soooooo the rinnegan jutsu didnt bring the ppl of konoha back to life who died fighting painThe rinnegan doesn't bring the dead back to life it allows you to control the dead bodies, likean advanced version of the puppetmaster jutsu, due to the fact tht the bodies can't actually think on their own unlike edo tensei without putting in the mindcontrol thing.
That makes no sense, Pain tried to undo the harm he made to Naruto, if he could save Jiraya he would have waited and done it, he wouldn't die in vain, and Jiraya were both their sensei, if it was possible with rinne tensei he would have done it.This isn't true. Nagato could only bring back the people he killed in Konoha because he was low on chakara and that's all he could manage within that range. He killed himself by doing so. If Jiraya weren't so far away and at the bottom of the ocean, then Nagato could have brought him back too.
The only thing which would stop someone from being revived is if they were sealed, out of the techniques range, or if there wasn't enough chakara to do the technique.
Why doesn't this have any replies!!?? This post/theory is great. So full of awesome. +REPFirst and for most - I was just as surprised as every one else with a theory of Tobi absent of Obito.
That said, as soon as I read the revealing manga - 599 - a few things came to my mind.
† How did Obito age to the point where he could say to Kushina in 501, “Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”
† Where did he get all that Hashirama DNA?
Just by asking those two questions the riddle seemed to lay it’s self down before me.
Orochimaru
He has just come back in to the manga as a player among players. He’s pulled every string imaginable. Every dirty trick. Learned every Jutsu needed, and more, to get what he wants. A Sharingan - along with all the perks, bells and whistles that an Uchiha body comes with. Enter Obito. A young Uchiha boy with a dream fallen in to tragic circumstances.
Now given the latest 600 issue it’s hard to say weather there was influence by Orochimaru & Madara or just Madara - but my instinct is that it’s both.
In this new chapter Obito clearly states that his MS was awakened by the death of Rin. How can I say that? Because that’s how I believe he was saved ... by slipping through the rock which fell and crushed his body. Think X-Men, teenaged mutant has latent power - this power manifests it’s self through stress and duress. Same with the Sharingan. The MS just has the precondition of the death of a close friend. All of the things which happened to him were just the right conditions needed for Obito to awaken and unconsciously use the ‘slipping’ Time/Space ability of his MS.
At this same time that MS was activated for Kakshi - but we have to remember that Kakashi is not an Uchiha and has no where near the kind of body needed to handle using the Sharingan. That’s why he started using it much later on in his life.
Now, this means that the MS awakening obviously happened soon after Obito was left in the cave-in ... how long was he was alive for? That’s hard to say, but it’s a theory.
I personally think it makes sense for Obito to have met Orochimaru in the same dimension he warps himself in to seeing as Obito’s dimension and Orochimaru’s ‘inner’ dimension look almost identical. However that again is still speculation. Though it would then make sense that Obito would meet Madara through Orochimaru.
Add a Zetsu in to the mix and you have the makings of the masked Tobi we’ve been staring at for the last 318 issues.
So back to Time/Space Ninjutsu - these two possibilities are what I have arrived at about Obito being so old when he faced off against Minato:
† Obito had a growth spurt. Or ...
† Obito’s parallel dimension is exactly like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber from DBZ.
I mean come on, think about it, we all know how much Kishimoto loves to parody DBZ. So this is how I think it would work - basically all of the Time/Space Ninjutsu in the Naruto-Universe use the same parallel dimension [PD]. It’s just that the different T/S Jutsu - plural - work to varying degrees. For instance - Minato travels through the PD when he preformed the FTG and in this way ‘folded space.’ Obito on the other hand travels directly in to the DP with his ‘Migration.’
Lastly to all you haters out there - keep reading the manga, you may just be surprised.
5/5 Got nothing but love for you Kishi! Yes Homo.
What do you think about this one? No replies either...Why doesn't this have any replies!!?? This post/theory is great. So full of awesome. +REP
Pretty good chapter, like most of people, didn't like the flashbacks, nothing new...
One thing I was thinking and I think it will be awesome if it happens and I would like your opinion in this matter.
We still don't know the full history of Rin, and I hope we find out soon, but I think it's possible that Madara was the one who killed her/caused her death and manipulated Obito to join forces with him.
And if this is true, it will be fun to see how would he react when he knows the truth, and here is where Orochimaru enters, maybe he has the poof that Madara killed Rin or caused her death, and he is gathering that information with Sasuke to show to Obito and it can make a huge turn on the manga's history, wich would be interesting.
Maybe Obito could turn on Madara and tries to kill him, because to me, if the 5 kages can't kill Madara, Naruto can't kill Madara and Obito, something has to change, and I think that Obito is the key, but what do you think?
I think it's an interesting theory and possible, give me your opinions on the future please.
Cheers everyone!
Has anybody noticed all those haters who continue to have something bad to say. How many times do we hear people say, "I give up on Naruto." "Im not gonna read it anymore" "I can't believe it's Obito!" "i have a feeling Kishi is going to skip the action and go back to Sasuke."
All of you continue to be wrong and those of you who say you're going to stop reading, please stop. If you continue to put 3 or less on the ratings, then stop reading and quit bitching because those of us who love Naruto and are excited to see how everything is going to come together and end, would much rather talk about the positives then hear all of you continue to bitch and nags like lil girls!
That being said, WTF happened to the Kages?! Maybe it's a clone. I mean whoever tobi was going to be, obviously talked with Madara before since Madara expected to be resurrected. Its just getting crazy and i dont think Guy or Kakashi have enough chakra to keep up anymore.
yeah it always happened, that's where the scenario goes in naruto movies or even in the other movies to add climax at the final scene. Nbase have some :ice:Epic one....I think Naruto's friends will arrive in next chapter...How many of you agree?
Also remember that madara was the first person to get rinnegan so he gave those eyes to the boy nagato most likely. He probably had the ninja attack nagatos fam just to awaken the eyes in him. Using the zetsu cells he lived really long and probably used the last of his life strength to save obito then he died and was found by kabuto who resurrected himwhile i agree that the recent development in the manga is kinda retarded,
i don't think there is a plot hole, because we did know that obito pretend to be madara before the real madara actually come out,
now obito stated that he was the one who encourage yahiko to create akatsuki and gave nagato the rinnegan but he said all that when he claim himself as madara right ?
we can easily assume that what he's talking about is true knowing that madara is alive to the point of nagato childhood right ?
so that's mean obito stated the truth as madara spokesmen,
it doesn't mean that obito use some kind of time travel method via the boulder and get back to the past, madara simply save his ass and brain washed the brat and turn him into the man that we know now,
to put it simply, tobi/obito knowledge coming from madara knowledge its just that simpleU_U
The 4th was young when he became hokage so the mountain thing is not a mistake. And he is still in edo just not under anyone control he is like a living dead guy... ImmortalWait a minute, Didnt Madara break the Edo Tensei? Why does he have the all those lines in his body then? Mistake? Or maybe theyappeared because he excerted himself when flying to where Tobi is? I say flying cause he just landed there. I think Kishi is just half assing it right now. Maybe its not in him anymore and he wants to dedicate time to his family? I mean, look at episode 599, the 4th hokage's face is in the mountain, Madara in 600 has Edo Tensei contract again, etc. I don't think there are plotholes as much as unexplained part of the story, but come on, 10 pages of kakashi gaiden flashback? Seriously? Why not explain how obito survived AND THEN Madara could have arrived.
That why you are a Kishi Balls Boy cheerleading Drone Sheep and for now on nobody should ever reply to your text, because you don't care about using your brain and having your own opinion and theories, but seem to be about being bias for Kishi because it sound like you'r more in love with Kishi than a good story or plot line. Also is carrying Kishi balls and bat hard to do all day everyday or do you just lay down now and than and play with them in your mouth.I just noticed that there isn't a giant plot hole as far as Nagato/Pain and Kakashi/Obito's ages. They should be relatively the same age because look how old Jiraya was when he first met Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko. However as far as Madara meeting Obito is questionable but I know Kishi will patch that up. Furthermore, losing the love of your life is a legit reason to say f*** the world. Naruto is trying to save the world by stopping his best friend from destroying it. I think that most people just read the manga in order to complain. I LOVE NARUTO!!! I don't care if the plot drags or skips, it has always been a wonderful story. One that I admire most.