The Mystery of Hashirama vs. Madara

[Tobitime]

I think that most people have been wondering what exactly went down between hashi and madara during their last fight. Even though Madara didnt have mokuton or rinnegan during the fight, considering he also had Kurama, he should have roflstomped hashi. Imo their is no way hashi could deal with ms abilities while simultaneously dealing with the most powerful tailed beast. I mean, how could he restrain a tailed beast while dodging amaterasu/susanoo?

To illustrate how ridiculous it is that hashi beat madara, imagine that it had been nagato and kurama vs. hashi. Most people would agree that nagato is around EMS Madara's level, but could you imagine hashirama taking nagato and kurama? It wouldn't be much of a battle.

Either hashi has some insane, unknown jutsus up his sleeve, ems madara is much weaker than we thought (no ps) or there is some big secret that has yet to be revealed.

 

[zesto]

I think that most people have been wondering what exactly went down between hashi and madara during their last fight. Even though Madara didnt have mokuton or rinnegan during the fight, considering he also had Kurama, he should have roflstomped hashi. Imo their is no way hashi could deal with ms abilities while simultaneously dealing with the most powerful tailed beast. I mean, how could he restrain a tailed beast while dodging amaterasu/susanoo?

To illustrate how ridiculous it is that hashi beat madara, imagine that it had been nagato and kurama vs. hashi. Most people would agree that nagato is around EMS Madara's level if not a little weaker, but could you imagine hashirama taking nagato and kurama? It wouldn't be much of a battle.

Either hashi has some insane, unknown jutsus up his sleeve, ems madara is much weaker than we thought (no ps) or there is some big secret that has yet to be revealed.

yea but your forgetting that the makuton binds chackra only summoning jutsu can a user use to break free.

my guess is that what makes him loose to hasi, hasi bind the nine tails chackra along with his.

 

[Prefontaine]

For starters, Nagato is greater than EMS Madara and its been shown that wood release subdues tailed beast transformations. They are both on level heading imo.

 

[Sir Blades]

mokuton has a special binding with the nine tails.

 

[xMinatoKushinaNarutox]

this remains a mystery until we see a flashback of the fight

 

[Tobitime]

So you are saying that kurama was virtually a non-factor in the fight? It wouldnt have been that easy.

 

[Sierra G719]

A question. Should we believe NUNSG's little Hashi v Madara cutscene? Or is it not canon until we see it in Manga?

 

[Abon]

i do agree that everyttime i picture harshirama fighting kurama and dealing with the amaterasu/susanoo . doesnt seem at all possible. iReally do think a Cameo is needed .

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

In an OVA on Generations it's shown that Madara only had Kurama for the beginning of the fight, so for about 15-30 minutes. The rest is unknown but I do believe either Hashirama has some OP bs up his sleeve or he won through chakra loss and Madara just giving up.

 

[Traffy]

Well, according to the VIZ translation, Mito was at the battle and she "lend strength to Lord Hashirama":

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[Tobitime]

Its definintely not cannon unless it is written by kishi himself and
Nice find Itssupereffective +rep

 

[TheSages456]

there is no mystery about the fight. madara lost in a fair 1 on 1 fight at full power. he straight up lost. people just say that something is up with the fight to downgrade hashirama.

 

[Lrrrrr]

People only see Madara really strong now because he's been pimped out by Kabuto. If he didn't have all those power ups, dont think he'd be that strong.

 

[Tobitime]

If madara did have PS back in the day then he would still be crazy op
one thing that is undeniably strange is how did hashi not realize madara was still alive?

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

People only see Madara really strong now because he's been pimped out by Kabuto. If he didn't have all those power ups, dont think he'd be that strong.

Madara isn't really "pimped out" by Kabuto as just a little enhanced to what he is now. Madara even stated himself that Kabuto didn't create that power. What I think when Kabuto meant that he was completed beyond his prime is that Madara could use small scale moukuton techniques instead of how he uses them now.

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

If madara did have PS back in the day then he would still be crazy op
one thing that is undeniably strange is how did hashi not realize madara was still alive?

Indeed, strange, indeed.

 

[Prime Rib]

his wood release he could be able to fight madara and be able to tame kurama

 

[HiddenWarrior]

So you are saying that kurama was virtually a non-factor in the fight? It wouldnt have been that easy.

Hashirama was said to have controlled multiple bijuu at one time (which could be anywhere from 2 to all 9) and considering the fact that he distributed them among the shinobi world it had to be at least 5.

People only see Madara really strong now because he's been pimped out by Kabuto. If he didn't have all those power ups, dont think he'd be that strong.

What power ups did he recieve from Kabuto besides youth?

 

[BlkMagk]

Its still beyond me how Hashirama beat Madara.... How TF do u just beat Madara?? Hashirama must've been a powerful mofo...

 

[Lrrrrr]

What power ups did he recieve from Kabuto besides youth?

Well for one, immortality. In addition to being immortal, he also made him beyond his prime, which would make him alot more stronger then he was really said to be. Don't get me wrong, Madara is strong, I just believe that Kabuto made him more stronger then what he would really be, and that's why people can't really take in the fact that Hashi beat him. He didn't have rinnegan at the time, nor unlimited chakra, nor was he immortal, so that's a big upgrade.

Madara isn't really "pimped out" by Kabuto as just a little enhanced to what he is now. Madara even stated himself that Kabuto didn't create that power. What I think when Kabuto meant that he was completed beyond his prime is that Madara could use small scale moukuton techniques instead of how he uses them now.

Well he is immortal, plus unlimited chakra, what's more pimped out then that xd