Why are Uchiha fans so Naive?

[Conan Uchiha]

OK as many people speak of facts:

Uchiha = Senju Fact (and confirmed) There is no doubt about it.

The rest can be argue cause time is a vital key in the argument and Naruto and Minato don't represent Senju.
Kishi has to explain how Senjus can challange the Uchiha though

 

[Dantee]

Minato isn't a senju and neither is Naruto. Fail thread.

Madara>every senju ever lived
Obito greater than every senju
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Sasuke greater than whole senju clan minus Hashi
Itachi the same
Shisui the same

Every senju we've seen is fodder. Tsunade sucks. Tobirama died to unknown ninja.
Senwhos suck stop dickriding.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

true U_U
Naruto always is/was/will be > sasuke

In the beginning it was Sasuke>Naruto, now currently it's Naruto>Sasuke but in the end it will be Naruto=Sasuke. Naruto wants to be Sasuke's equal and strived to be it; he doesn't want to overpower him *rolls eyes*

I don't understand why there has to be always a thread about Senju>Uchiha. Why? Because the Uchiha lost a few fights? It's not like the Uchihas whine about that - Madara even showed he has respect for Hashirama.
As far as I know Minata isn't a Senju and Naruto is related to it.

 

[sulanis]

but, you did, just by posting, right?

Anyways I believe that the Senju broke off into opposite clans and created new names for example: Namikaze, hataki, etc. etc. (THIS is just speculation, i don't know if that's true or not)

 

[natssuu]

but, you did, just by posting, right?

Anyways I believe that the Senju broke off into opposite clans and created new names for example: Namikaze, hataki, etc. etc. (THIS is just speculation, i don't know if that's true or not)

Quite far-fetched theory ö_ö

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

well i wouldn't call all the uchiha fans naive, but senju wins against uchiha because thats the story
senju = the good
uchiha = the bad
and we know that good will always win (in this story) but of course there are exceptions on both sides like itachi who was a good uchiha and danzo who was a bad senju

 

[Conan Uchiha]

Quite far-fetched theory ö_ö

I don't think so nether cause if it true then the other clans would be distant relatives from senjus but the only clan with that title is currently the uzumakis. I agree that the other clans from konoha are influenced by senju and could not survived without the village help. I think the senjus where more open and less arrogant then the other clans cause Tsunade doesn't run around with her clan flag on her clothes and she hardly speaks of her clan. They might be some senjus around konoha but I think that they adopted the village as their clan.

 

[Conan Uchiha]

well i wouldn't call all the uchiha fans naive, but senju wins against uchiha because thats the story
senju = the good
uchiha = the bad
and we know that good will always win (in this story) but of course there are exceptions on both sides like itachi who was a good uchiha and danzo who was a bad senju

danzo is not a senju

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

danzo is not a senju

yes he was, he used izanagi

 

[Sasunarufan13]

yes he was, he used izanagi

That doesn't mean he's a Senju. To make full use of it, one has to be a descendant of the SO6P and need a Sharingan. He implanted the Sharingan but to make fully use of the technique, he let some of Hashirama's DNA be transplanted into his arm. This doesn't make him a Senju. Plus thanks to the fact that he isn't an Uchiha, his chakra levels dropped as well every time he used a new Sharingan for the technique.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

That doesn't mean he's a Senju. To make full use of it, one has to be a descendant of the SO6P and need a Sharingan. He implanted the Sharingan but to make fully use of the technique, he let some of Hashirama's DNA be transplanted into his arm. This doesn't make him a Senju. Plus thanks to the fact that he isn't an Uchiha, his chakra levels dropped as well every time he used a new Sharingan for the technique.

hashirama's genes were used so danzo's hand can stand the power of 10 sharingans (too much power that need strong cells like hashirama's), but a sharingan and senju dna is required to preform izanagi (danzo is already a senju with senju DNA), the people in control of konoha are senju (like danzo) .... look what i said up

 

[Sasunarufan13]

hashirama's genes were used so danzo's hand can stand the power of 10 sharingans (too much power that need strong cells like hashirama's), but a sharingan and senju dna is required to preform izanagi (danzo is already a senju with senju DNA), the people in control of konoha are senju (like danzo) .... look what i said up

I looked it up. And his wiki states clearly that while he had the Sharingans, he couldn't use the technique properly except when he injected some of Hashirama's DNA in his arm. If he already was a Senju, he wouldn't have needed to inject Hashirama's DNA in his arm.
Because he did need the DNA of Hashirama, I conclude he wasn't a Senju. Ohterwise, why would he need Hashirama's DNA?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I looked it up. And his wiki states clearly that while he had the Sharingans, he couldn't use the technique properly except when he injected some of Hashirama's DNA in his arm. If he already was a Senju, he wouldn't have needed to inject Hashirama's DNA in his arm.
Because he did need the DNA of Hashirama, I conclude he wasn't a Senju. Ohterwise, why would he need Hashirama's DNA?

yep he does need hashirama's DNA so his arm can stand the power of 10 sharingans and to have more control of them, check out the manga/anime for more details about this, danzo was indeed a senju but again HE NEEDED HASHIRAMA'S STRONG CELLS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY 10 SHARINGANS

 

[Sasunarufan13]

yep he does need hashirama's DNA so his hand can stand the power of 10 sharingans and to have more control of them, check out the manga/anime for more details about this, danzo was indeed a senju again he needed HASHIRAMA'S STRONG CELLS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY 10 SHARINGANS

Can you please give me the page then where it states that Danzo was a Senju? Because I can't remember reading that.

 

[natssuu]

I looked it up. And his wiki states clearly that while he had the Sharingans, he couldn't use the technique properly except when he injected some of Hashirama's DNA in his arm. If he already was a Senju, he wouldn't have needed to inject Hashirama's DNA in his arm.
Because he did need the DNA of Hashirama, I conclude he wasn't a Senju. Ohterwise, why would he need Hashirama's DNA?

Even if Danzo was a Senju (he's certainly not), there would still be a reason to implant Hashirama's cells, because it was said to make Izanagi last longer. (1min per one sharingan)

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Even if Danzo was a Senju (he's certainly not), there would still be a reason to implant Hashirama's cells, because it was said to make Izanagi last longer. (1min per one sharingan)

Yeah, I read that it made the Izanagi last longer. I was just trying to find out whether he was a Senju, but clearly he isn't. That's why I got a bit confused.
But yeah, you're right, the cells of Hashirama made sure his Izanagi lasted longer

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Can you please give me the page then where it states that Danzo was a Senju? Because I can't remember reading that.

well ... i can't lol xd, its what you conclude from reading all what happened but it was stated that danzo needed hashirama's cells just to be able to carry 10 sharingans, other than that danzo and the people who are in controle of konoha specially old ones like him are senju. its the story remember senju ruled konoha and the uchiha where a small part of the place, plus the requirements of izanagi are a sharingan and senju DNA, and since we know that danzo needes hashi's cells just so his arm can stand 10 sharingans then that means that he already had senju DNA, you get what i mean ?? hashi's cells enhanced izanagi and allowed danzo to carry 10 sharingans thats all

 

[Sasunarufan13]

well ... i can't lol xd, its what you conclude from reading all what happened but it was stated that danzo needed hashirama's cells just to be able to carry 10 sharingans, other than that danzo and the people who are in controle of konoha specially old ones like him are senju. its the story remember senju ruled konoha and the uchiha where a small part of the place, plus the requirements of izanagi are a sharingan and senju DNA, and since we know that danzo needes hashi's cells just so his arm can stand 10 sharingans then that means that he already had senju DNA, you get what i mean ??

According to another member, he isn't a Senju which what I was trying to discover. He does indeed need Hashirama's cells to make Izanagi last longer but nowhere that I searched states that he was a Senju to begin with.
He needed Hashirama's cells to make the Izanagi last longer, but even though I did some research, nowhere it is stated that he was a Senju to begin with.
I don't think you have to be a Senju per se to be one of the leaders in the village. I could be wrong of course

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

According to another member, he isn't a Senju which what I was trying to discover. He does indeed need Hashirama's cells to make Izanagi last longer but nowhere that I searched states that he was a Senju to begin with.
He needed Hashirama's cells to make the Izanagi last longer, but even though I did some research, nowhere it is stated that he was a Senju to begin with.
I don't think you have to be a Senju per se to be one of the leaders in the village. I could be wrong of course

well ... like i said its what you conclude after reading it all, and he also wasn't stated to be anything, but when you add every thing up the chances of him being a senju are more than anything else .... it was said that hashi's cells enhance izanagi and needed to carry all these sharingans but was never said that danzo needed it TO PREFORM IZANAGI thats why i think he was already a senju (izanagi requirements: senju DNA and a sharingan) witch could mean that he already had the requirements to preform izanagi (with one sharingan) but needed a way to boost it like using it 10 times and making it last longer, anyways its cool

 

[Sasunarufan13]

well ... like i said its what you conclude after reading it all, and he also wasn't stated to be anything, but when you add every thing up the chances of him being a senju are more than anything else .... it was said that hashi's cells enhance izanagi and needed to carry all these sharingans but was never said that danzo needed it TO PREFORM IZANAGI thats why i think he was already a senju (izanagi requirements: senju DNA and a sharingan) witch could mean that he already had the requirements to preform izanagi (with one sharingan) but needed a way to boost it like using it 10 times and making it last longer, anyways its cool

I took this from the Narutopedia: "Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. In exchange for the brief control of reality that it allows them, the Sharingan with which Izanagi is cast becomes blind. For this reason the Uchiha labelled it a kinjutsu. Danzō Shimura, in an effort to make practical use of the technique, had ten Sharingan embedded into his right arm.

To make full use of Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage. Partially for this reason Danzō had some of Hashirama Senju's DNA transplanted into his arm, which extended the lifespan of each Sharingan's Izanagi to a minute, allowing him to use the technique for up to ten minutes in total, with breaks in between as he deemed necessary. However, because Danzō is not an Uchiha, his chakra levels drop substantially every time a new Sharingan is used to activate the technique. Obito also makes use of Hashirama's DNA but, in contrast to Danzō, he claims to have gained control over Hashirama's DNA and as such, boasts the completed form of Izanagi."

It only says he needed the Hashirama cells to prolong the use of Izanagi. I assume from the bolded part that he didn't have Senju DNA and that's why he let the cells of Hashirama be injected in his arm. Of course Hashirama's cells prolonged the use of Izanagi, but if he had Senju DNA, wouldn't that have been mentioned as well? I mean he would have been able to use Izanagi then, only without the prolonged use that Hashirama's cells provided him.

Anyway as long as it isn't explicitly stated that Danzo was a Senju, I just assume he wasn't ^^;