[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 598 Discussion and 599 Predictions
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Kakashi will never have self transportations or be able to slip threw object, unless he get Obito other eye that Tobi have. Just like Tobi will never be able to transport object or people to the other dimension without touching them, unless he get Kakashi left eye(why don't your understand this). Kakashi have already master Kamui in his left MS eye, I mean when you can make just the rasangan disappear in Naruto hand from a far with perfect precision and had someone like Tobi totally fake out, I will have to say you might have Kamui down in limited time and try's compare to Tobi(Kakashi just need more chakra so he don't have to ration Kamui). Only thing left if he have not done it already or even can do it with his left MS eye, is to look at object or people and make them slip pass other object or people.
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slimPickens
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I agree with you to a point. I think someone else mentioned this on the board but, I think Tobi is Obito's dad. Who else would be old enough to know all that history and want to make Kakashi feel bad about making empty promises he couldn't keep.
beastlyray
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what an awesome chapter still not sure if tobi is obito or not but its definitaly leanin that way. i just hope they actully show his face next chapter and not go to another fight but they probally will not that its a bad thing tho the suspence of the reveal will probally be worth it when they finally show it
LuvNarutoSeries
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Tobi has to have been more that one character... Who I think is now Obito/(origins of Zetsu) if that makes any sense. I mentioned it maybe being his father whom in which we don't know anything about so I'm leaning more towards Obito
well if tobi can survive the 4th hokages rasengan which nearly blew him apart and can rip off his own arm (when fighting torune and fu) and then magically regrow it again i dont see why he cant survive a rasengan to the face
and hes not using the rinnegans outer path moves cos he cant while keeping the bijuu bound with his technique.. well thats the impression i get from what kakashi said so i doubt we will see rinnegan powers... but u never know might be wrong
yh having seen him regrow an arm and what not he prolly died after the 4th hit him but zetsu made another clone - yeah zetsu is definately linked because after he ripped is arm off how did he get another one?
and hes not using the rinnegans outer path moves cos he cant while keeping the bijuu bound with his technique.. well thats the impression i get from what kakashi said so i doubt we will see rinnegan powers... but u never know might be wrong
yh having seen him regrow an arm and what not he prolly died after the 4th hit him but zetsu made another clone - yeah zetsu is definately linked because after he ripped is arm off how did he get another one?
NamikazeNagato
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Tobi has NOT been using the Mangekyo Sharingan until this chapter, guys.
Instead he's been relying on his three-tomoe Sharingan to use his Space-Time abilities. I'll explain:
When Sasuke fought Danzo, his three-tomoe Sharingan could use Izanagi. You need the Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanagi BUT his Senju DNA allowed him to perform the ability using the regular Sharigan.
The same is for Tobi. He has Senju DNA inside of him, and it allows him to use the Mangekyo Sharigan without actually ACTIVATING it. Another thing, the reason why he can teleport himself and Kakashi can't is because Tobi possess the right eye of Obito's Sharigan. Sasuke cast Amaterasu using his left eye and puts it out by using his right eye.
Pay attention to this fact as this points out he real TRUTH. Tobi is only using ONE JUTSU. One to become intangible AND to suck up things. What if THAT'S the secondary ability of Obito's Sharingan.
Tell me what you thing.
Instead he's been relying on his three-tomoe Sharingan to use his Space-Time abilities. I'll explain:
When Sasuke fought Danzo, his three-tomoe Sharingan could use Izanagi. You need the Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanagi BUT his Senju DNA allowed him to perform the ability using the regular Sharigan.
The same is for Tobi. He has Senju DNA inside of him, and it allows him to use the Mangekyo Sharigan without actually ACTIVATING it. Another thing, the reason why he can teleport himself and Kakashi can't is because Tobi possess the right eye of Obito's Sharigan. Sasuke cast Amaterasu using his left eye and puts it out by using his right eye.
Pay attention to this fact as this points out he real TRUTH. Tobi is only using ONE JUTSU. One to become intangible AND to suck up things. What if THAT'S the secondary ability of Obito's Sharingan.
Tell me what you thing.
Uchiha quincy
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mehn kishi tried for this chapter,but i dont want kakshi to die.
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Reasons that Tobi isn't Obito:
Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.
Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.
Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.
Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.
Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.
Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.
Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.
Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.
Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
Plothole Number 1: Tobi’s Power Level (chapters 500-504). There is no way Obito could turn into an alpha dog shinobi who mastered S/T phasing and teleportation within a 1-2 year time frame. At 15 years old? No way... There is also no way Obito would know how to extract the Kyuubi, hypnotize it, control it like a puppet, and then summon it wherever the hell he wants to. And all of this is supposed to have happened 1-2 years after Obito supposedly died? That’s just not feasible.
Plothole Number 2: Personality U-turn (chapter 241 page 19). "Of course those in the ninja world who break the rules and regulations are called trash... but those who don’t care about their companions are even worse than trash." Will of Fire talk from Obito. It makes no sense for. him to suddenly manifest this unwavering vendetta against Konoha unless Tobi is just using Obito’s body as a vessel, in which case, Tobi isn’t really Obito anyway because his soul and spirit have nothing to do with it.
Plothole Number 3: Kushina Quote (chapter 501 page 7). "Do you have ANY idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?" It’s a complete contradiction for Obito to say something like that when, hypothetically, he wouldn’t have been alive long enough to make that type of comment because Obito would have been 15 years old if he fought Minato. Tobi has probably had to wait DECADES for the opportunity to extract the Kyuubi from its host.
Plothole Number 4: Kyuubi recognised Tobi (chapter 501 page 8 ). The Kyuubi actually recognises Tobi and possibly knows who he is. If THAT doesn’t convince you, nothing will. The Kyuubi made a direct transfer from being sealed into Mito to being sealed into Kushina, so there is a fundamental contradiction for the Kyuubi to recognise anyone in the outside world when it was sealed for all that time. If the Kyuubi actually recognised Tobi, it means Tobi has to be someone who was alive during Hashirama/Madara’s generation.
Plothole Number 5: Tobi is too tall (chapter 503 page 9). Tobi was shown to be adult sized when he fought Minato, chapter 503 page 5. But on page 9, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai are all shown to be much shorter as they are going through adolescence. Obito would have been around that size and is therefore too short to be Tobi.
Plothole Number 6: Minato would’ve figured it out (chapter 500-504). If Tobi was really Obito, then Minato would have figured it out when they were fighting each other. Obito was Minato’s own student and would have recognised his chakra, but he didn’t.
Plothole Number 7: This is HIS doing (chapter 560 page 2). "This is HIS doing." That means Madara knows exactly who Tobi is, but there is no way Madara could have worked with Obito because Madara had died already. We know this because by the time Nagato gets Madara's Rinnegan from Tobi, Madara is officially dead - "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death." (chapter 560 page 15). This is important because Nagato is older than Minato, and Minato is older than Obito.
Plothole Number 8: Hashirama Comparison (chapter 462 page 14). Tobi says to Naruto "I can see the first Hokage in you." To make that type of comparison Tobi must have known what Hashirama was like as a person. Problem is, Hashirama was dead before Obito was born.
Plothole Number 9: During Our Battle (chapter 512 page 9). "This is something I grew from living tissue I stole from him during our battle." Kabuto already revealed the Madara coffin so there was no reason for Tobi to keep lying. So if Tobi actually had a fight with Hashirama there is no way he could be Obito.
Plothole Number 10: Too Much Knowledge. It is impossible for Obito to know so much about the bloody history between the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan before Konoha was even established as a shinobi village. Tobi has to be someone from that generation. It is also impossible for Obito to know so much about Rikudou Sennin, his sons, the Bijuu and the Juubi.
THE BIGGEST PLOTHOLE OF THEM ALL.
Plothole Number 11: Nagato is much older than Obito.
Why is this important? Because Tobi GAVE Nagato the Rinnegan. In other words, it is impossible for Obito to have given kid Nagato the Rinnegan because Obito is much younger than Nagato.
i predict that he is izuna kagami ( and father of obito perhaps) or some random new char and if so i predict reactions similar to when amon turned out to be a new char that didin't eppear in the previous seris. if you want someone who did the bad thing that we saw ebfore the bad guy papered watch scooby doo
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