Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[KillerbYo]

izuna seems a little legit besides kagami, its not like he would be a new character if he is kagami its more like kagami would be him and we would know more of his past.

izuna seems a bit reasonable due to the way he talked about him with sasuke that was a bit werid and also there is a huge focus on brothers in the show. so.
Maybe kagami was just some quick character he came up with the name is a bit quick.

 

[KillerbYo]

I just think it must be intended, because Kishi must know how to draw Izuna. If Kishi decides he will draw Tobi's chin and he's decided Tobi is Izuna, Tobi's chin would logically be pointy like he has always drawn Izuna's. It's not a slight difference, you can clearly see it's a totally different chin. Just throwing it out

I think it could be an error.

But im not saying his Izuna.

And also if he is izuna that sort of explains why he said Nagatos eyes were his because maybe he took them from Madara and Madara took them from him.

 

[Higekage]

I think it could be an error.

There is a chance, true. Also I don't feel we got to wait this long just for Tobi to be Madara's brother. It wouldn't be surprising enough. I won't be surprised if it's Izuna. Just hope it's not

 

[Sasuke2]

You guys seriously don't know anything about drawing... just pointing out that Madara has a bit different chin each time.
The Izuna picture isn't in detail

 

[gamahiro]

Some form of Zetsu, using Obito's eye or maybe his whole body. But it all has something to do with Orochimaru, somehow. I think Zetsu was a product of Orochimaru's experiments.
I predict, in the near future, a flashback to moments before Obito's death. We'll see someone taking the eye or body.

 

[shk1020]

Some form of Zetsu, using Obito's eye or maybe his whole body. But it all has something to do with Orochimaru, somehow. I think Zetsu was a product of Orochimaru's experiments.
I predict, in the near future, a flashback to moments before Obito's death. We'll see someone taking the eye or body.

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you mention zetsu, i feel there is something there...

 

[Kagamii]

Against:

1. Because it would be extremely anti-climactic and just bad writing. We all want Tobi to be someone, not something..
2. His chin not matching Tobi's, that it would be far too obvious and that he died. That's all I can think of. Still I can't say Tobi's definitely not Izuna, but I think and hope he is not

For:

1. Well, right age.. Still hate these theories.
2. Could have motive, right age, about the right looks

Kagami is the best theory still. It has no holes, perfect age match, almost perfect looks match. We know little about him though, but tbh I don't think it matters. It's the best way for Kishi to surprise, having him be a featured character that is mysterious. Not a new character that we don't know, and not someone we could definitely guess because we had enough information. We know he was in Danzo's team, that he disappeared from Konoha without a trace - like Madara. That counts for something. We saw everyone from Hiruzen's era except Danzo and Kagami when Tobi/Kyuubi invaded Konoha - even their former teammate Torifu

Agreed 100% ^_^
I dont think Kishi would just throw him into the story for no reason.

 

[Alcamea]

It is the ramen man live with it :> :nexus:

 

[CudaJoe]

Tobi is Obito.

Its obvious guys. He survived the boulder by phasing through it. If he didnt phase through it then his arm took the blunt of the damage, not his face, thus his arm is a white zetsu arm. How could his face not be damaged by the boulder? Well thats because the boulder was round. Due to the circumference of the boulder the area where his face was, had enough space to fit.

My logic behind it? He didnt immediately die. So he either phased through the damn rock or only his arm was crushed.

Obito more than likely saw Rin get killed and kakashi who was so quickly nicknamed the hero of the Sharingan was by no means a hero who can protect everyone. Rin was killed and Kakashi failed to keep Obito's promise. Theres your motive for Obito being Tobi. Enjoy finding out im right next chapter.

 

[Bloodytaste]

There is something i thought about.
How did Tobi achive the MS Sharingan? If he is not Obito this should not be possbile for an transplanted eye. Danzous already had Ms ability before transplant, and Kakashi seems to be connected with tobis~
But this is not everthing i thought about. If Tobi could activate MS abilities in Sharingans, why didnt he done it to the other dozen one he got hidden? I mean he could have found so many strong MS abilities to use for battles, and maybe even a better one then his own. But as we saw at Fight with Konan he hid his other Sharingan wich for sure was a reason to say it is an transplant.
Wont this mean that his right Sharingan is his own eye which would mean, that Tobis Body also has to be Obitos Body or Obito himself?!

 

[Sasuke2]

People are retarded with: "Obito survived by phasing through boulders" ... He didn't have a MS :sy:

Tobi is Izuna, right after transplanting Obito's eye, it turned into MS because he already once did awake his own.

 

[A1phaMale]

There is something i thought about.
How did Tobi achive the MS Sharingan? If he is not Obito this should not be possbile for an transplanted eye. Danzous already had Ms ability before transplant, and Kakashi seems to be connected with tobis~
But this is not everthing i thought about. If Tobi could activate MS abilities in Sharingans, why didnt he done it to the other dozen one he got hidden? I mean he could have found so many strong MS abilities to use for battles, and maybe even a better one then his own. But as we saw at Fight with Konan he hid his other Sharingan wich for sure was a reason to say it is an transplant.
Wont this mean that his right Sharingan is his own eye which would mean, that Tobis Body also has to be Obitos Body or Obito himself?!

Based on the last manga chapter, it would seem that Tobi is Obito. However, there are a few outstanding items that need to be addressed to explain how Obito came into posession of the Rinnegan and Mag. Shargingan, etc. My theory is that Obito was able to survive the cave in (not sure how at this point), but perhaps the cave-in uncovered Madara's body. Madara's body could provide Obito the 1) Mag. Sharingan 2) Rinnegan and 3) the First Hokage's cells, all of which he does possess and had used at least 16 years earlier.

1) Mag. Sharingan - he controlled the nine tailed fox and 3rd Miz Kage, well before he could have mastered the Mag. Sharingan

2) According to Tobi, he gave Negato the rinnegan. As we came to find out later, Madara possessed the rinnegan. Also, Tobi was able to read all of the text at the hidden room known only be the Uchiha clan. This was where he deciphered the text regarding the 10 tails, etc.

3) Obito has been able to regenerate his arms. He lost his left arm twice, once to 4th hokage and also to Danzo's henchmen, and he didn't seem to care all that much. The "goo" arm hints that he can regenerate to some extent, and that leads to the 1st's cells. ToHe also has that large tree that resembles the 1st Hokage.

4). In addition, Tobi was scared after he saw Madara in the Edo Tensei coffin by Kabuto, and he asked "Where did you get that?".

5) The nine tailed fox recognizes the chakra from Tobi is the same as Madaras.

 

[Higekage]

Just for fun I'd like to show an Uchiha with the right age who no one named as a Tobi candidate yet from what I've seen

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The one in the middle on the top panel - Uchiha Hikaku ^^

His brows are too short though..

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Whoever is revealed this week it will just be the current host of the real Tobi. Tobi has had multiple hosts over time, hence his mask. He doesn't like seeing another man's face staring back at him. Folks should be happy if Kagami, Obito, or Izuna. It means the manga still has awhile yet.

 

[shk1020]

Kagami makes the least sense to me. I am starting to replace obito with kagami for being the worst lol. there is no proof or anything imo.

 

[Muwahaha]

Kagami makes the least sense to me. I am starting to replace obito with kagami for being the worst lol. there is no proof or anything imo.

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

Kagami has the timeline on his side, along with possible knowledge.
To me he's 3rd in line.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.

Kagami has the timeline on his side, along with possible knowledge.
To me he's 3rd in line.

That along with a very suspicious suggestion of a suicide mission which Danzo finds himself unable to volunteer for and Tobirama does.

 

[Muwahaha]

That along with a very suspicious suggestion of a suicide mission which Danzo finds himself unable to volunteer for and Tobirama does.

Oh yeah, he said something like ''There's no hope''
Tobi @ Kage meeting: ''There's no such thing as hope''

Funny.

 

[Bijuussj4Naruto]

Just two more days my friends and we will see who Tobito is

 

[KillerbYo]

I just thought about something. I reread the Madara chapters and got to some conclusions:

Madara survived Hashirama and Tobi "Fake Madara has mirrored him talking about him when meaning the real Madara, it was intended that the Rinnegan was supposed to be used to revive Madara and that he obtained them shortly after his death. He called Tsuki no Me for "Our plan".
So was he then collaborating with Tobi? or perhaps also Akatsuki which he or Tobi created. He also knew about Nagato so he must have implanted the eyes into him.
Then Tobi was likely supposed to manipulate him into using them to revive Madara.
We know Tobi was very serious about Madara not taking Izunas eyes.

So my thoughts are that if you could use the Rinnegan to revive someone that died decades earlier, then Madara should have been able to revive Izuna.

So maybe in order for Tsuki no me to continue he revived Izuna gave his Rinnegan eyes to him so that he could implant them to Nagato and then entrusted the resst to him.

That could mean Tobi actually is Izuna..

But it could also mean Izuna is also Kagami, maybe he pretended to be Kagami, kagami means mirror and he was just reflecting Madara.