mentioned in this thread.

Ichigo still needs to conquer and merge with his inner hollow as well since he is clearly keyed to both sides of the story.

This would ultimately lead to Ichigo possibly becoming the new True Soul King.

 

[CandyHacks]

All the extremely smart will assume that Juha is Ichigo's father because of the last page. I don't think that's even possible because that would mean that either Juha or Ichigo's mother would have to be shinigami's (not possible). ANYWAYS the last lines meant that the next chapter is going to be Ichigo's mother's side of the story and how Ichigo was born.

Oh and I told you so

 

[TeamSenju]

Maybe the reason he caled him son at the end is because he may be Ichigo Mother's father, making him Ichigo grandfather.....he is very old!....thats my theory and im sticking to it!

 

[TheHokage]

Not to ruin your streak of predictions, you may want to reconsider Ichigo's father Isshin being his real father. im basing this by one of the Movies/OVA's even though i really shouldn't since they don't directly follow the anime/manga.

What im referring to is the movie - Bleach: The Diamond Dust Rebellion. Captain Toshiro Hitsuguya (Ice Dragon Zanpakuto) had an unrelated best friend, Sōjirō Kusaka, in which they both had the SAME EXACT Zanpakuto and sword spirit.

Some hints to the main Manga story-line may have been present in the OVA's and Movies, but most of us have been too quick and thrown them aside due to common nature of disregarding most animes, fillers/ova's/movies. most Bleach fillers fall into that. some im wondering may have hints or meanings to the storyline.

that's just my thought and opinion but i really think we should consider what happened with Toshiro as a possibility with Ichigo.

I understand what your saying but that was a movie not the actual Manga so it's not canon...but lets say your right how did Ichigo have his own set of Shinigami powers then? and don't say Rukia gave them to him since he lost Rukia's powers.

And the last time I checked two Quincies don't make a half Shinigami, half quincy baby.

Also I wouldn't use OVA's/Movies to base facts on since a lot of fillers have contradicted the main canon making confusing situations such as why didn't Ichigo's Zangetsu turn into Tensa Zangetsu back in the Zanpaktou filler, also in the movie you are talking about if it had any relevance to main story I'm certain Aizen would of been all over that Royal artifact.

Isshins Zanpakuto is only similar in name and some abilities that we know of so far. The differences are 1. Their names though they sound similar. 2. Engetsu (Isshins Zanpakuto) is flame based (previously referenced, also we have no seen it out of its unreleased form) while Zangetsu (Ichigo's Zanpakuto) is pretty much dark matter/hollow energy.

This point here kind of follows where i was getting at with my other post of similar wielders of the same or similar Zanpakuto don't have to be related to inherit the same abilities.

When was it shown Isshin's Zanpaktou was a fire type?

 

[adventnova]

When was it shown Isshin's Zanpaktou was a fire type?

it wasnt shown, except in wording. I cant remember where the manga timeline exactly but Isshin was telling Ichigo about his Shinigami powers. Like i mentioned you never see it, it was just mentioned.

ok i just searched like crazy. maybe i misinterpreted. i'll take fault at that, though i swear his Zanpaktoku type was of fire base. We havent seen any other fire based Zanpaktoku besides old man Captain Yamamoto.

I understand what your saying but that was a movie not the actual Manga so it's not canon...but lets say your right how did Ichigo have his own set of Shinigami powers then? and don't say Rukia gave them to him since he lost Rukia's powers.

And the last time I checked two Quincies don't make a half Shinigami, half quincy baby.

Also I wouldn't use OVA's/Movies to base facts on since a lot of fillers have contradicted the main canon making confusing situations such as why didn't Ichigo's Zangetsu turn into Tensa Zangetsu back in the Zanpaktou filler, also in the movie you are talking about if it had any relevance to main story I'm certain Aizen would of been all over that Royal artifact.

Exactly, Like i said before i wouldnt normally follow movies, ova's or fillers either. But this one im making a partial exception that this one was made to hint at the possibility that more than 1 can exist in the Bleach Universe and the users dont have to be related. Though this comes as partially contradictory to what i mentioned before about Ichigo's Zangetsu and Isshin's Engetsu.

Of course Ichigo has to be half Shinigami, and no i would never have said he acquired his Shinigami powers from Rukia. He absorbed hers fully because of the Quincy skill of Particle Absorption, which he cannot control any Quincy powers as of yet. Some are active and some arent. He was born half Shinigami and half Quincy. Isshin IS his blood father, Masaki is his Quincy mother.

In the Zanpaktou filler Ichigo sword wasnt fully affected at the time and his Bankai wasnt Matured enough to be Tensa Zangetsu. That filler was being made BEFORE Tensa Zangetsu came about.

I am speculating here, but along my backtracking, Ichigo's own powers have pretty much been -Amplified- by everyone who has loaned theirs to him, some of their traits become his, i.e. his unreleased Zanpaktou was an enlarged version of Rukia's when he borrowed all her powers, look it up that was proven as the details were nearly exact. some now speculate that his sword now looks more in comparison like Isshins now that we've seen his Zanpaktou. The lead Shinigami Captains have each given part of their strength to him, as well as Isshin, Urahara and possibly Ishida's dad?? Not sure bout the last person.

 

[TheHokage]

it wasnt shown, except in wording. I cant remember where the manga timeline exactly but Isshin was telling Ichigo about his Shinigami powers. Like i mentioned you never see it, it was just mentioned.

Can you link me to a page.

Exactly, Like i said before i wouldnt normally follow movies, ova's or fillers either. But this one im making a partial exception that this one was made to hint at the possibility that more than 1 can exist in the Bleach Universe and the users dont have to be related.

Of course Ichigo has to be half Shinigami, and no i would never have said he acquired his Shinigami powers from Rukia. He absorbed hers fully because of the Quincy skill of Particle Absorption, which he cannot control any Quincy powers as of yet. Some are active and some arent. He was born half Shinigami and half Quincy. Isshin IS his blood father, Masaki is his Quincy mother.

In the Zanpaktou filler Ichigo sword wasnt fully affected at the time and his Bankai wasnt Matured enough to be Tensa Zangetsu. That filler was being made BEFORE Tensa Zangetsu came about.

That's what my whole point was

To be honest I was just referring to the Zanpaktou's because it's something they have in common, also your wrong with the Rukia thing, if you want to use movie references Ichigo transferred powers to Rukia so she could be released from those hollow twins, it had nothing to do with his Quincy powers, also I'm not sure if it was mentioned but was it explained how Ginjo became a substitute shinigami? if not then how does that explain him, the transferring of Shinigami powers has nothing to do with being a Quincies as it is a highly illegal move for Shinigami's, so it wouldn't only work because Ichigo is was part Quincy.

Anyway I've got what I wanted seems you agree with me that Isshin is Ichigo's real father.

 

[x2delirious]

I have a weird feeling Haschwald is Ichigo's brother/Masaki's other son