Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some
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My theory on how Tobi can be Obito is that Uchiha Madara was able to copy Mu's splitting technique and when he lost to Hashirama he split and since he unsealed the Rinnegan he is able to do what Pain did and use dead bodies to fight for him but since he is only half the Madara he can only create one.
Another theory I had is Obito is Madara, after losing to Hashirama he used Izanagi to bring himself back as a boy.
What do you guys think?
Another theory I had is Obito is Madara, after losing to Hashirama he used Izanagi to bring himself back as a boy.
What do you guys think?
The person fighting Minato was the same as in the current story. He has his unique space time techniques and also his arms are replaced with Zetsu mass like it was at the time when he fought Minato. There are really much plot holes here. When fighting Minato, Obito didn't make the impression to be acquainted with Minato like a pupil should be with his Sensei. Further Kisame recognized Tobi to be the one who controlled the Mizukage back then when seeing his face. It was most likely the same person.
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I don't know if my theory is right yet but every word I said in this thread was so right:
Yep this is another Tobi is Obito thread but it may just be the best one you have ever read and might even make you reconsider your previous thoughts..
My Theory
Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right side of his body half crushed. Right after this he encountered Zetsu who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him.
I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells, and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and shit.”
And later infused this body with obito who he found because he needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage into combat.
Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an uzumaki child (nagato) or it could of been madara him self. So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime.
But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.
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Now before you question my theory or flame me read the whole thread !!!!!!
First of all let's start with the BASICS, tobi is basically Obito with a missing O this is probably one of the first links people spotted but is very true. Even if you say tobi backwards out loud it is actually “bi to” and if you spell tobi together multiple times without spaces you get this tobitobitobitobi SMALL, IRRELEVANT but ture links but as I said this is just the BASICS. Now this same small link was the same with naruto and nagato and look at the big link with them, both uzumaki, Both jiraya's students..
the list of links goes on
In the naruto series Kishi makes a lot of links between characters, names and much more which are all connected... don't want to go into details withall the links with names this thread would be too long..
Second link hair well as we all know obito's hair and tobi's CURRENT hair are very similar
But in the past tobi has been seen with longer hair, but obito could of left his hair to grow for whatever reason and then cut it back to how it was originally.
Also the first tobi we ever ever! saw was the one who went up against the 4th and this tobi had short hair. So this supports he let his hair grow again to maybe change is appearance or for whatever reason.
Tobi is a character who changes his appearance the most in Naruto with frequent mask changes
You saying tobi is not obito because he once had long hair is just like saying the mask man who talked to kisamae is not tobi because he has a different mask
Tobi's sharingan powers is similar to kakashi's it was stated that each sharingan user has unique power, kakashi can warp objects that he focuses his eyes on into different dimensions
Tobi can warp anything he touches into different dimensions.. as well as himself to different dimensions and other locations.
Kakashi sharingan IS Obito's eye and kakashi is not a full uchiha so it’s obvious that he would not be able to use it to its full ability. It is also obvious that obito would have this sort space/time powers if he survived, which tobi clearly does.
People also say well it’s not obito because tobi has 2 sharingan which was revealed with his fight against konan well..
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Tobi has shown great skill in transplanting eyes as he gave sasuke itachi's eyes and also he implanted the rinnegan in he’s left eye. So yhhh that kills that argument doesn't it..
Another argument is tobi is too strong to be obito he couldn't of got that strong in that time space to fight the 4th and so on, well if obito did survive we don't know what happened to him in those 3-5 (not sure) years. Look at naruto here
And now look at him here
Hope you get my point, look how strong naruto has become in a 3-4 year period, I mean itachi killed his whole clan when he was 13 (I think) so how can you say tobi is too strong to be obito.
Also what people do not see is that obito is not strong at all, I mean all he does is absorb people and teleport. I mean if obito did survive and unlock his powers would he need to improve much on his ninjutsu and taijutsu ?? I think not! He’s powers to become intangible and his space/time techniques are fearful enough
Yes he went up against the 4th... And lost !
Anyone can go up against anyone the battle between the 4th and tobi was mainly a battle of brains not brawn, tobi isn't physically strong at all it’s just his ocular powers which are enough.
People say Obito has no reason to be evil look well.. look at sasuke here
and look at sasuke here
Obviously we have been following the story of sasuke as well as naruto so we know all the events that have happened in the last 3-4 years but like I said we don't know what happen to obito if he did survive.. good guys can turn bad as seen with many characters.. * cough cough* nagato
Now obito's body was crushed.. Tobi's body is filled with a white substance most likely zetsu,
which makes perfect sense for this to be obito look at tobi here
he's right side is white
we know that zetsu and tobi are very close
Like my theory says he could have confronted obito or even saved him we don’t know!
Tobi is old we saw his face, yhh whatever, we've seen the right said of his face NEVER the left, his right side was crushed of course it would look squashed. There has been many times were we have seen tobi’s right side of his face never his left ??
This is the real key if kishi is willing to reveal this much of tobi’s face he might aswell reveal all of it ? welll if it is obito the the left side should be fine not squashed which is the only reason I can think of for his left face not to be shown
This is a complete random clue I saw from re watching some past naruto ep's (ay I was bored) anyway right before akatsuki was introduced and itachi and kismae were sitting down in a restaurant this was said.............
Asuma said this to kakashi because he said he is collecting something for an offering or something like that. Funny that obito was mentioned right before akatsuki were introduced and I assure you this was righttt before itachi, kisame and akatsuki was introduced. It would be very ironic as tobi claims to be the influence behind akatsuki and obito is mentioned right before akatsuki’s introduction anyway just a clue I found.
If you actually read all that wow, I added a lot of pictures in this thread so I could prove everything I said was true. I will probably reply to post on this thread by just copying and pasting because people don’t seem to read the post properly when the answer is right there.
There's no way I can go into why tobi isn't the elder son, izuna uchiha or kami uchiha. Have you seen how long this thread is however I will do brief summaries why I believe they are not tobi.
Sage of six path son:
“Even the elder son's dad wasn’t immortal so why would he be? Kakuzu even said there’s no true immortality meaning even Hidan ages. Everything deteriorates. Plus tobi posed as madara. why would the mighty son of the sage pose as a kid, who would madara be to him? and why is he madara's bitch, following madara's plan and planning to resurrect madara? why would he become so weak over the years? his fight with his bro couldn’t have done that much.”
Izuni madara brother:
He is blind and dead why do you people say this, if he was blind how did he get new eyes?? We saw him in his coffin ?? Even if he "didn't die" he would die from old age what is wrong with you people ?? Yet we didn’t see obito die and you say he is dead ??
Kami uchiha: I wouldn't mind if it was, I actually like the idea and is who I believe tobi is if it is not obito. Kami is around the right age to be tobi and also he just seemed to disappear with no explanation. But if it was him, who would it shock? Most people probably don't even know him the third is dead, danzo is dead and the second 2nd is dead.. If it was obito that involves the 4th and Kakashi who are connected to almost all the characters in the naruto universe in some way or form.
For those how thought the obito is tobi theory died I'm showing you it’s still alive and kicking !!
Please argue against any of the points I've made or maybe some that I haven't made, this is a discussion and I would like to hear your thoughts
I just don’t like the fact that people are saying “It can’t be Obito !!” when as I have shown in this thread it very well could be. :scorps:
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The biggest misconception about tobi is the events we have actually seen him in. I am going to confirm to everyone that the first tobi we ever saw in the naruto series was short haired tobi and this was the nine tails attack.
The long haired tobi that revealed himself to kisame was tobi 8 years after the nine tails attack and itachi was around 13 at this time.
Tobi has calmed to do the following things “battle with the 1st" “hashirama being the man he hates and respects most" “Give nagato the rinnegan" “In courage Yahiko to start the akatsuki" (Note this is all things we haven't seen tobi do) We know now tobi is not madara, so I ask my self is the things he said he done actually done by him or was he posing as madara?
Even the bit about nagato can be backed up with the real madara doing it and not tobi.
So yh basically tobi can be obito as the first tobi we saw and can confirm from kishi has short hair and all the events he said he done before this time can be backed up for it being madara.
So why can't tobi be obito, come at me bro!
My Theory
Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right side of his body half crushed. Right after this he encountered Zetsu who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him.
I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells, and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and shit.”
And later infused this body with obito who he found because he needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage into combat.
Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an uzumaki child (nagato) or it could of been madara him self. So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime.
But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.
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Now before you question my theory or flame me read the whole thread !!!!!!
First of all let's start with the BASICS, tobi is basically Obito with a missing O this is probably one of the first links people spotted but is very true. Even if you say tobi backwards out loud it is actually “bi to” and if you spell tobi together multiple times without spaces you get this tobitobitobitobi SMALL, IRRELEVANT but ture links but as I said this is just the BASICS. Now this same small link was the same with naruto and nagato and look at the big link with them, both uzumaki, Both jiraya's students..
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the list of links goes on
In the naruto series Kishi makes a lot of links between characters, names and much more which are all connected... don't want to go into details withall the links with names this thread would be too long..
Second link hair well as we all know obito's hair and tobi's CURRENT hair are very similar
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But in the past tobi has been seen with longer hair, but obito could of left his hair to grow for whatever reason and then cut it back to how it was originally.
Also the first tobi we ever ever! saw was the one who went up against the 4th and this tobi had short hair. So this supports he let his hair grow again to maybe change is appearance or for whatever reason.
Tobi is a character who changes his appearance the most in Naruto with frequent mask changes
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You saying tobi is not obito because he once had long hair is just like saying the mask man who talked to kisamae is not tobi because he has a different mask
Tobi's sharingan powers is similar to kakashi's it was stated that each sharingan user has unique power, kakashi can warp objects that he focuses his eyes on into different dimensions
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Tobi can warp anything he touches into different dimensions.. as well as himself to different dimensions and other locations.
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Kakashi sharingan IS Obito's eye and kakashi is not a full uchiha so it’s obvious that he would not be able to use it to its full ability. It is also obvious that obito would have this sort space/time powers if he survived, which tobi clearly does.
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People also say well it’s not obito because tobi has 2 sharingan which was revealed with his fight against konan well..
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Tobi has shown great skill in transplanting eyes as he gave sasuke itachi's eyes and also he implanted the rinnegan in he’s left eye. So yhhh that kills that argument doesn't it..
Another argument is tobi is too strong to be obito he couldn't of got that strong in that time space to fight the 4th and so on, well if obito did survive we don't know what happened to him in those 3-5 (not sure) years. Look at naruto here
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And now look at him here
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Hope you get my point, look how strong naruto has become in a 3-4 year period, I mean itachi killed his whole clan when he was 13 (I think) so how can you say tobi is too strong to be obito.
Also what people do not see is that obito is not strong at all, I mean all he does is absorb people and teleport. I mean if obito did survive and unlock his powers would he need to improve much on his ninjutsu and taijutsu ?? I think not! He’s powers to become intangible and his space/time techniques are fearful enough
Yes he went up against the 4th... And lost !
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Anyone can go up against anyone the battle between the 4th and tobi was mainly a battle of brains not brawn, tobi isn't physically strong at all it’s just his ocular powers which are enough.
People say Obito has no reason to be evil look well.. look at sasuke here
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and look at sasuke here
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Obviously we have been following the story of sasuke as well as naruto so we know all the events that have happened in the last 3-4 years but like I said we don't know what happen to obito if he did survive.. good guys can turn bad as seen with many characters.. * cough cough* nagato
Now obito's body was crushed.. Tobi's body is filled with a white substance most likely zetsu,
which makes perfect sense for this to be obito look at tobi here
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he's right side is white
we know that zetsu and tobi are very close
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Like my theory says he could have confronted obito or even saved him we don’t know!
Tobi is old we saw his face, yhh whatever, we've seen the right said of his face NEVER the left, his right side was crushed of course it would look squashed. There has been many times were we have seen tobi’s right side of his face never his left ??
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This is the real key if kishi is willing to reveal this much of tobi’s face he might aswell reveal all of it ? welll if it is obito the the left side should be fine not squashed which is the only reason I can think of for his left face not to be shown
This is a complete random clue I saw from re watching some past naruto ep's (ay I was bored) anyway right before akatsuki was introduced and itachi and kismae were sitting down in a restaurant this was said.............
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Asuma said this to kakashi because he said he is collecting something for an offering or something like that. Funny that obito was mentioned right before akatsuki were introduced and I assure you this was righttt before itachi, kisame and akatsuki was introduced. It would be very ironic as tobi claims to be the influence behind akatsuki and obito is mentioned right before akatsuki’s introduction anyway just a clue I found.
If you actually read all that wow, I added a lot of pictures in this thread so I could prove everything I said was true. I will probably reply to post on this thread by just copying and pasting because people don’t seem to read the post properly when the answer is right there.
There's no way I can go into why tobi isn't the elder son, izuna uchiha or kami uchiha. Have you seen how long this thread is however I will do brief summaries why I believe they are not tobi.
Sage of six path son:
“Even the elder son's dad wasn’t immortal so why would he be? Kakuzu even said there’s no true immortality meaning even Hidan ages. Everything deteriorates. Plus tobi posed as madara. why would the mighty son of the sage pose as a kid, who would madara be to him? and why is he madara's bitch, following madara's plan and planning to resurrect madara? why would he become so weak over the years? his fight with his bro couldn’t have done that much.”
Izuni madara brother:
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He is blind and dead why do you people say this, if he was blind how did he get new eyes?? We saw him in his coffin ?? Even if he "didn't die" he would die from old age what is wrong with you people ?? Yet we didn’t see obito die and you say he is dead ??
Kami uchiha: I wouldn't mind if it was, I actually like the idea and is who I believe tobi is if it is not obito. Kami is around the right age to be tobi and also he just seemed to disappear with no explanation. But if it was him, who would it shock? Most people probably don't even know him the third is dead, danzo is dead and the second 2nd is dead.. If it was obito that involves the 4th and Kakashi who are connected to almost all the characters in the naruto universe in some way or form.
For those how thought the obito is tobi theory died I'm showing you it’s still alive and kicking !!
Please argue against any of the points I've made or maybe some that I haven't made, this is a discussion and I would like to hear your thoughts
I just don’t like the fact that people are saying “It can’t be Obito !!” when as I have shown in this thread it very well could be. :scorps:
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The biggest misconception about tobi is the events we have actually seen him in. I am going to confirm to everyone that the first tobi we ever saw in the naruto series was short haired tobi and this was the nine tails attack.
The long haired tobi that revealed himself to kisame was tobi 8 years after the nine tails attack and itachi was around 13 at this time.
Tobi has calmed to do the following things “battle with the 1st" “hashirama being the man he hates and respects most" “Give nagato the rinnegan" “In courage Yahiko to start the akatsuki" (Note this is all things we haven't seen tobi do) We know now tobi is not madara, so I ask my self is the things he said he done actually done by him or was he posing as madara?
Even the bit about nagato can be backed up with the real madara doing it and not tobi.
So yh basically tobi can be obito as the first tobi we saw and can confirm from kishi has short hair and all the events he said he done before this time can be backed up for it being madara.
So why can't tobi be obito, come at me bro!
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Tobi/Obito Theory (Spoiler Alert)
I think there were 2 Tobi's .. the first Tobi was Madara fighting the Fourth Hokage and also knowing so much about the history and stuff .. and now as we have seen the second one is Obito Uchiha ... I think when the boulder smashed Obito he was taken/saved by Madara and then trained to be stronger but i think he was also brainwashed to make sure that he succeded in the Eye of the moon plan if Madara died for some reasons .. and also Obito didnt rly had any reasons for hatting the world , we have seen that he had the will of fire .. He choosed friends before the mission .. so i think there more to the story than we think ..
I think there were 2 Tobi's .. the first Tobi was Madara fighting the Fourth Hokage and also knowing so much about the history and stuff .. and now as we have seen the second one is Obito Uchiha ... I think when the boulder smashed Obito he was taken/saved by Madara and then trained to be stronger but i think he was also brainwashed to make sure that he succeded in the Eye of the moon plan if Madara died for some reasons .. and also Obito didnt rly had any reasons for hatting the world , we have seen that he had the will of fire .. He choosed friends before the mission .. so i think there more to the story than we think ..
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you can't say something has plot holes when it the story hasn't finished. ZOMG! its not obito because of this and he was still a youngser when the attack on blablabla and shit. kishimoto hasn't explained so you can't say it has plot holes when you haven't heard the full story.this guy knows
Hold your horses (Tobito)
I know a lot of you are super excited about Obito being Tobi.
However really take a moment to consider the following:
- Madara died shortly after he got the Rinnegan and he only knows about a child Nagato. Madara died when Nagato was a kid.
- Tobi says he influenced the formation of Akatsuki. Now bear in mind Madara was dead and had no memory of Akatsuki. Madara had nothing to do with Akatsuki's formation.
- Obito did not awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan - thus Kamui - before the rocks crushed him. That's why Kakashi didn't have the MS till part 2 and that's why Tobito is combined with Zetsu spare parts.
- Tobi told Kushina he was waiting for ages to control Kurama. Obito would've been 14 when he attacked Konoha, even if you think he's 4 years older than Kurama. Answer this: why would a 14-18 year old (with Obito's background) have a grudge against Konoha and the Uchiha clan (as he told Itachi).
Insofar that he would attack the village with the strongest of the nine tailed beasts and that he'd deal with Danzo to get the Uchiha clan destroyed.
- Why did Kisame recognise the face we saw (minus the Rinnegan)? Yes you can say he used Genjutsu on Kisame, but that's speculation. Why hide his face and spill his Moon's Eye Plan?
So all the Obito = Tobi (in mind) zealots, ask yourself: where does Obito (whose in Kakashi's age group) fit into all this?
He's no where near the age to influence Akatsuki's formation, or do what he did to Yagura.
Especially when it is pretty clear Madara and Tobi know one-another; Madara considers Tobi to be an underling. Madara died before Obito even became a shinobi.
Yes it is Obito's body. But if we have no confirmation that it is Obito gone sour. We got "Obito?" - if Gai and Kakashi are certain why is there a question mark?
I'm sure a lot of you want to cash in victory after years of betting, but clearly there's more than meets the eye with this. Especially when you consider Obito's age.
I know you can bring up the inconsistencies with age e.g. Anko. However that's a bad argument for 2 reasons:
1) Volume release; lets see if that changes anything. Kishimoto can't put too much care into the manga on a weekly basis, that's what the volume versions are there for. We've seen Kishimoto change text, artwork and even outright omit a character in one of the war volumes.
2) Anko and Hayate aren't important characters. If Kishimoto, say, altered Kakashi/Gai's age. Then we'd have an issue. However, Anko and Hayate aren't worth calling a timeline crisis, especially when they're arguably subject to change.
But I digress, the timeline that counts - which mentions important characters - still purports that Obito Uchiha is no where near old enough to influence the events Tobi did. Madara's words don't suggest he lived longer than seeing a child Nagato.
So, Tobito people, you've not totally won - yet. :ice:
I know a lot of you are super excited about Obito being Tobi.
However really take a moment to consider the following:
- Madara died shortly after he got the Rinnegan and he only knows about a child Nagato. Madara died when Nagato was a kid.
- Tobi says he influenced the formation of Akatsuki. Now bear in mind Madara was dead and had no memory of Akatsuki. Madara had nothing to do with Akatsuki's formation.
- Obito did not awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan - thus Kamui - before the rocks crushed him. That's why Kakashi didn't have the MS till part 2 and that's why Tobito is combined with Zetsu spare parts.
- Tobi told Kushina he was waiting for ages to control Kurama. Obito would've been 14 when he attacked Konoha, even if you think he's 4 years older than Kurama. Answer this: why would a 14-18 year old (with Obito's background) have a grudge against Konoha and the Uchiha clan (as he told Itachi).
Insofar that he would attack the village with the strongest of the nine tailed beasts and that he'd deal with Danzo to get the Uchiha clan destroyed.
- Why did Kisame recognise the face we saw (minus the Rinnegan)? Yes you can say he used Genjutsu on Kisame, but that's speculation. Why hide his face and spill his Moon's Eye Plan?
So all the Obito = Tobi (in mind) zealots, ask yourself: where does Obito (whose in Kakashi's age group) fit into all this?
He's no where near the age to influence Akatsuki's formation, or do what he did to Yagura.
Especially when it is pretty clear Madara and Tobi know one-another; Madara considers Tobi to be an underling. Madara died before Obito even became a shinobi.
Yes it is Obito's body. But if we have no confirmation that it is Obito gone sour. We got "Obito?" - if Gai and Kakashi are certain why is there a question mark?
I'm sure a lot of you want to cash in victory after years of betting, but clearly there's more than meets the eye with this. Especially when you consider Obito's age.
I know you can bring up the inconsistencies with age e.g. Anko. However that's a bad argument for 2 reasons:
1) Volume release; lets see if that changes anything. Kishimoto can't put too much care into the manga on a weekly basis, that's what the volume versions are there for. We've seen Kishimoto change text, artwork and even outright omit a character in one of the war volumes.
2) Anko and Hayate aren't important characters. If Kishimoto, say, altered Kakashi/Gai's age. Then we'd have an issue. However, Anko and Hayate aren't worth calling a timeline crisis, especially when they're arguably subject to change.
But I digress, the timeline that counts - which mentions important characters - still purports that Obito Uchiha is no where near old enough to influence the events Tobi did. Madara's words don't suggest he lived longer than seeing a child Nagato.
So, Tobito people, you've not totally won - yet. :ice:
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Re: Hold your horses (Tobito)
I like the amount of effort you've put into this but this type of thread has been done to death. +Rep for the effort not the concept
I like the amount of effort you've put into this but this type of thread has been done to death. +Rep for the effort not the concept
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One thing about the kisame/madara thing how do we know kisane knew what the real madara looked like?.......... I mean couldn't anuone just pop up with long hair and sharingan and claim to be madara, then some years later come back and meet up with him and it be the same person?
One thing about the kisame/madara thing how do we know kisane knew what the real madara looked like?.......... I mean couldn't anuone just pop up with long hair and sharingan and claim to be madara, then some years later come back and meet up with him and it be the same person?
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