Tsunade>3 tomoe itachi correct?

[jay2512]

Orochimaru had to Cut his Hand to Get out oF Itachi's Genjutsu
i Am sure Tsunade will Have to do The same

unlike jiraiya, tsunade has katsuyu and perfect chakra control alongside being a medical ninja.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Katsuyu turns into a little slug and goes into tsunade's pocket. If that one somehow dies (it won't cause it didn't die when Naruto went 6tails form) another one justs jumps in. Genjutsu useless. Tsunade wins.

 

[jay2512]

That's why she didn't fell even one time under Madaras genjutsu, right? Not surprising coming from a Itachi fanboy:sy:

itachis genjutsus dont even match madaras or the way madara utilizes genjutsu since he specializes it better than itachi..

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

And why is that?

Sample because seeing it isn't believing it.

 

[sasukeEMSrules]

no man just no!

 

[TouchMyMangos]

While Itachi may be able to avoid direct hits from Tsunade via Sharingan reading of movements another issue arises in terms of taijutsu, the tendacy of her strikes to send shockwaves through the ground. Itachi would have no way of reading those. Not only does her her heavenly kick of pain do this but as seen with her scuffle with kabuto, as do her ground centered punched, and in her encounter with naruto her finger attack does as well. And while Itachi may think he has dodged the attack he may end up in a predicament very similar to Pein's Preta encountered when he tried avoid Naruto's punch.
Itachi had been held to Godly standards but if anything, his fight with Kabuto displayed that he can be caught off guard even by taijutsu. That he is not as capable as people thought he was. His bread and butter is his MS techniques. In most fights we've seen him win it's been because of those MS techniques. He one shotted Kakashi with Tsukuyomi. But was fatigued after. He stopped Kirin with Susanoo. He killed summons with Amaterasu. But what has he really done without he MS techniques? You removed those techniques from the equation so the burden of proving that he still has a chance against Tsunade relies on you.
Tsunade has proven her ability to tank katons.
Tsunade has proven that she is not slow.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in taijutsu.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in medical ninjutsu and in doing so her prowess in chakra control.
That is all that's needed to beat a 3 tomoe Itachi.
Three tomoe Itachi has 2 options try to engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat or try to use genjutsu on her.
Medical Ninjutsu requires precise chakra control. Tsunade has healed the citizens of her village twice.
The way in which genjutsu works is the caster controlling victim's chakra flow to the victim's head. However genjutsu can be countered if the victim is able to stop their own chakra flow. With such great chakra control this shouldn't pose much of a problem for Tsunade. I know 3 tomoe Itachi immobilized Orochimaru. This is true, but Orochimaru was not hailed as the greatest medical ninja nor has his chakra control been noted to be near Tsunade's level of expertise.
Because genjutsu would therefore serve as a waste of time, he would have to face her in CQC. Regardless of who you are it is doubtful that you can take Tsunade in CQC. Considering the way to kill Tsunade is either to exhaust her chakra or decapitate her Itachi has his work cut out for him having a kunai as his main form of weapon. He also does not have the option of blocking because the force of Tsunade's strike will break what ever he decides to block with. So he must engage in CQC with Tsunade without ever allowing himself to be touched. Let's not mention Katsuyu. Itachi's Katon's are not big enough to take down Katsuyu and may even be countered Katsuyu's acid. Beyond that how could Itachi go toe to toe with Tsunade while avoid being crushed or melted by Katsuyu?
I don't underestimate Itachi nor Overrate Tsunade. The fact of the matter is that Tsunade is a top tier fighter. As is Itachi. However, much of Itachi's fighting style relies on his MS. Taking that away makes him much weaker.

Now you say that Tsunade has no way past Yata Mirror. But considering she has Katsuyu who's acid must be more acidic than Mei's( as Katsuyu's easily and quickly melted rock and Mei's barely melted the rock wall in the room in which she was melting Sasuke's susanoo was not melting at all) Could attack Sasuke from Behind. Leaving a gaping whole in Susanoo.

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Furthermore Tsunade was able to get behind a Susanoo clone who has both EMS Sharingan and the Rinnegan Shared vision and strike it's back.

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As I've stated many times before Tsunade has an enormous supply of chakra and has shown she's able to act even when in extreme pain. So should Itachi decide to attack Tsunade with Amaterasu, the problem then becomes the fact that he has not proven himself particularly skilled with Enton. As Tsunade will continue to be on fire, that does not mean she cannot continue to attack. It is logical to assume that if she can bear to attack when impaled by two swords she can attack while burning. If she does so, Itachi's Susanoo will be set on fire as well. As the black flames will be working against him, he will have to suppress them. But suppressing them is pointless unless he suppresses the flames on Tsunade as she can continually set him on fire. Because he is not particularly skilled at Enton it will probably take a lot out of him to extinguish the black flames.
In order for the Totsuka Blade to be truly effective he has to hit Tsunade with it. Tsunade is the world's best medical ninja and we know that based on what she taught Sakura that healing is the secondary function of a medical nin, and avoiding attacks is the the primary task of a medical nin because if they die there's no one to heal the team. Therefore it only stands to reason that Tsunade is one of the most evasive characters in Naruto if her primary skill is evasion when her secondary skill is unparalleled. People mistake her decision to tank as an inability to avoid. But Madara's Katon is a perfect example of how she could have done either but chose to tank the attack. In addition if Tsunade's body were incapable of reacting quickly to attacks then Dan would not have been able to help her dodge Madara's attack as it still would have been impossible. There is a big difference between hitting large targets such as the heads of Oro's Hydra Tech and hitting a woman. There's a large difference between hitting a stationary man not paying attention and hitting an evasion specialist.

She should have some of the best chakra control in the narutoverse as the best medical nin
She also must understand very well the mechanics of genjutsu Tsukuyomi included based on how easily she healed Kakashi and Sasuke. Because she healed their injuries she should also have some idea of what to expect. Furthermore, even if she can't if she decides to use Katsuyu, a katsuyu that sits on her shoulder like the one she used during the Pein invasion should be capable of waking her. And her mental fortitude was great enough to overcome her deepest fear, so I'm not sure how damaging mentally Tsukuyomi would be for her, she may be able to tank the mental trauma.

You underrate Tsunade because you don't think critically about her skills and her feats and the implication it has in other settings.

To answer your question, I think a TBB is too much for Tsunade to take. Kirin while it would fry the cells in her body consider how many cells she must've regrown regenerating her abdomen a number of times in this one fight. Then she took on a full body katon attack and healed from that. And had she not healed the other kages and donated chakra to onoki she would've still had chakra left. Poison essentially attacks the liver and damages cells individually technically speaking Tsunade should be capable of healing from poison.

One shotting Katusyu with Amaterasu is not so easy as Katsuyu can divide and allow the part that is burning to continue to burn and leave the rest of her unscathed.

Tsunade's fear of blood was not caused by actual blood, but more of an idea that Dan's and Nawaki's blood was on her hands. It is an issue she's been able to deal with since. She not only overcame her fear of blood but got closure with Dan. There is no logical reason to assume she will regain hemophobia now. And Your assuming she is incapable of breaking out of Tsukuyomi.

Tsunade's healing them with ease means she knows exactly what part of the brain was affected and she knows how it damages the brain and how it works. Which makes her more prepared to face it.

Sasuke's genjutsu one shotted a medical ninja? No medical ninja in konoha could cure Sasuke or Kakashi of the effects of Tsukuyomi. No medical ninja in Sunagakure could heal Kankuro after Sasori had poisoned him. No other Medical ninja could counter Chiyo's poisons. Orochimaru trusted no other medical ninjas not even Kabuto to try to heal his arms. Why? Because Tsunade and her pupils are bounds ahead of regular medical ninjutsu. When Kabuto tried a technique similar to Tsunade's he was incapable of healing from a rasengan though he was considered a medical ninja prodigy. Tsunade though has healed from being impaled on more than one occasion.
If people skip it is their choice to be ignorant of the argument I've already established. Itachi may know what she's capable of but as she has such precise chakra control how exactly does he manage to do any significant harm to her? without MS

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So Itachi has a habit of going using Genjutsu right off the back? Particularly eye genjutsus usually. If you notice Tsunade has been battling Madara for quite a while now and has yet to look in his eyes. She's a senju who already knows about Sharingan genjutsu. The fact that his style is so consistent is what makes him more vulnerable as Tsunade has full knowledge. Databook stats aren't very reliable and are to be taken with a grain of salt. What really matters are cannon feats.
Well Itachi is a genjutsu specialist, whereas Tsunade is a taijutsu, evasion, and medical specialist. Kunai? Shuriken? These weapons seldom pose a threat to top tier fighters. When we're considering Exploding Clones Tsunade has Katsuyu.
Yes distance is in Tsunade's favor. She can immediately force Itachi into a taijutsu battle. Where do you get this crazy idea that in order to not look someone in the eyes while fighting you must look at their feet. I know as a martial artist I don't stare into someones eyes when I fight them nor do I stare at their feet.
It's not about setting up a scenario. It's about actually comparing the two based on their merits and abilities. Tsunade stomps three tomoe Itachi as she should be very capable of breaking through any attempt at genjutsu. She dominates in hand to hand. And without MS what does he have in his arsenal to sufficiently kill Tsunade?

Nuff said. Fanboys can't respond to this.

 

[jay2512]

no man just no!

care to explain

 

[Kirikoe]

i feel sorry for tsunade on this base most of the people are uchiha fan boys and cant see passt the ignorance -.- i mean come on even i can see that tsunade wins with high dificulty and itachi is one of my fav characters im just not biased -.-

 

[sasukeEMSrules]

Dude she's a kage of course he cares. She can hold her own against madara. Her holding her own against Madara means she can handle a genjutsu user easily. This is information I've collected from tazzilla88

Madara was merely toying with the kages. tsunade serves no purpose, she's a fodder and will probably die before they unveil naruto as their 6th hokage.

 

[SubZero89]

Sample because seeing it isn't believing it.

Thank you for that pointless post.

 

[jay2512]

Madara was merely toying with the kages. tsunade serves no purpose, she's a fodder and will probably die before they unveil naruto as their 6th hokage.

Man totally underrating. she can possibly die idk but in this case against itachi 3 tomoe she wins especially with katsuyu at her side

 

[Sasunarufan13]

She doesn't have to look in Itachi's eyes to get caught in a genjutsu - even lifting his finger is enough to put someone in a genjutsu, as proving during his fight with Naruto when they were on their way to rescue Gaara.

While Tsunade isn't weak at all, and indeed manages to hold her own against Madara, which is an impressive feat, I don't think she would win it from Itachi.

That guy is a genius and one of the strongest Uchiha's there is. I'm not sure if she could win a fight against him. She wouldn't be defeated immediately, but well, I think Itachi will be the ultimate winner

 

[hate trolls]

I think tsunade is a bit overated

by fangirls

 

[sasukeEMSrules]

Man totally underrating. she can possibly die idk but in this case against itachi 3 tomoe she wins especially with katsuyu at her side

well everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect yours but sire i'm gonna stick to mine peace out

 

[sasukeEMSrules]

She doesn't have to look in Itachi's eyes to get caught in a genjutsu - even lifting his finger is enough to put someone in a genjutsu, as proving during his fight with Naruto when they were on their way to rescue Gaara.

While Tsunade isn't weak at all, and indeed manages to hold her own against Madara, which is an impressive feat, I don't think she would win it from Itachi.

That guy is a genius and one of the strongest Uchiha's there is. I'm not sure if she could win a fight against him. She wouldn't be defeated immediately, but well, I think Itachi will be the ultimate winner

^well said + rep

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Fanboys can't counter long posts. Typical.

 

[jay2512]

She doesn't have to look in Itachi's eyes to get caught in a genjutsu - even lifting his finger is enough to put someone in a genjutsu, as proving during his fight with Naruto when they were on their way to rescue Gaara.

While Tsunade isn't weak at all, and indeed manages to hold her own against Madara, which is an impressive feat, I don't think she would win it from Itachi.

That guy is a genius and one of the strongest Uchiha's there is. I'm not sure if she could win a fight against him. She wouldn't be defeated immediately, but well, I think Itachi will be the ultimate winner

i originally thought the same way and felt that he would be a perfect counter to her style. but if she has knowledge than i think she can avoid genjutsu.

would the battle even matter if they both had equal knowledge of each other? can someone utilize that intel differently than another? or is any different aspect coming from a different character canceled out because the other opponent simply having the same way of utilizing the knowledge?

 

[realobito1]

Taijutsu unless you have the speed of gates or lighting armor has no chance of hitting a faster opponent with sharingan. Itachi at the very most would just trap her in tsukuyomi. I dont think people get that you can't just not look into someone eyes, gai had special training. Even if you say that would not work tsunade has noway of evading Ama. Itachi would not even need to use susanoo against Tsunade. I hate the fact that she gets overrated. Saying all this Itachi would destroy her high diff with only three tomoe.

 

[Chatte]

Well, you made this thread because of the discussion with Tazilla, didn't you?
Well to answer your question: yes!
Why?
Because she is a medical ninja and knows how brain works and because she has shown to heal Tsukyomi in an instant.

Why she would be able to break it? Well, as we know, genjutsu has to do with chakra disturbance. Well, as Tsunade has perfect chakra control she could break it with regular ease in 3 ways.

1. Her perfect chakra control.
2. Her seal which is an outer source of chakra (that's what you need to break tsukyomi so that's why I believe she would be able to break even from Tsukyomi. Still not 100% sure)
3. Katsuyu which is an outer source of chakra as well.

So yes, regular genjutsu would not be a problem for her, but I don't know about Tsukyomi though.

And your poll has some wrong answers to be honest...

 

[jay2512]

Fanboys can't counter long posts. Typical.

it really depends on whose willing to read a novel and point out certain points that can possibly be flawed throughout a huge response. i originally viewed that matchup and was in favor of itachi. im for tsunade now, but im going to bring up what i thought from before