That means nothing. Naruto's stats were lower than neji, he beat him. Kabuto' stats are lower than Tsunade's and he wiped the floor with her. So you are basically ignoring everything everyone here posted with proper manga scans and going by the stats? It is. because a lot of things come into actual battle scenario.
Amatersu is instant. There are several instances to prove this:
- Sasuke's fight against hachibi. As soon as he opened his eye, Hachibi was in flames.
- Raikage didn't dodge it with his raw speed, he used body flicker to aviod it, and barely managed it so with only a couple of centimeters.
What does this prove? Sasuke is running and Itachi's eyes are following him. Amaterasu is burning everying he sees. Itachi continued using it till Sasuke was caught.
In Sasuke vs Bee fight, Sasuke just opened his eyes and next thing I know is 8 tails burning. Raikage, the fastest shinobi alive, countered it with shushin. Sasuke didnt stop using it.
Not an option? Why? Itachi cant use his most powerful technique because that is convenient? Kakashi has knowledge of Sasuke's Sussano'o. What about Totsuka sword and Yata mirror? How can Kakashi counter this massive legendary sword? And why are you saying it continuously drains chakra when he only needs is a slash with this particular sword?
Itachi needs to stab Kakashi with Totsuka, otherwise it'll do nothing. And here we go again, even if Kakashi doesn't have knowledge of Totsuka, he DOES have knowledge of Susanoo in general. As soon as Itachi activates it, Kakashi will drastically increase the distance, especially because he'll see Itachi's Susanoo is equiped with the sword instead of Sasuke's bow. Totsuka at long range isn't really efficient and all this time Itachi tries to reach Kakashi with Totsuka, his chakra is being depleted fast.
I disagree again. The most powerful technique is Sussano'o, along with these two magical items.
Amaterasu is instant. Kamui cant absorb it. Kamui cant absorb one item each time. Amaterasu ignites everything the user is seeing. If Itachi continues using it, Kakashi will be corpse. Kamui has not duration. It is instant.
I already gave a scan proving Amaterasu does not reach the target instantly. Look a few posts up.
Already replied to these points. Kamui has risks. It has no duration. Cant be spammed cause it leaves Kakashi invulnerable. It absorb only items with (at most) moderate size. You describe Kamui. So what? You are speaking generally about it. I specifically claim that it cant absorb the whole Totsuka sword.
Itachi needs to stab Kakashi with Totsuka, otherwise it'll do nothing. And here we go again, even if Kakashi doesn't have knowledge of Totsuka, he DOES have knowledge of Susanoo in general. As soon as Itachi activates it, Kakashi will drastically increase the distance, especially because he'll see Itachi's Susanoo is equiped with the sword instead of Sasuke's bow. Totsuka at long range isn't really efficient and all this time Itachi tries to reach Kakashi with Totsuka, his chakra is being depleted fast.
"General" knowledge doesnt help. He has only seen Sasuke's version. These items are unique. And Totsuka's range is vast. Sussano is enormous itself, yet the sword is long enough to land an attack within a wide area. Kakashi will not be fast enough to outrun it. And you consider Itachi a fool to waste his chakra in vain?
The page you posted doesnt prove anything. Already answered. Itachi's sealing speed is unbelievable. Is Kamui instant or not? Yes it is. Has Amaterasu duration or not? Yes it has. It burns whatever the user wants as long as he has his eye open. Then how Kamui can absorb ALL the flames?
Hοw can he avoid the totsuka sword? The sword is massive.
How will he avoid Tsukoyomi? How will he avoid Itachi's genjutsu? Itachi can cast it with a finger. Kakashi has to worry avoiding looking directly to his eyes and reading his genjutsu with sharingan. Thats too many worries for Kakashi in my book.
Well, it takes time, just like Kamui, since user has to gather enough enough chakra to execute it. Later he have to focus his eyesight on target and technique appears there. A was just too fast, Sasuke couldnt follow him with his eyes.
"General" knowledge doesnt help. He has only seen Sasuke's version. These items are unique. And Totsuka's range is vast. Sussano is enormous itself, yet the sword is long enough to land an attack within a wide area. Kakashi will not be fast enough to outrun it. And you consider Itachi a fool to waste his chakra in vain?
Lol, I'm not considering Itachi a fool to waste chakra. That's exactly why Itachi wouldn't use Susanoo in the first place.
If Totsuka's range and everything is so great, why didn't Itachi use Totsuka against Nagato FROM THE BEGINNING? Nagato was obviously an easier target than Kakashi would be, since he couldn't even move really. Instead, he managed to stab him only later and if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee, he would be destroyed before he could manage that (though he would regenerate his edo body, that's a different topic).
The page you posted doesnt prove anything. Already answered. Itachi's sealing speed is unbelievable.
What does sealing speed have to do with Amaterasu?
How will he avoid Tsukoyomi? How will he avoid Itachi's genjutsu? Itachi can cast it with a finger. Kakashi has to worry avoiding looking directly to his eyes and reading his genjutsu with sharingan. Thats too many worries for Kakashi in my book.
His finger genjutsu everyone is so amazed with only ever managed to catch early Shippuuden Naruto in it. There's zero proof someone as experienced and intelligent as Kakashi would fall for it as well. Or do you want me to say that Kakashi could catch Itachi in the genjutsu he used against Sakura on the beginning of part I?
And I already stated how to avoid Tsukyomi - avoid eye contact (problematic, yes, but not impossible) and increase distance.
You also misunderstand the manga in one part of your post. Danzo blocked the Susanoo arrow his first time seeing it with the Mokuton:
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If you go backwards in that manga you see nothing but Sasuke in Danzo's seal and then the full Susanoo uproaring. Now after Danzo seen the Susanoo Arrow the first time saying a line very similar to what Kakashi said his first time if you look at the manga page again that I posted. "There is no time." Danzo had fully understood the speed of the Susanoo arrow and you see in the fight Danzo is hit with the Susanoo Arrow.
You haven't understood what i was saying. I do know Danzo countered it with a Mokuton technique. It's what i've said, but what i'm saying is that he was surprised by the speed. The fact he says "there is no time for seals" proves that. Notice that using the Mokuton technique, he wasn't even sure to survive. That's why he said "did i made it?" or something like that. It was too fast that he only did what he could in order to hope to survive. But after that, now knowing Sasuke will target him again with that fast arrows because Karin was able to see through him, he directly used handseals for Izanagi to protect himself. You say after that "Danzo got pierced by arrows even knowing their speed", but you forget that he was under Izanagi, already protected by the jutsu, he had no need to worry about how dodging the arrows. In the contrary, all what he was worrying about was to take the opportunity while he is untouchable thanks to Izanagi to actually find his way through Susanoo and finish Sasuke
I'm not underestimating the speed of arrows, and i'm not saying Kakashi has the speed to dodge it while it's launched. What i'm saying is that he has the speed to dodge or protect himself before they are launched like Danzo did with the handseals of Izanagi for example. Like i've said what you greatly forget concerning arrows is that after launching arrows, Sasuke needs sometime to rest. On the pic you posted you can even notice that Sasuke was struggling and coughing up blood. Those are risks you are forgetting greatly
What Preparations do you see Kakashi setting up to be ready for the speed of this attack?
Already prepared, he can use the doton wall which takes practically no handseals:
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Danzo in comparison managed to use 3 or 4handseals even before Sasuke think about using the arrows:
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And i think that Danzo is even slower in handseals than Kakashi, sometimes you don't even see his handseals
He can also hide underground directly what again takes practically no handseals(we don't even see the handseal against Itachis katon):
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He can also use the kage bunshin technique which only takes one handseal in order to cover himself and find an opening
He can also attack himself, what you also forget because you seems to think that only Sasuke can attack and Kakashi will only be there defending himself. With suiton techniques for example, we have seen that Sasuke even inside Susanoo had difficulties to handle:
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And Kakashi has shown powerful suiton techniques especially if they fight in a place where there is water like they were even fighting:
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He can also actually aim with kamui, a technique against that even Sasuke is probably defenseless. Furthermore, if he even combines it with a kage bunshin to feint Sasuke while hiding underground safely, it can quickly become a deadly combo
Yeah I agree to some extent being a seriously Kakashi fan and after that Itachi's fan...
Itachi CAN hold his ground pretty much but it would be close, I mean either side's mistake will turn the battle...
About Sasuke, unless he unleashes new powers from EMS, everything Sasuke has won't save him from Kakashi...
Well, it takes time, just like Kamui, since user has to gather enough enough chakra to execute it. Later he have to focus his eyesight on target and technique appears there. A was just too fast, Sasuke couldnt follow him with his eyes.
Nope. Obito has much better reflexes and perception than Raikage due to him having a Sharingan. Raikage, without a Sharingan, noticed incoming Amaterasu flame.
Obito, with a Sharingan, didn't notice Kamui in front of him.
Hence Kamui>Amaterasu in terms of speed. Kamui is instant, Amaterasu is not.
Obito could not avoid it, because he was not fast enough. It doesn't mean he didn't notice it coming. His Kamui also works differently than Kakashi's, it cannot be used long range and it is slower than Kakashi's version, so he couldn't warp it.
If Kakashi were put in place of Obito in this situation, he could warp the incoming Amaterasu flame.
Just for the sake of it, Kakashi's Kamui was not instant in the past, when he just started using it. Now we have evidence that Kamui of human body size is absolutely instant. From what we could see with the Gedo Mazo, if Kakashi wants to warp bigger/denser/heavier objects, he needs to put more chakra and Kamui's speed also decreases.
But for warping Amaterasu's flame, which is definitely not bigger than human body, Kamui will be instant.
You can see him moving and creating after images of himself. Then here:
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When Amaterasu has just barely dodge it by mere centimeters. That's manga fact right there. Yeah, joke indeed. And cool it dude. If you make a thread be prepared to take a bit of arguments. It seems to be as if you are about to throw in a fit or something. Calm down.
Now when I look at it closely, yeah, you might be right about it being a body flicker but I'm not 100% convinced about that, either.
Still, the point I made is valid. Raikage without Sharingan's perception noticed incoming Amaterasu. Obito, with Sharingan, didn't notice Kamui in front of him.
Kakashi's perception is better than Raikage's thanks to Sharingan. Considering the fact that Kamui is instant, it can warp Ama flame.
Because anime is non-canon and manga shows events panel by panel and not continuously, it's possible that Amaterasu's "way of travel" was just omitted between the panels.
The fact that some other panels show Amaterasu moving is a proof of this. Unless you want to say that sometimes Amaterasu is instant and sometimes is not.
